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Glenn Reynolds received an email yesterday that he termed “depressing.” Upon reading it, I agree with him.
The correspondent starts by identifying himself as a libertarian who supported George Bush until “Bush fatigue” set in recently. But what depressed Reynolds (and what should concern all of us) is how this gentleman would react to an Obama presidency:
This is surely small of me, but if Obama wins, I plan on giving him as much of a chance as the Democrats gave George Bush. I will gleefully forward every paranoid anti-Obama rumor that I see, along with YouTube footage of his verbal missteps. I will laugh and email heinous anti-Obama photoshop jobs, and maybe even learn photoshop myself to create some. I’ll buy anti-Obama books, and maybe even a “Not My President” t-shirt. I’m sure that the mainstream bookstores won’t carry them, but I’ll be on the lookout for anti-Obama calendars and stuff like that. I will not wish America harm, and if the country is hurt (economically, militarily, or diplomatically) I will truly mourn. But i will also take some solace that it occurred under Obama’s watch, and will find every reason to blame him personally and fan the flames.
Obama’s thuggish behavior thus far in this election cycle - squashing free speech, declaring any criticism of his policies to be “racist” (a word that happily carries little weight with sensible people these days), associating with the likes of Ayers, Wright, and ACORN - suggests that I won’t have to scrape for reasons to really viscerally dislike Obama and his administration. And even if he wins, his campaign’s “get out the vote fraud” activities are enough to provide people like me with a large degree of “plausible deniability” as to whether he is actually legitimately the president.
I’ve seen a President that I am generally-inclined to like get crapped on for eight years, and I’ve seen McCain and Palin (honorable people both, despite policy differences I may have with them) get crapped on through this election season. If the Democrats think that a President Obama is going to get some sort of honeymoon from the folks who didn’t vote for him, as a wise man once said: heh.
Civics 101 people; the guy who gets the most votes, wins.
You can talk about “voter fraud” and “stealing elections” all you want but the fact remains that if Obama is certified by the electoral college and the House of Representatives as President of the United States, that ends the discussion in our republic. There is no more important aspect of democracy than the minority accepting the will of the majority. The constitution gives the minority certain protections against getting steamrolled by the majority. But it doesn’t give the minority the right to torpedo the legitimacy of the winner.
This is more than a question of “fair play” or being a “sore loser.” The Constitution says we have only one president at a time. Given the importance of that office, it is stark raving lunacy to seek to destroy the man occupying it.
The fact that the Democrats and the left have acted like 2 year olds the last 8 years doesn’t mean that if Obama is elected we should throw the same infantile tantrums and look for ghosts in the machine - or accuse the opposition of foul play without a shred of physical proof, only the paranoid imaginings whipped up by people who knew exactly what they were doing - undermining the legitimacy of the elected leader of the United States government.
I can certainly understand the desire given voice by Reynolds correspondent. There would be something hugely satisfying in giving back to the left in spades what they have done to Bush and the Republicans for the last 8 years. But think about it for a minute. Our country is in a helluva fix - the worst since I’ve been alive and probably the worst since the eve of the great depression. The only comparable crisis in my lifetime is the one faced by Reagan when he came into office.
Reagan’s challenge was more a crisis of confidence than anything really systemically wrong. He restored that confidence. And he did it with the help of loyal, patriotic Democrats. Not just the 70 or so “Boll Weevils” who actually voted with Reagan on occasion in order to get his program through Congress. Speaker Tip O’Neil could have thrown a huge monkey wrench into the early efforts of Reagan to cut taxes and reduce spending. But he didn’t. To his eternal credit, O’Neil chose to fight for his principles while giving Reagan’s program a chance in Congress.
The two adversaries fought tooth and nail for every vote in the House (the GOP controlled the Senate at the time). The played hardball politics with a zest that seems to be missing in these days of obstructionism and spiteful rhetoric. In the end, despite O’Neil’s best efforts, he lost fair and square - a point he deliberately made in his televised call of congratulations to Reagan in the aftermath of the vote.
The very liberal O’Neil - as tough a political brawler as you’ll find anywhere - was also an American first and a Democrat second. He was a politician from the old school who accepted Reagan’s election as a matter of course. It never occurred to him to try and delegitimize the only president he had. The two men liked each other personally but despised each other’s politics. And yet, they were able to work together to bring America back from a deep, dark place that threatened our future.
This is how it should be. And whether Obama wins - if he wins - by one vote or millions shouldn’t matter. It doesn’t matter if you believe the reason he won was because the press was in the tank for him, or ACORN cheated, or McCain didn’t get a fair shake, or any other legitimate or illegitimate reason you can think of. At the very least, Barack Obama will deserve our acknowledgement that he is the legitimate elected president of the United States.
That doesn’t mean we have to slavishly follow him or join his cult like groupies. What it means is that where what he proposes to do is reasonable and doesn’t conflict with our principles, he should expect our support. It means that we don’t have to delegitimize his presidency to oppose him either. People of good will and good conscience can disagree without tearing each other and the country apart. And in this day and age, such an outcome would be unbearable.
An Obama election will mean changes - not all of them for the better. So be it. We will fight like hell against what we believe to be wrong. But we not do it by trying to delegitimize the elected president. Get personal, sure. Satirize and make fun of him, absolutely. Argue on the merits, most definitely.
But when push comes to shove and crisis erupts somewhere in the world involving American interests - and no president in recent memory has escaped such a challenge - I plan on backing my president’s play. I may give voice to skepticism about the path he chooses. This is our right and duty.
But I will not wish that he fail nor will I work to see that he does. The fact that I even have to mention this shows how foreign an idea this is to both the right and the left. The unbalanced hatred on the right directed against President Clinton was followed up by the even kookier and dangerous rage by the left against Bush. Perhaps its time for all of us to grow up a little and start acting like adults where the survival of our republic depends on the two sides not trying to eye-gouge their way to dominance.
This may not be self-evident to some of you younger readers but this was the America I grew up in and which existed until about 20 years ago. Politics was just as raucous a game then. There was no pussyfooting. It was a game played for keeps and played to the hilt. There was little love lost personally or professionally between the two sides.
But there was also a recognition that the will of the majority was, in the end, respected and granted legitimacy. This included recognizing that there was only one president and that even if we disagreed with him, that didn’t mean he was an impostor. The fact that the 2000 election was so close (and the results confirmed by a consortium of independent media who took the time to recount the Florida votes several different ways proving that Bush did indeed win the state) no doubt was frustrating for the losers. But the idea that after 8 years the left could never get over the results and indeed, showed a derangement toward the president even after a still close but decisive win in 2004 proves that it is up to us on the right to bring our politics back to a rough equilibrium so that we can work together in these perilous times.
I plan on doing just that - while still skewering my political opponents with as much zest and glee as I can muster.
10:37 am
While the temptation exists to “be the better man” and let oneself be stabbed in the back and kidney-punched rather than win the contest, I am done with being a doormat for liberals.
Being nice got Bush 41 a one-term presidency. Being nice got Bush 43 a reputation as a dunce and lost him most of his conservative support. Incoherent “bipartisanship” in congress lost republicans their majority.
An addict won’t change until they hit rock bottom. Liberalism won’t go away until the majority of Americans see the real results of liberalism. Being nice and letting liberals lie cheat and steal without consequence might just get Americans killed (Iran policy, for example).
Some policies SHOULD fail. Being president doesn’t mean that one is always right.
If he is (s)elected president by ACORN, Obama can expect the same treatment that Bush 43 got.
Be a doormat if you want. I choose another path.
Allow me to light that stick of dynamite you’ve got firmly clutched between your teeth before you jump over the cliff.
ed.
10:56 am
I have to agree with Rick. Somewhere during the second term of the Clinton presidency, I decided I would behave the way the GOP was behaving…hating the president of the other party. Back then, I was a down-the-line Democrat. When Bush won in 2000, I realized the only way out of the political ugliness was to realize that Bush was MY president as well. Once the Democrats starting bashing Bush the way that the Republicans bashed Clinton, I became an Independent. I don’t like Obama, but if he win, I hope, I pray that he decides to govern from the center. If he is dragged down the Pelosi pipeline, he will pay in 2012. The ugliness can only stop one person at a time.
11:01 am
Good column Rick. It never ceases to amaze me how the lemmings are so willing to jump off the cliff. I was in the military from the first year of Reagan and retired just last year. The CDS and BDS made it into the military as well but not one person I ever met suggested we should shirk our duties or question our orders.
I get particularly frustrated at those who cavalierly talk about secession or revolution if Obama wins. The left tends to paint a McCain win as some sort of continued fascist state.
You are a few years older than I but close enough that I get what you mean about how it used to be. We both can remember the moon landing, watergate, oil embargo, recessions, etc. The country came out just fine and possibly a little wiser after each administration.
Our younger folks have not really known what hard economic times really are nor do they have to worry about being drafted and sent off to war.
Hopefully they will mature and quickly.
11:12 am
This is, as usual, spot-on. We should ready ourselves to be the loyal opposition, not the cry-baby spoil-sports leftists have been for the past eight years. We should do this not because we want to give up fighting for the ideas we think are right and not because we want to make ourselves into Lite Democrats ™ to siphon off middle-of-the-road votes. No, we should do it because it’s the right thing to do and doing the right thing will, in the long run, produce better political results.
11:12 am
I’m with Hyman Roth. The responsibility for what comes next must be fixed with the perps. History is a long time, and America won’t survive in the form we’ve loved unless we continue to fight for that America…not for any party or any President. An Obama rule will be transformative…and we’ll never get America back if we allow him to succeed. I’ll fight till I have no breath.
11:15 am
So the “Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Barr” bumper sticker is out?
Damn, I was going to get one regardless of the outcome.
11:26 am
It’s not clear what the nature of the fight will have to be….only that it will have to be fought. But not with bumper stickers.
11:30 am
Rick, if you want to bring a wet noodle to a gunfight, more power to you.
Unfortunately, politics has become a bloodsport, and the times you speak of in your commentary are gone, not to return again.
When the consequences of losing are a Government that will make America worse off, then you will do whatever it takes to win.
It is interesting to me that the liberals accuse conservatives of the tactics they use routinely. The tactics of personal destruction, of undermining the Presidency of a man they detest and routinely denigrate (can I use that word now?).
So, if by employing the same tactics that liberals and the Major Media use (I repeat myself) I can slow down, or even substantially alter the agenda of the liberals, then count me in.
11:31 am
@Rick:
I loved most of this post. Resonated with part of it, if you will. I believe that after every election everyone should go visit something memorable that brings up feelings of patriotism to remove bad feelings/karma/whatever. Hell, at least just listen to Lee Greenwood a few times a day.
Other parts of your post…”cult like groupies”…?? Where did that come from? Why are his supports “groupies”? Wouldn’t McCain’s followers be considered “cult like groupies” as well?
@Hyman Roth:
Read my lips - no new taxes! Bush 41 didn’t lose his re-election because he was being a nice guy. Don’t forget that Perot took right at a fifth of the popular vote as well…not sure if that pulled any electoral votes from either of the main candidates or not but something to consider as well. Plus, he was running against Mr. Charisma himself…Bill Clinton. That man could work the stage.
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How come everyone keeps saying things such as: “cry-baby spoil-sports” “2 year olds the last 8 years” when speaking of liberals or Democrats - like they or Republicans are even better?? Hell, Obama isn’t President yet (if he will be) and I already hear the whining. Hypocrits…everyone of you. If a democrat is in office…republicans whine. If a republican is in office….democrats whine. Go figure.
@rascalfair:
So what…you gonna blow shit up? Spare us.
11:47 am
For a preview of how an Obama presidency would play out, just look at the 2006 Congresscritter elections.
Grand promises of hope/change/ethics by those on the take from Fannie-Freddie. Record to date: gas prices up $2, head in the sand on subprime till it imploded, a potentially flawed “rescue,” and a bunch of post offices named. In short, much promised, little done.
To be certain, there were many close races in 2006 and shenanigans by ACORN, but did the Right go unhinged and sue for recounts, did the Right question the legitimacy of the current Congress (maybe the efficacy, but not the legitimacy), did the prominent members of the Right threaten to move to Canada, did the Right produce “true story” movies about the prostitution ring run out of Barney Frank’s residence, . . . ?
No on all counts. Mainly because most on the Right are productive members of the economy and the realities entailed therewith force us to just do our best to work around the impediments created by the Left, making the best of a bad situation.
12:35 pm
I don’t know why some of us feel that to not act like deranged BDS and PDS liberals is the same as capitulating and being nice.
If Obama is our next president then I will give him the respect he deserves as the holder of that office. It doesn’t mean that I won’t criticize him when he does something I don’t agree with, it doesn’t mean I won’t point out his mistakes. I will be calm and reasoned and there will be no hint of anger or desperation or derangement in my arguments or conclusions. It would be a mistake for conservatives to allow themselves to fall into the same camp as the nuts on the left who’ve been howling for the last 8 years. Obama will provide opportunities for legitimate criticism and perceptive and well reasoned arguments should slap him in the face when he does - not the rantings of crazed ‘losers’.
I think that if Obama does win the election there will be as much, if not more, disappointment on the left as there will be on the right. He’s riding to the Whitehouse as the liberal savior of all that’s been wrong with our country in the past 16 years and there is no way he can deliver what’s expected of him (even if the Congress shifts further left). Of course, the left will be there to complain about how the ONE is being stymied by evil conservatives if Obama falls short of their expectations but they will feel disappointment non-the-less at the outcome and even more rage towards us.
Couldn’t have said it better myself.
ed.
12:37 pm
@JunkScience:
Did the Left write up articles of impeachment because they didn’t like Bush.
This circular firing squad is getting no one anywhere. As Hugh said, both sides are hypocrites. If you think that Republicans weren’t jerks when Clinton was President or Democrats weren’t jerks when Bush was, its because you are living in pure denial in being part of the problem.
You can fight Obama’s policies all you want, but people don’t realize that they aren’t just de-legitimizing the man but also the office. Hopefully, if Obama or McCain wins, this kind of though will be constrained to the nutter minority but it is sad that people are so willing to put their personal partisan differences before the good of the country.
12:37 pm
No dynamite in my teeth. Nice strawman argument though; sounds like something a Clintonite would say.
Since when is “telling the truth” the same thing as “jumping off a cliff with dynamite in my mouth”? I guess if I was addicted to losing and wallowing in self-pity, I might abandon all hope, roll over, bite the pillow and “think of England” while the Democrats have their way with America. The Republicans in congress have that tactic down cold.
I am not a traitor. I am not planning on trying to overthrow the elected government. Nor will I invent scandals in order to blame democrats for them. Those are things that Democrats do.
But I am not going to play nice while I am used as a doormat. It’s the golden rule: people treat you as they want to BE treated. They asked for it, they are going to get it. A microscope on every action and decision, a bullhorn for every complaint.
While I admire Rick’s principled stand, I could say the same thing about Neville Chamberlain. Nice pretty words, admirable sentiments, but reality is going to rain on your parade.
@ Hugh, WHOSE taxes did Bush 41 sign into law? Democrat-authored taxes, perhaps? Because Bush was too nice to say no.
If the sheeple want a liberal president, they are going to get one in spades. But I won’t support him.
Buck Fipartisanship.
Excuse me but what article are you talking about? Nice? ME? Are you kidding? Surely you didn’t read what I wrote. See Bald Ninja’s comment below. Those are exactly my sentiments.
There is a difference betweenfor standing up for your principles, going after your opponents - hard, and fighting tooth and nail for what you believe and rolling over as you so dramatically write. Where do you see in my article that I advocate “rolling over?”
And you accuse ME of setting up a strawman? The fact that what I was alluding to went right over your head - the idea that your way lies destruction - makes me think your reading comprehension skills need a little work.
ed.
12:41 pm
@Derrick,
Lying under oath is a crime. Doesn’t matter if you claim it’s about a personal sex matter, or if that’s just a front for the real reason (avoiding liability in a lawsuit). It is a crime. And presidents get impeached when they commit crimes.
Clinton was a liar and a crook. Accept it and move on.
1:25 pm
Whether he is president or not, does not mean we have to vocally say he actually won the election. Look at Bush, he won in every single recount, in fact gained votes in each successive recount, and how has that worked out? Not so well. So I say I fully support the letter writer and I may have some fun doing the exact smae thing. I might even hire some people in third world countries to help distribute the hate.
1:35 pm
@ Rick,
You ask: Where do I see in your article where you advocate rolling over?
My reading comprehension skills say here:
“But when push comes to shove and crisis erupts somewhere in the world involving American interests – and no president in recent memory has escaped such a challenge – I plan on backing my president’s play.”
and also here:
“But I will not wish that he fail nor will I work to see that he does.”
Those ARE your words, right?
If the president makes the wrong play, I will not support it, or him.
If the president works towards a bad goal, I will work to see that he fails in achieving it. And I certainly will not do anything that might help a lousy president get re-elected when a better alternative is available.
Blind loyalty is a bad thing.
If your words mean something other than what they say, then accept my apologies for mischaracterizing them. But, as written, they mean exactly what I said they did.
I don’t want to see t-shirts with obama’s picture and racial epithets on them any more than you do. Everyone is entitled to basic human dignity. In that respect, we both differ from the Kos Kommunists and the the MoveOutOfMyMomsBasement.org loonies.
But I won’t give support to bad ideas, or bad leadership, just because the president says so. And you seem to be saying that you will support them.
You would hope that an Obama presidency would fail in some foreign crisis? Are you nuts? Or just an un-American, un-patriotic dunce?
And yes, you have mischaracterized what I wrote - time and time again. I specifically talk about “fighting tooth and nail” for what you believe in. How in God’s name can anyone except someone who can’t read English take that to mean that I am advocating rolling over and playing dead?
I would suggest you go to a site where the poster uses words of less than three syllables. You will no doubt be more comfortable there.
ed.
1:36 pm
Nope. The reason McCain will have lost - should he lose - is because of the demonization of Bush by the Left.
Why should we play fair - and lose - while the other side plays dirty and wins? Nope, nope, nope. Do you think the other side will take that magnanomous view if Mac is elected? Sorry my friend, the gloves come off.
1:39 pm
If Obama wins in a landslide, where it is clear that all of the voter fraud did not play into the win, then I’ll begrudginly support him (where my conscience allows). But if he wins a nail-biter, through clear fraud, what you are asking is laughable. I could no more support a president that won through cheating than I could support Barry Bonds being elected to the baseball Hall of Fame.
It would be difficult enough to support (and not undermine and sabotage) a man that won legitimately, when one believes that everything Obama believes in is detrimental to the country that you love. Supporting an illegitimate president (defined as one that is elected via voter fraud) is impossible.
Why don’t you write Bud Selig a letter of support for Barry Bonds? I’m sure you’ll be joining more than a few democrats that feel like Bonds is the legitimate HR king.
1:49 pm
Seriously, people need to take a breath and calm down. If Obama wins the Presidency (last I checked, ACORN didn’t control the Electoral College), Republicans should counter a President Obama with better IDEAS. Hunh. Imagine that. Actual ideas.
Find a better candidate for 2012 that can win resoundingly. Note: a fire breathing conservative, i.e. Tancredo, does not get swing moderates.
Romney would have been good if he’d run as who he really is, a centrist Republican governor from a North East state. But he decided to put on a phony Rush Limbaugh persona, people sensed the phoniness, and he lost in the primaries.
Another good possibility is Jindal, a Catholic Republican governor of Indian descent that reflects an American with changing demographics. The guy is a great immigration success story. I think he’d make a great representative for a future focused, new generation Republican party.
1:57 pm
I think that the “dangerous rage by the left against Bush” was largely fueled by how Bush handled Republican control of both the Presidency and Congress. If Obama is elected and Democrats make large gains in Congress, we’re going to see a situation where Obama will need to quash the more extreme elements of the left and make an effort to include Republicans in the policy-making process. If he fails to do this, we’ll see another extreme swing in the pendulum and a continuation of the divisive politics we’ve seen through the Clinton and Bush years.
I’m also dubious about the Republicans’ ability to function as an effective minority. But it looks like they are conveniently rediscovering fiscal restraint, so hopefully they will bring some good ideas to the table.
2:01 pm
I agree with what Rick is saying. After the Obama election we don’t lie down and underwrite all the cuckoo ideas he and his team will be foisting on America; but neither shall we employ BDS tactics that have served only to magnify distrust of the opposing side. There is a process for un-electing Obama: it means doing our homework for the next four years and pointing out where his flawed policies have created worse problems. I expect that the fawning news media will flip flop and do our work for us when the bloom starts to drop off the rose. Of course, with a one term Obama we have the prospect of Hill-Bill being resuurected for another run in 2012!
2:03 pm
@ Jim,
“Republicans should counter a President Obama with better IDEAS. Hunh. Imagine that. Actual ideas.”
Never gonna happen. Not with the gang of wimps in congress now.
2:04 pm
I agree with Glenn Reynolds’ letter writer & Hyman Roth. We’ve been living in a state of civil war for some time anyway. Let’s acknowledge the truth that commonality is impossible and fight as the other side does: to destroy the enemy.
2:18 pm
@ Rick,
I did not comment with the intent to annoy you, or to pick a fight.
Nor do I wish to parse or nitpick what you wrote.
If my words caused you distress, I apologize for that. As a communication professional, I sometimes subject language to closer scrutiny than most people do.
We all make our choices, and then we live with them. Surely we can all agree on that.
2:26 pm
@ Dan,
This is not an Either/Or situation.
Between the polar opposite extremes of rubber-stamping Obama’s liberal policies and an Obama-flavored B.D.S., there is considerable middle ground.
Just because the Republicans in congress are clueless does not mean there is no middle ground.
2:28 pm
I must have missed all that Republican “civility” during the Clinton years. Wow, talk about revisionist history……
I guess the liberals in Hyman’s world are to blame for:
a) Rumsfeld ignoring his commanders’ own troop projections
b) for Bush declaring Mission Accomplished
c) for the conservative’s belief that corporations will self-report their crimes to the SEC and the EPA (that’s a rich one)
d) for the failure of trickle down economics
e) for the lack of WMDs
f) for scientists “making up” data on global warming and human embryonic stem cells
g) for the weird logic that allows IVF embyros to be tossed in the trash and yet not used for research.
Yeah, liberals are the illogical ones. Wonder why most of the graduate educated population are fleeing from the new Republican party? Wonder why minorities like myself that were donating to the RNC just 15 years ago are no longer with the party?
Anti-intellectualism is the scariest part of the current Republican party. Tell me when it’s OK to be a MD, PhD or JD in the Republican party and maybe we’ll come back.
PS On a tangent, it’s always interesting when Caucasian claim that racism doesn’t exist in the US anymore. Really? I’ll keep that in mind the next time my kid complains about being called a Chink or slant-eyes (because where did those kids learn that from??).
2:36 pm
Jim said (from comment #19): “last I checked, ACORN didn’t control the Electoral College”
Gee, I suppose you’re right- its not literally called the “ACORN Electoral College”. On the other hand, if Obama get 1 more vote than McCain in say, Ohio, he gets all 20 of Ohio’s electoral votes. And since ACORN has been caught, red-handed, in voter fraud across the nation, one could say that they DO control the electoral college, at least in the swing states. The AG in Ohio (a democrat, of course) sued to prevent simple oversight of the election that would have mitigated said fraud.
I submit that anybody that isn’t off-their-rocker pissed off about cheating in something as critical and fundamental TO OUR NATION as one-man-one-vote hasn’t really thought through the implications. This entire post pisses me off, as well as all the goddamn stupid comments about “getting over” losing. If our votes don’t really count, what’s the point in voting?
Maybe we just need to cheat too. As soon as an election goes our way from cheating, we’ll get the election oversight that is needed. Until then, everybody be a good boy and support your “elected” president. Rick, you’re at the front of the line. Maybe you can get his autograph as reward for you good post.
2:38 pm
Rick, I agree with your basic sentiment, but I don’t see it happening. First, if Obama wins you will not see gracious winners. Second, you will hear a continuous drumbeat of how conservatives are evil, and have been repudiated by the American people. You might wish to reach across the aisle, but many on the left don’t give a damn if you do.
The idea that partisanship ended at the water’s edge died long ago. We might argue about how that came about, and who started it, but it is a fact that it’s dead. So, personally, I don’t see any upside with even engaging with folks on the left. I know what they think of me, and it’s not good.
2:45 pm
I completely agree with the person who wrote the email. I certainly see no reason to support obama as president in any way, shape or form. Tell me what support Bush got? Give me a break. I will do to obama what his supporters did to Bush.
We have seen 8 years of “sore losers”, and I have absolutely no idea why those sore losers would expect me to treat them any better than they treated me.
This entire post is a joke, I’m not even sure what the purpose is, all it did was encourage me even more to rally against our so-called president if obama wins, just as the losers of the past elections rallied against Bush. If it wasn’t a crime for your side, why would it be a crime for ours?
Oh, that’s right, I forgot, because obama will make it a crime. Nice country you’ve made there.
2:48 pm
I think one of the key things holding the GOP as a party back is that many view them as a backwards looking group, reminiscing on lost ‘values’ of a bygone era.
A new breed of GOP needs to arise that is future-focused, looking to leaders that represent a post-Vietnam era and Baby Boomer future. Most of the new voters today in their 20’s and early 30’s, like me, have absolutely nothing invested in the old culture wars of the 1960’s and 1970’s and Vietnam. We either were in diapers or not yet a glimmer in our parent’s eye in that era.
Those battles, as far as I’m concerned are a big yawn. Who cares?
Tell me your vision of where you want to take the country in 2012-2016, and I’ll listen. Take pointers from Gingrich; I don’t always agree with him, but the guy has a brilliant mind. Many liberals even find some his proposed solutions on education and domestic and foreign policy, interesting (though he would make a horrible campaigner, he’s better as an advisor).
For now, for 2008-2012, I’ll vote for Obama, although I’m not all that thrilled with him either. I’m just curious to see what he does with four years in the White House.
2:57 pm
The bad guys can cheat and play dirty, the good guys have to follow the rules. That is why the left even exists today. Their ideas and actions would never fly in a totally fair competition.
Obama is a result of the left’s realization that they have no real obligation to be honest or act just. Basically, as soon as they realized they can say or do anything they want regardless of the truth, their rise began.
2:59 pm
I don’t want to go all mushy on you, but that was patriotic, Rick.
For myself I look forward to shifting my targets from GOP to Democrat. It feels like forever since I got to beat up o a Democratic president.
3:01 pm
Sorry, Rick. Your weak “a pox on both their houses” mention of Clinton Derangement Syndrome won’t cut it.
You paint with a broad brush, labelling the entire left as two-year-olds and crybabies who never got over the 2000 election. Well, that won’t wash. There certainly are people like that, but for me and most others those reservations vanished on September 11, 2001. President Bush had the opportunity to show that he really was a uniter, not a divider. He did not.
While the email writer talks about the attacks on Bush, he himself has “Bush fatigue”… (note: sarcasm alert) I guess since he is a conservative, he is not a crybaby, but a nuanced, complicated individual who doesn’t deserve being labelled as a two-year-old.
President Bush has earned his low approval rating- it was not thrust upon him by leftists with Bush Derangement Syndrome.
We will not doubt see that a few percent of folks with Obama Derangement Syndrome if he gets elected. They are welcome to it, and no doubt they will get attention out of proportion to their numbers.
Call me a dreamer, but I have hope that the next President will actually be a uniter, not a divider. I believe that the American people share my hope.
3:30 pm
Nice post Mr. Moran. Spoken like a true American. There’s not much I agree with you on, but certainly this qualifies. I will only say that I defended Bush to my (nearly universally) liberal friends a number of times, only to get burned a number of times when our president’s actions ended up being indefensible. So while I support Obama in this election, I don’t intend on giving him a bit of slack if I think he messes up. Our last 2 presidents have pissed us off more often then they have impressed us; I am not that hopeful that anything will be different these next 4-8 years.
3:38 pm
Last post by me (today): when Michael Reynolds starts agreeing with you, you should perhaps rethink your position. What a laugh- these Bush-haters, who have done EVERYTHING you have condemned in your post with regards to supporting a president you didn’t vote for, congratulating you on seeing the light. The hypocrisy is of galactic proportions. lionheart out.
3:51 pm
The first German democratic experiment, the Weimar Republic, failed because the power of the sensible, democratic center eroded because of the growth of the fringes on both sides. Economic downturns usually don’t help either. While I don’t see a ‘civil war’ in the making, I see a lot of happy blowhards on both sides unwilling to make democracy work. The fact that this post isn’t stating the obvious to a lot of people is worrying. For example, I remember Carter attempting the mission to free the hostages in Teheran that ultimately failed. I was very sad that day and it had nothing to do with party politics but some might argue otherwise Reagan would not be president. However, that very day I wish the mission had succeeded. Similarly, today we have a financial meltdown that probably will lift Obama into office. Again, I’m distraught about the consequences regardless of politics. Naturally, I have to wish the best to EVERY president for the sake of the country. Every side will always point to the other: Mommy, they started! Just because millions of flys eat Poop doesn’t mean I have to join in.
4:12 pm
funny man,
well said…
“While I don’t see a ‘civil war’ in the making…”
Civil war happens when the middle class is too small. Both sides need to fight as hard as they can to ensure a big fat happy placated middle class, or there will be serious trouble.
4:37 pm
The Office of the President of the United States, and the President himself, are vested with the expectations of all the people for good government. The Office and the person are vested with the nobility we have given our leaders throughout our history. This must never change, regardless of the person in the chair.
That said, a President that bends every effort to take us away from our Constitution, laws, and religion will be challenged and fought with all the power that large numbers of citizens can muster. We should honor the Office, but not a traitor to our freedoms and liberties, our ownership of private property, or ownership of our corporate property either.
WE should stand and fight the idea of socializing America wherever it arises, using all the tools we have. This is true, in particular, for a President that dishonors the Office he has been elected to, and violates the oath he has taken at his inauguration to defend the Constitution. Take one tiny step in that diection, and the full rath of the people should descend on that President.
5:32 pm
#35
I supported the war, genius. I was for an increase in forces and a change of strategy in Iraq before McCain was. (Or Rick, if I recall correctly.) Soon after the start of the surge I wrote a post titled, “Did We Just Win a War?”
Go find someone else to play the role of mindless Bush-hater. I think Bush has been a disaster. But it’s not off some grudge from 2000.
I was pretty late to that party - August of 2006 as I recall.
ed.
5:49 pm
@Derrick:
“Did the Left write up articles of impeachment because they didn’t like Bush?”
Not for lack of effort or desire. Seems impeachment was high on the discussion list for most lefty politicians, and was the topic of the day for the last 8 years in virtually every big-city daily newspaper, TV newscast and daytime or late-night talk-show.
Clinton broke the law, Bush hasn’t, get over it already!
6:02 pm
Help me out here folks. I’m trying to get the order right, is it denial, acceptance and anger or is it denial, anger and THEN acceptance. I personally think delusional should be part of that sequence, but what ever, the first 3 I listed really do describe the atmosphere coming from the way it ought to be crowd right now.it’s the empire’s new clothing line on full display. Finally it’s becoming entertaining, thanks for contributing. Good luck with your therapy.
Wow. That’s either the most obtuse comment ever left here or you are just incoherent. Which is it?
ed.
6:22 pm
Does anyone remember when the Gingrich house pushed welfare reform and NAFTA only to not play ball with Clinton in the end so that Clinton wouldn’t have a success to run his re-election campaign on? Probably not since that didn’t happen. The Dems, though, had Bush push positions where his natural allies were Dems (Immigration) and what did they do? Voted against their purported beliefs so that Bush wouldn’t be able to take credit. They short changed the public (even if the right was happy with the outcome) in their own calculations to benefit the party.
And the “unfunded” No Child Left Behind? When a program is receiving 90%+ of the funding in the bill, how is that unfunded? The Dems made this a game. Public policy is no game but that’s what the Dems have made it.
I’m on your side, Rick. I’m a right leaning independent and I will root for a President Obama as hard as I’ve rooted for Bush (note policy disagreements and hope that I am wrong and he is right). However, I don’t disagree with the majority of the folks calling for tearing down Obama. I know that attitude is impulsive, bad for the country and doesn’t even serve the cause to get more Republicans elected, as you’ve argued. But it can be argued that a non-response might be even worse for the country. If the Dems are successful electorally and there are no consequences for pro-party, anti-country behavior who believes they are just going to stop on their own?
6:49 pm
WOW!
That was a beautiful post that made me look into myself for the first time in many moons. Well done, and may I add thank you.
9:24 pm
After reading your love letter to the Kingston Trio I understand your political thinking much better.
9:28 pm
Above someone wrote:
“Why should we play fair – and lose – while the other side plays dirty and wins? Nope, nope, nope. Do you think the other side will take that magnanamous [sic] view if Mac is elected? Sorry my friend, the gloves come off.”
Thanks, you’ve just convinced me and a couple thousand other readers to vote for Obama.
* * *
If Obama becomes your president, would you mind retiring the words “spot on” and “canard” and any other words that make you think you sound like a sophisticated 18th c. British dandy? It’d be great if conservatives actually started writing like Americans.
6:47 am
Sorry, but the president is supposed to uphold the Constitution. If this clown gets in and he starts trying to ban guns and stifling free speech, his legitimacy is immediately null and void as far as I’m concerned. “When in the course of human events….”
8:28 am
I’ve no intention of rolling over and playing dead, all to serve someone’s ideas of “bipartizanship” and “civility”. That only encourages the MoveOn/Kos/ACORN crowd. That corrupt to the core empty suit from Chicago will never be my President.
8:29 am
No. If they steal the presidency, it NOT legitimate. I will NOT accept him as the president. The American way is to not accept that as being the American way. Sorry.
8:29 am
Let us not forget one rallying cry of the near past “Dissent is the highest form of Patriotism”. Wonder if that statement will be unoperative after the election.
8:31 am
We should show respect for a man who attended a racist church for twenty years.
8:33 am
I disagree completely.
If Obama wins, it will be illegitimate: it will be because he lied and the MSM covered up.
If Obama wins, vote fraud won’t be prosecuted: it will be rewarded. Heck, Obama already promised ACORN a role in his administration. So, you had better accept the fact that for an opposing party to wrest control from the left, that party will need about 60% of the REAL popular vote.
If Obama wins, you had better like socialism: you are going to get it, good and hard.
Not my president. No way.
8:34 am
Sorry, but I will be in the market for a 1.19.13 bumper sticker and a “Don’t blame me, I voted for Palin” bumper sticker immediately.
8:38 am
When Bush 41 beat Dukakis, comedienne Paula Poundstone said (in an HBO special), “Bush is not my president. Dukakis is. If Bush wants me to do something, he can call Dukakis and have Dukakis call me.”
Poundstone’s audience roared with laughter.
Well, right back at you lefties: Obama will not be my president. Palin will be. If Obama wants me to do something, he can call Palin and have Palin call me.
Still funny?
Didn’t think so.
8:39 am
TO: Rick Moran, et al.
RE: Yeah….BUT….
I do believe that it depends on whether or not the ‘votes’ are legitimate. Don’t you think….
Regards,
Chuck(le)
P.S. Way back when I suggested that with all the talk from the so-called ‘liberals’ and ‘progressives’ about how the 2000 election was ’stolen’, these people were projecting.
And based on their faulty belief, they were going to claim justification for attempting the same in 2008.
Looks like I’m correct…..
8:40 am
Obama will never be my president. He serves Marx and Alinsky, not Jefferson and Lincoln. He is un-American and anti-American. I am an American. Lock and load, baby…
8:41 am
NEVER. NEVER, NEVER.
I will not submit nor will I ever forget or forgive how the liberal leftists in the media and congress have embraced the KOS method of governing or being governed.
To that end I will fight fire with fire.
Let no man emerge alive if not victorious. Its being ‘nice’ and ‘polite’ that have presented weakness to the KOS libs today and they have used it against us.
NEVER, NEVER, NEVER.
Its time we grew a pair and fought for a change. We expect the media to be fair, AND THEY’RE NOT. The only thing we can do to regain respect is FIGHT. And fight just as dirty and more so.
8:43 am
I agree with those who are concerned that ACORN has registered over one million fraudulent “voters.” If Obama is elected by fewer than one million votes, he will not be the legally and legitimately elected President of the United States. What we will have witnessed is a bloodless coup d’etat by the far left. That will soon be apparent as the fairness doctrine is used to rape the First Amendment and silence conservative talk radio, as the Second Amendment is raped to disarm the law-abiding population, as the State Department aligns itself with the Islamists and leftists to crush the nascent Iraqi democracy, as the Administration joins the EU in condemning Israel to the dogs of terrorist war, as the tax code is used in an openly redistributionist manner to provide hand-outs and “reparations” to the loyal supporters of the regime, as “undocumented Americans” are given the right to vote in State & local elections, and as polyamorous multiple-marriages even including horses and dogs are accepted by the courts. But by the time most Americans wake up, it will be too late. Their own children will be informing on them in the name of “green” and “multicultural” imperatives. Any criticism of the Administration will be unlawful and unprotected racist hate-speech under university-style “fair speech” codes that will be adopted by the Pelosi-Reid Congress. And when hundreds of thousands of small businesses collapse, the inability of the American consumer to prop up the Chinese economy will result in massive unrest across Asia and unleash a nuclear war between China & Taiwan. Then, when the US economy does collapse into a severe depression, the Administration’s response to greater than 25% unemployment will be mandatory labor camps. See you in the goldfields, brothers.
8:48 am
Yea a guy who has lied about every sort of sordid relationship he has ever had in the past. A guy who drove one blogger to wonder if Obama had even one reasonable relationship that he could point to with pride…not of course Wright, Phleger, Kalid, Rezko, Ayers, Dorhn, and Frank Davis. A guy who started out as a Socialist and never looked back…a guy who has moved Michael Barone to declare the coming of the Thugocracy. A guy whose idea of free speech is he can say anything he wants and his opponents can listen and shut the heck up and sit down. A guy who called on his followers to get in their faces…yea this guy is YOUR President if he wins.
He is my enemy and will remain so until I successfully get him impeached or he loses in 2012.
Obama has played to win…we have played fair. The Left plays for keeps we play to feel good about ourselves in the morning. The Left plays to bury us…we play to allow them a chance NEXT time.
We beclown ourselves…the Left allows us to.
8:52 am
If Obama is elected, love of country requires that we stand in firm opposition to him at every turn. He will not reign in the excesses of the far left of his party - in fact he is further to the left than many of them. He will try to reshape our country and make it unrecognizable. Patriotism will require dissent. Not derangement and assassination fantasies as the left has indulged in for eight years - but firm opposition.
8:54 am
If Obama is elected this is no longer my country. I will disown it. I will not fight for it. Why should I? Why should I want to be in a club where I despise the majority of the members.
8:59 am
So, Rick, does that mean that no voter-fraud felonies should be prosecuted?
My answer: Like hell.
8:59 am
Rick,
I’ve printed out your post and will keep it handy. For months I have ruminated about how to be gracious if a man I believe would be horrible for the country is elected. I remind myself that I felt the same way about Nixon and ‘72 and I turned out to be wrong.
You summed up the dilemma perfectly. I’ll refer to it often if needed to try and pull myself up on the high road.
9:01 am
I have a son in the Army. He is a Captain. He is presently serving in Iraq.
If Obama is elected, I will advise my son to resign his commission immediately. I can see Obama prosecuting all military officers as war criminals. I can also see him using them as pawns in whatever games he will play.
It was a nice country. While we had it.
9:01 am
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9:01 am
Obviously, the question about this election is legitimacy. Any President that is elected through dishonest means does not deserve any support whatsoever. Please note that this is not the first election that the Democrats are brazenly trying to steal or have stolen. Remember 2000? The Democrats tried through machinations to take the election when post election recounts clearly showed that Bush won. To this day, they still propagate the lie that Bush stole the election. When any party whatsoever does not respect the vote, then all of us are reduced to serfdom. I want no part of that.
9:02 am
I will vote for McCain, and on one level I am very concerned about where Obama might lead the country, but I think that the efforts of the left to bring down President Bush have been a significant factor in the problems the nation is experiencing right now. Say what you will about being a doormat, one of the things I admire most about Senator McCain is that I know that if he loses, he will continue to work just as hard to serve the country as he will if he is elected. Like McCain, win or lose, I will put Country First.
9:03 am
The problem as I see it is that if Obama wins this election, and is handed a veto-proof majority in the Congress… he will be able to funnel huge amounts of cash to groups like ACORN and impose sanctions against those who criticize him. He will, in short, have the power to ensure that the elections in 2010 and 2012 will be rigged for the Democrats.
Combine that with the power he will have to go after critics, and a re-imposition of the “Fairness Doctrine”, and it will be very hard for an opposing viewpoint to gain any attention… and in the end, with the power to rig elections, it won’t matter anyway.
The other thing to remember is that conservatives are going to be blamed for “politics of personal destruction” and “hate” no matter what we do or how cordial we try to be. By trying to “make nice”, we will be playing into our own demise… and we’ll still be demonized anyway.
9:04 am
So… what is it? Another Cubbie failure has pushed you over the edge? Again?
Chavez’ tyranny is “legal”, so according to your newly discovered logic, I suppose you think that’s “legitimate” as well. Screw that.
Sorry Rick, but your position on this is neither compelling nor practical. And it’s even more pathetic than your pandering to the Surrendercrats on Iraq two years ago and your impotent, feigned perplexity regarding Al Gore’s Nobel last year.
First off, your basic premise is in error - or at least oversimplified to the point of nonsense. The guy who gets the most votes does NOT always win. Or does your memory only go back 6 years?
And in this particular election, that’s true in glowing spades as we watch Obama-funded ACORN operatives totally corrupting the election with no action being taken by the feds and no real questions being asked by the media. As such, this is not a valid election.
Next, an election where vital information about one candidate is suppressed via threats of DOJ action (a U.S. historical first for a sitting junior Senator, I believe) is not a valid election.
An election where unethical and libelous activities by the in-the-tank media, which actively campaigns for its candidate in direct violation of federal election law with NO action taken by the federal government to stop it or expose it, is not a valid election.
Recognizing all this and doing everything in our Constitutional power to reject an Obama “victory” - should it miraculously come to pass - and to correct it is not “acting like two year olds”. Whining about election rules and trying to change them AFTER THE FACT is a two-year-old’s tactic, and that’s what Gore and his supporters did - the ones you’re pre-emptively, but falsely, using for comparison. Your moral equivalence in suggesting this is disgusting beyond words.
Please stop blogging until you grow a pair or do those of us who still revere the Constitution a favor and kindly disassociate yourself from the Right Wing.
9:04 am
For all of my life until the past 8 years, I agreed with your sentiments and have behaved that way.
No longer. What the Democrats have done in the past 8 years is to utterly subvert the legitimacy of our two party system by delegitimizing the elected government. It works only one way with them. The only thing that will ever break them of these habits is to repay them in kind and to raise it to a new level of complete refusal to cooperate in any way, consistent with not actually breaking any law.
9:07 am
Screw this let’s be a doormat for liberal hypocrites who seem more than willing to lie, engage in voter fraud, and ride the coattails of the national media propaganda arm of the Democratic Party.
This is the final straw. If the liberals want a culture war then they’re going to get one. Exactly as you said Rick, during perilous times these seditious liberals lied about and crapped on POTUS for nearly seven freakin’ years and they’ve lied and crapped on an honorable man like John McCain and a mainstream mom like Sarah Palin.
SCREW THESE PEOPLE. I’m tired of Democrat-lite Republicans playing kissy face with Democrats working for their utter destruction, this is a winner-keeps-all political battle and the Republicans actually want to “keep things civil”! Astonishing. That’s precisely what the traditional Germans did when the German National Socialists (read: NAZIs) humiliated and then marginalized them and what socialist movements around the world do … lie, intimidate, get the media on their side, promise the moon and deliver misery.
I don’t want my grandkids and greatgrandkids asking me why I didn’t fight fire with fire and why I let about of spoilt brat socialists take this country over. If you don’t think the Donks are going to use their iron grip on both houses of Congress and the Executive Branch to advance their socialist agenda in every American institution and endeavor, then you’ve been swilling the same kool-aid they’ve been.
The liberals have declared war on us, in fact they did so decades ago, and it’s about time we start fighting back in like kind or else we’re going to condemn our posterity to another failed socialist state. I don’t think I’m being hyperbolic here, but this is no time to lie down when so many questions about this empty suit stealth candidate aren’t being investigated by the nationa media that is in the tank for the Democrats. What possible hope to we ever have in getting our message out if we resign ourselves to being marginalized by liberals in the Demoncratic Party and the liberal national media as a bunch of right-wing blogger kooks that should be ignored?
Explain to me how an unaccomplished, inexperienced, unknown candidate can rise from the bowels of the most corrupt political party machine in Chicago U.S.A., beat a mainstream Democrat (sHrillary) and be this close to the White House? There is very little legitimate about this man other than his very real, long-term relationships with American-haters like Ayers, Wright, Dohrn, et al, and corrupt “community empowerers” like ACORN?
No! Hell no! As a traditional, patriotic American, Obama will not be my president any more than Hitler would have been my Chancellor as a traditional German. I refuse to be intimidated by any socialist thug and their sycophants in a corrupt political party and a fawning media.
9:07 am
I understand the reasoning behind this comment. I wish things could be that way.
Unfortunately, this attitude amounts to giving the left the upper hand. It’s the equivalent of saying “Thank you, sir, may I have another?”
Imagine every election from here on out being essentially run by ACORN.
I, for one, am not content to see America become a leftist, third-world-type country.
9:07 am
A number of posters here have stated that if Obama is elected, that he will not be their President. Right Man at #58 has even that he will disown the USA. My question is, where will you go to if McCain looses? What country would suit your needs better than this one? At least leftists in 2004 had the plausible option of running away to Canada! I’m dying to know where disillusioned rightists will emigrate.
9:08 am
I think Rick is right. The key is continuing to wage the war of ideas. If McCain loses it won’t be because Obama cheated…even if Obama does cheat and win. It will be because conservatives have stopped fighting the war of ideas. Election time is not the time to convince people of the value of your ideas. That case needs to be made throughout the off season. One of the things that made Reagan great was that he educated people on the truth of conservatism throughout his entire presidency. Winning an election isn’t what counts, changing peoples minds is. That is why the GOP has stunk it up the last few years. It has been focused on winning elections during election time. Sort of like the “perennial campaign” of Clinton. Given the clear choice, people are basically conservative. The challenge we have through the next 4 years is to clearly, boldly, and unashamedly present the ideas behind conservatism regardless of who wins this election.
I hear all the time that average Americans are too stupid or that they’ve been poisoned by the media so all is lost for our candidate. Well, I would say that the truth has power. I believe that the conservative movement has a bigger claim to the truth than the liberals do. We (and also please God our elected leaders) need to cheerfully speak the truth and let it do it’s work.
Sure, the public school system is indoctrinating our kids every day. So what do we do? Get involved and make sure they are teaching the truth about our constitution. Truth will ultimately overcome indoctrination.
We need to smile as we discuss politics, knowing we are armed with a super weapon called the truth. If we’ll use it, we can take back this country from the leftest agenda.
9:18 am
“Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everybody. If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” says the Lord. On the contrary:
‘If your enemy is hungry, feed him;
if he is thirsty, give him something to drink.
In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head.’
Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.”
- Romans 12:17-13:2
9:18 am
I’m with Hymen Roth, but I’m willing to compromise:
If we are willing to investigate, out, and attempt to utterly destroy the career and personal lives of every pundit or media hack that refused to read sex ed bills and merely parroted Obamabot talking points, or refused to read the IL infanticide bill, or found Alaskan dumpsters and zoning variances more interesting than Barack’s PLO dinner mate Rashid Khalidi and a land deal with a convicted felon, or aided and abetted Obama’s perpetual race hustle then I can look past this fraud of a man-child who deliberately tried to bait and impugn the honor of one of this country’s most honorable and heroic men.
I would nominate Couric, Gibson, Milbank, Jonathan Alter, M. Isikoff, Joe Klein, Maureen Down, the entire masthead of the Newsweek, Time and most of the Washington Post for the gloves off, gotcha politics of personal destruction: Do compromising pictures of these individuals exist? Any Dan Rather incidents? Phoning in somebody elses work? Over-reliance on staff (Looking at you Couric, Gibson)? Behind in their tax payments? Cheating on their spouse, drugs, whatever… it’s ALL good. Let’s all agree to do the happy work of humiliating these profoundly duplicitious people who have commented from the sidelines for far too long.
If we are further willing to destroy every dem hack pol who politicized the war, slandered the troops, politicized the economy since 2002, politicized the economic crisis; then I for one we’ll feel much better watching this affirmative action boob as he scans the expanding number of new and decidedly unfriendly faces that replaced his buddies with each of the next four State of the Union addresses. I’d nominate Murtha, Frank, Dodd, Pelosi, Reid, Durbin, Schumer and Rockafeller to start. Let’s throw Emanuel and Axelrod on that bonfire too, since they’re everything they imagined Rove was. Whose for turning this intensely ugly bloodsport on the second string & chatty spectators that have escaped this attention for far too long?
Oh, and let’s make sure that we get our act together, clean up our nominating process with standardized primaries, (Thanks NY, NJ, and CT) and pick an actual conservative next time, so we actually nominate someone who can cobble together a rational economic plan on the first try and won’t shy away from throwing a punch. And can someone please give Palin a national job (senator)for the next four years so she’s ready on day one for the big show next time? She’s too valuable to squander.
9:18 am
Liberals redefined the rules of engagement. I am forced to reciprocate. Reynolds correctly observes that the reactions are depressing. But this stems from the more depressing fundamental fact that the left successfully shifted “the rules” in America from the center to the left. They’ve created new rules of engagement in their own image. That’s depressing indeed, in a deep way, but isn’t it a fact? A media boycott to bankrupt a selected MSM player seems like a good idea. I think NBC is a deserving first target. No mercy for its revenue and stock prices. Time to study Jesse Jackson and Saul Alinsky and put their lessons to work. Depressing? Is there an alternative?
9:18 am
Ja, ja mein Fuhrer.
9:20 am
I agree with Rick. Once the election is over, it’s time to attack the policies, not the man.
Personal attacks might make the attacker feel good, but they rarely lead to meaningful progress. Did personal attacks drive Clinton out of office? No, and in his case, he did in fact break the law by lying under oath. But it was about something that most people regard as a personal matter, and voters punished the Republican party for pursuing impeachment. While I don’t believe for a second that Clinton was subjected to anything like the nastiness directed against Bush, I also don’t believe that stepping up the personal attacks to a Bush level would have hurt Clinton whatsoever.
What about Bush? Even after all of the vitriol directed against him, Bush still won re-election, with coattails. 2006 was a particularly ugly election, and would have been no cakewalk in any event with the situation in Iraq at the time - but in the end, Republicans lost control of Congress because they had forgotten why they were given control in the first place.
Go back to the Clinton years. Remember Hillary’s grand plan in 1993 for the government to take over health care? It was fought, and quickly shelved by Clinton, and that was while Dems controlled every branch of government. The next year, the Republican party won control of Congress. It can happen with Obama, too, if we stay focused on fighting his attempts to remake America as a socialist utopia. Remember the Clinton DOJ’s war against banks in the mid 90’s, and their attempts to force them into making bad mortgage loans, which should have been a clear warning about where Democrats were headed with the policies that lead to the current financial crisis? No? Well, maybe that’s the sort of thing that should have gotten more attention than his liaisons in the Oval Office.
9:23 am
Nice commentary about Speaker O’Neil’s work with Pres. Reagan . . . I observed that Congress and Administration, and to paraphrase Sen. Bentsen: I knew Speaker O’Neil, I respected Speaker O’Neil, and Speaker Pelosi IS NO Speaker O’Neil. I for one will react to this election based on whether or not our State authorities properly enforce one-man, one-vote principles our nation was founded on. It’s that simple; I WILL NOT honor an administration that is inaugurated based on an overt fraud by ACORN-style tactics.
9:25 am
This “let’s be better than them” attitude is all very well in the absract but it neglects the first rule of gun fighting:
Bring a gun.
You recognize well yourself that those on the other side play by a completely different set of rules. Sadly, history teaches us that this lowers the bar for all but the lower bar is a reality we must adjust to if we are to be competitive.
“War is the remedy our enemies have chosen, and I say give them all they want….” William Tecumseh Sherman.
9:25 am
That worked out well for the millions under Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot and Mao.
9:25 am
Leftist thuggishness has subverted representative,majority rule/minority rights, government wherever it has not been opposed firmly, and actual force met with force. Where the force opposing leftist thuggishness has been government, liberty may be preserved. Where it has not, the result has been authoritarianism, of the left if the left is successful, or of the right, if the left is defeated.
If conservatives and centrists are unsuccessful in maintaining control of the levers of power, we will find ourselves in a situation not so very different from Chavez’ Venezuela. Be afraid. Be very, very afraid.
9:27 am
“Sure, the public school system is indoctrinating our kids every day. So what do we do? Get involved and make sure they are teaching the truth about our constitution. Truth will ultimately overcome indoctrination.”
Daddio,
If we are assigned to the same work camp, and if we are assigned to work somewhere we can speak without being overheard by the guards, I am sure that I will enjoy discussing the Truth and the Constitution with you.
9:29 am
Dear Rick,
“It means that we don’t have to delegitimize his presidency to oppose him either.”
Understood. However, what will be your response if, or more likely, when “President Obama” and his party decide they’re going to delegitimize YOU?
Somewhat related thought for the day:
“Most everyone expects Democrats to march in the streets–no big deal. However, when Republicans start marching in the streets that WILL be a big deal…because all bets will then be off.”
9:29 am
From Illinois Senate, Mar. 2001,Obama: “Number one, whenever we define a previable fetus as a person that is protected by the equal protection clause or the other elements in the Constitution, what we’re really saying is, in fact, that they are persons that are entitled to the kinds of protections that would be provided to a—a child, a nine-month-old—child that was delivered to term. That determination then, essentially, if it was accepted by a court, would forbid abortions to take place. I mean, it—it would essentially bar abortions, because the equal protection clause does not allow somebody to kill a child, and if this is a child, then this would be an antiabortion statute.”
If this guy is elected, he may be The President, but he won’t represent me, or be My president.
9:32 am
Reply to #69
If Obama wins, he will be the most left-leaning leader of the G8, with the possible exception of Putin. (Putin seems to have transcended the left-right continuum of late.) So, I suppose any of those countries might well offer a better choice than Obama’s America:
“If Obama is elected in November, at G7 meetings, for the first time since they began, America will have a more left-wing leader than any other member of the group - Canada, Germany, France, Italy, Japan, and Britain (and that’s before Gordon Brown loses to David Cameron). Right-of-center government throughout the western world - except Washington.
And, if you say, “Hang on, isn’t it the G8? What about Russia?”, I’m not sure whether Putin and his stooge still regard themselves as socialists, but, if so, for good or ill, it’s certainly of a more muscular variety than Obama’s….”
Mark Steyn’s Post at “the Corner” at 10/12 05:58 PM of nationalreview.com
9:33 am
If Obama used illegal donations to fund his campaign and then funneled $800,000 of those illegal donations to ACORN so they could commit widespread voter fraud in “swing states”, why should we act as if that’s ok?
9:34 am
As a long time democrat, from a long line of democrats throughout my family tree, I am heartened by your words Rick.
When I think about the past 20 years or so, I think the impeachment proceedings against President Clinton were perhaps the low point for this country’s politics. Compared to other scandals (Iran-Contra, Watergate, Torture during the war on terror, Congressional Check Fraud) a blow-job and it’s cover up were small beans. There was no reason for the flare up, but after years of stretching the truth (the hair-cut, the partisan Starr investigation that cost MILLIONS, the attempts to paint Clinton as ’slick’, etc.) Republicans just couldn’t control themselves. They decided to go nuclear on the Clintons, and even that turned out to be less than the smackdown that was promised: Clinton left office highly popular and our country had a budget surplus for the first time in decades.
The difference in all of this is that republicans decided to make a mountain out of a mole-hill. The 1994 republican takeover of congress was supposed to be a change, a Contract with America if you will, that would bring transparency and good will to a political institution succombed to petty scandals. However, Republican control of congress quickly degenerated into a lobbying charade that catered only to those who could afford to purchase influence via K-street. People like Rep. Tom Delay and his cronies turned into psychophants who only wanted things their way or no way. There was no meaningful political debate. There was major gridlock. Wages stagnated as conservatives decided to leave the minimum wage untouched for 12 years.
The irony is that the conservative movement peaked during 2002, helped no doubt by international events and a fearful American populace. The peak wasn’t all that great in terms of numbers. There was no real mandate for the sort of angry rhetoric from the right wing. If conservatives could have mustered a 90-100 seat majority, perhaps they could have played things as rough and tumble. But that just wasn’t the case. The conservative movement could have expanded their majority by toning down the culture war, but instead chose to push the case as far as possible. The Terry Schiavo episode probably represented the zenith and the beginning of the end of the 40 year conservative hegemony. At that time, we were still in a stumbling economy, overall wages (for everyone except CEOs and top management) were stagnant for 4 years and job creation was consistently lagging behind our growing population. The promises of explosive economic growth made during the push for deregulation and tax-cuts just never materialized. The push to exclude medicare from negotiating with Big Pharma prescription drugs was disastrous and has cost us billions at a time of war. There was no push for American sacrifice, something Americans have done during every major war for centuries. Indeed, complete conservative oversight of our government from 2000-2006 (with the exception of the Senate from 2000-2002, a slim Democratic majority at best) was a COMPLETE disaster.
Conservative ideas have now been proven to be less than. The ideas themselves have failed to bring the promised results. But I am sure that conservatives will NOT be able to blame themselves. They will blame a ‘liberal’ media that is controlled by mega corporations like GE, Westinghouse and Rupert Murdoch. They will blame Bush and McCain for not being ‘conservative enough,’ and of course blame people who live on the ‘elite coasts.’
Look, if the conservative ideals were so strong, why isn’t California conservative and dominated by Republicans? Why isn’t New York, home to some of our biggest financial companies and their employees dominated by a conservative majority? Why are places like Saint Louis and Chicago, right in the heart of the bible-belt midwest dominated by a conservative majority? It’s because the ideas proposed by conservatives just don’t work. And who gets the blame for conservative failures there? ‘Those people.’ Well, I hate to be the one who informs conservatives of this, but ‘those people’ are Americans, too.
Right now, we are experiencing what could be a generational change in our politics. Conservatives have pieced together a slight majority to rule this country for the past 40 years. The only exceptions were 12 years of Democratic control by ‘centrist’ democrats that were really DINO’s.
Now the Republicans have to deal with a new majority filled with true liberal progressives. Democrats haven’t been voting for liberals most of the past 20 years. Now that we are, you are seeing significant differences in policy compared to conservatives. When we trotted out ‘centrists’, there wasn’t much of a difference between them and the republicans, and that has hurt our party in many ways. I am a democrat, but I couldn’t stand Bill Clinton in 1992. He was not the sort of democrat I wanted, but by the end of his two terms he did more good than harm and earned my respect. I can’t say the same about George W. Bush and his two terms.
Barack Obama isn’t the most liberal member of the democratic coalition, but he represents MAJOR change from the Clinton/Bush status quo of the past 20 years. For that he earns my vote.
I grudgingly accepted George W. Bush as president after the horrific 2000 election. George W. Bush, in my opinion, was not Presidential material mainly because he lacked intellectual curiosity, an attribute shared by many of our best presidents over our 200+ year existence. I even supported the Iraq war, provided it was effectively pursued. It was not, and my confidence that George W. Bush could lead us during future crises to come dropped as well.
From my perspective, the end of the Bush era cannot arrive fast enough.
It is my hope that Barack Obama can continue to untangle the stigma against liberals. I’m a proud liberal hawk, and will fight anyone who calls me an appeaser. I am a liberal who owns guns. I am also a liberal that fights wars from a family that has many of it’s members in the military. I am an American.
I hope that conservatives can now act like Americans, too. It sure would be a nice change of pace from the past 8 years of conservative demagoguery.
9:37 am
While admirable in a detached, academic way, this sentiment neglect the reality of what we face.
It is 1932 all over again. A socialist cloud is about to fall over this nation that, like the one that fell in 1932, will not lift again for another fifty years. For a lot of us that means in our lifetimes.
The advice of this column is the advice given and taken by the Gerald Ford Republicans of the 1940’s 50’s, 60’s and 70’s. Go along. Know that at best you are fighting a futile rearguard action. Stand by in astonishment with your thumb in your ear when in 2040 a new Reagan emerges.
9:42 am
Yes, Rick! You express my sentiments exactly. I first noticed this delegitimizing trend during the Clinton years when some of my fellow NRA members used bumper stickers that said, “My President is Charlton Heston.” That approach was wrong then and it’s wrong now, when aimed at Bush or anyone else.
At the moment it looks as if Obama will win, not an outcome I prefer to say the least. But once he wins he’s (gritting teeth) my President.
9:43 am
Rick,
Honorable sentiments. What kind of actions, if any, by an Obama Administration could cause you to change your mind?
9:43 am
No, JD, we should work on forcing the Obama DOJ to investigate ACORN and their activities. If he does, then he’s “turned” on his own, and ACORN goes down. If he doesn’t, then he’s exposed. That’s called a win/win situation. That’s called political hardball.
However, if it’s attempted with the nastiness many Democrats have shown over the last eight years, it will just be seen as one fringe group against another, nothing will be accomplished, and the country will not be better off. That is what has to be avoided, and is what Rick is warning against.
9:45 am
I think that both Rick and the gentleman who wrote the email sent to Glenn Reynolds have missed a fundamental point. Both are operating from the same premise that American civil liberties will be relatively unchanged during an Obama presidency. But what if they are wrong, and freedom of speech is basically outlawed? Opposing the Chosen One could be dangerous under those circumstances.
The Democrat-controlled Congress has promised to re-instate the Fairness Doctrine, which is nothing more than an effort to censor conservative talk radio. Some Democrats have even talked of extending the Fairness Doctrine into the Internet. There is building pressure to put Bush and other officials in his administration on trial for “war crimes” (or “racism”). The Obama campaign has attempted to bully the FEC and stations that carry anti-Obama ads. Democrat officeholders in Missouri have promised to go after individuals and groups “who tell lies about Obama” (is this America or the Soviet Union? Did we actually lose the Cold War?). Obama, who sees racists under every bed, has urged supporters to “get into peoples’ faces”. All of these tactics will multiply exponentially after November, since Democrats will interpret the results as a blank check on power.
And who will stop them after January 20, 2009? The MSM? They invented the Chosen One and they share His goal of one-party fascism. The GOP? They are too busy whimpering in fear that Katie Couric or Charlie Gibson will not let them hang out with the cool kids anymore. The courts? You mean our fate is in the hands of folks like Anthony Kennedy? Are you scared yet? The voters? Not after ACORN works our election system over!
9:48 am
Reading some of the latest comments here, it appears that all conservatives care about is abortion. If that’s the case…conservatism will never return to prominence.
Call me a baby-killer, but I want my children to have a choice. Women shouldn’t be forced to have a child after being raped, but many conservatives believe that’s god’s will via predestination.
I gotta call bullshit when it comes to pro-life arguments. For a group of people who argue for less government intervention to say they really want intervention is just two-faced and short sighted.
I would also like to remind all those pro-life conservatives that your patron Saint, Ronald Reagan, was one of the first Governor’s to sign legislation that allowed abortion. How does that make you feel?
9:49 am
Calling someone ‘the one’, ‘the messiah’, etc. isn’t very American.
Grow up.
9:51 am
Rick, you have agreed with Bald Ninja, who said:
If Obama is our next president then I will give him the respect he deserves as the holder of that office. It doesn’t mean that I won’t criticize him when he does something I don’t agree with, it doesn’t mean I won’t point out his mistakes. I will be calm and reasoned and there will be no hint of anger or desperation or derangement in my arguments or conclusions.
I agree with all of this except for one very large thing: The idea that we must be “calm and reasoned”. I want to be sure I know what this means.
I have been sorely disappointed at our Republican media representatives in the mainstream media. I haven’t heard a passionate defense of conservative values from them for years. By “passionate” I do not mean a Bob-Dornan-like hissing rant; I do not mean grim anger. I mean a tone and style of defense/apologia that shows that the speaker CARES.
The kind of defense that will make your average American sit up and take notice. “That was interesting.” Without the passion, it’s just so much blah blah blah blah.
Assume we face what you’ve described: A far-left Democrat President and far-left control of Congress. They will have been elected (assuming minimal fraud) by a majority of our fellow Americans. We need to lay the groundwork for a return of real conservatism. This can only be done by getting out there with a passionate defense of conservatism. We need to be smart.
We can predict everything that will be happening in the next four years. We can get the word out. We can focus on video messaging. (Our leadership needs to focus on video messaging - these Bush letters to Congress and McCain letters to Congress and to the Federal Reserve just don’t cut it in this day and age. Video, video, video, please. Plan and strategize and execute. We can get our message out, despite the best efforts of the mainstream media, if we focus on it.
The Democrats will not have truth on their side. They’ll continue the smokescreen and the blaming of Republicans even as their policies begin to cause harm and then accelerate the harm. They will offer no quarter and they will be merciless. We’ll have truth on our side, and as long as we’ve argued and prepared the groundwork and gotten our message out, it will resonate. Perhaps not by 2010, but definitely by 2012.
“Calm and reasoned” may get lost in the noise of the Democrat blame machine. You’ve GOT to be passionate to show that you care. Else you’ll be likely to be dismissed. (By the way, Rick, your posts *are* already passionate in exactly the right tone! I’m more worried about those who think that a calm monotone laying out facts - devoid of passion or care - will work. It won’t.)
There is a time for “calm and reason” and then there is a time to burn down the barn.
Hope people will be able to tell the difference here if Obama is elected. So many of the commenters here are equating the simple, declarative notion that if Obama is elected and certified president that we should recognize him as such with the horrifying charge that anything he would do as president, I would simply roll over and play dead.
Long time readers of this site know there will be nothing to worry about on that score. Savaging liberals (when they deserve it) is one of our favorite pastimes here at the House. You people don’t seriously think I’d give that up if Obama was elected, do you?
ed.
9:52 am
1.3 million voters registered by ACORN. Some precincts in the nation are over 100% registration. Because of that alone I intend on opening a Cafepress that sells “Impeach Obama” bumper stickers and t-shirts.
Being nice, refusing to expose Obama for the empty suit socialist he is, is probably going to cost MCCain the election.
Being nice may cost us our country. Can we hate more than the left? YES WE CAN!!!
9:52 am
Dear Rick,
Fair enough as it goes. But what the country needs now is real leadership. I will continue to look to Obama with real scepticism while “enduring” him is our duly elected President if he is elected. One doesn’t have to be a quisling to have a point of view that he will follow his liberal instincts and possibly show a great deal of weakness as a leader on the world stage and in a crisis. Everyone refers to Ronald Reagan, in whose administration I worked, as the paradigm for how this whole thing can work. But, Reagan seized his opportunity because it resonated with all Americans. Tip O’Neil worked with him because he saw the political downside of not doing so. I can still recognize “my” president as duly elected and, as such, as “the office”, but I can still remain skeptical that he will not achieve the things I think are good for the country. Jimmy Carter was the office of the President even as he weakened our nation. I think what you are really talking about here is some active form of “disobedience” as opposed to respecting the Constitution that has successfully guided us as a rule-book for a patriotic nation.
9:53 am
revenantive,
Failing to properly worship He Whose Middle Name Must Not Be Mentioned is a good way to incur His wrath.
Get wise.
9:58 am
Mwalimu Daudi:
That’s exactly the kind of argument Democrats have used to justify their personal attacks on Bush.
If they try to bring back the Fairness Doctrine, it will be fought, and they will be punished. If they attempt to stifle speech, it will be fought, and they will be punished. If they attempt to impeach former officials, it will be fought, and the more successful they are, the more likely they will be punished.
Have some faith in our Republic. We’re not going to improve it by making it weaker.
9:59 am
In case you haven’t noticed, America in 2008 no longer resembles anything Mr. Moran read in his civics books. It hasn’t for a while now, the only difference is that those that govern no longer feel constrained by much of anything. Good luck with the honorable thing Rick.
9:59 am
Rick, it looks likely that a large part of Sen. Obama’s campaign contributions are illegal. I monitor 3 related internet groups that trade and sell stolen credit card data, there have been dozens of requests and offers for batches of fraudulent card information specifically to be used for automated contributions. One poster braggs that he’s passed the $10 million mark, with contributions of less than $25, using stolen data and a small zombie network of computers. There’s no way to verify if he’s telling the truth, but they ARE people that buy and sell large batches of swiped numbers.
If it’s clear that Obama’s electoral victory come from fraudulent votes and that that much of his money is illegal - will he STILL be your President? Hypothetically, is there any level of illegality where you won’t support him? Or is your support of the guy who’s sworn in without limit?
10:01 am
The bifurcation of the America is complete. We are a nation divided against itself and we cannot survive in this state. A choice has been laid before us and we cannot claim neutrality.
The Almighty blessed our nation for generations because we single-mindedly defended the sacred rights of life and liberty in our pursuit of happiness. Today, in contrast, we titter on the brink of the abyss as a near majority of our citizenry are willing to surrender their rights to life and liberty in their single-minded pursuit of happiness.
We are living witnesses to a cataclysmic shift in national vision. We can no longer afford to play political games. It is our generation’s turn to defend the ramparts. The barbarians are both at the gate and hidden inside the camp. May we not be judged by history as the generation that chose to surrender without a fight.
The blood in my veins cries out for liberty and life. However, without liberty there is no life. Patrick Henry clearly articulated this epiphany and his famous words set a fire in the hearts of his compatriots: “Give me Liberty, or give me Death!”
We must stand. We must pray. We must fight.
10:02 am
[...] Reynolds links Rick Moran, who posts the direction we should strive to take: if elected, we should accept an Obama [...]
10:06 am
“No, JD, we should work on forcing the Obama DOJ to investigate ACORN and their activities. If he does, then he’s “turned” on his own, and ACORN goes down. If he doesn’t, then he’s exposed. That’s called a win/win situation. That’s called political hardball.”
That’ll never happen under Obama administration. neither will any investigation in Fannie Mae. And with the media in the tank for Obama, no one will know of it outside the blogosphere. The Dems are the one playing hardball, you are just deluding yourself.
10:07 am
Amen Right Man #60. It is going to be all over. This will be the election the have nots / the do nothings / with their hands out will out-vote the ones who actually work, produce things, act responsibly. With Acorn getting more money to turn out more of these types, conservative radio gone, and amnesty resulting in millions of more democrat voters, our respect or non-respect for Obama ain’t gonna mean a damn thing. Game, set, match..we are done. Love of country….sorry, long, long gone.
10:08 am
Obama will never be my president. If, through intentional destruction of the financial system, extensive voter fraud and a massive media campaign of lies and distortion, he becomes elected I will not only never view him as the POTUS I will–in the words of the Chosen One himself–get into other’s faces about it.
10:08 am
“It’d be great if conservatives actually started writing like Americans.”
Y is tht sew gr8? Because they right like this.
10:09 am
rick - after writing the post above this one on how ACORN may steal this election for obama, will he still “be your president”?
10:09 am
I see many people that advocate showing restraint if Obama wins and playing nice with the democrats and must ask: how well has that worked out so far for our cause? The fact is that bipartisanship means different things to them and us. We might look at it as reaching a compromise and engaging the other side, but democrats view it as republicans in power doing what democrats want. They play to win. They will do anything to advance their cause. For them the end justifies the means. And to top it off they have the media in the bag.
If Obama wins I expect them to try and shut down any and all voices of opposition. Obama’s people have already proven that they do not believe in freedom of speech unless it is speech they like and approve off. And the people that are supposed to inform us of this stuff will go right along with it because it suits them just fine. The left has tax exempt organizations registering thousands of false voters in the battleground states and the media is ignoring it. And Obama is getting a huge amount of donations from anti-American foreigners that see him as the best chance for them to stick it to America and that is not told to the American people either. Compare that to the lies about Bush stealing elections and how much coverage that crap got despite it all being false and you can see what we are facing. When republicans get accused of doing wrong they get hounded. When democrats have been proven to have committed crimes, they get stature and gravitas. These people believe in and champion an agenda that will destroy this great nation. I am not going to let that happen.
I do not intend to be suffering from Obama Derangement Syndrome, but I certainly will not be playing nice with these people. We are fools to believe that if we show them respect and treat them as we would like to be treated they will reciprocate. That will never happen. They will stab us in the back the first chance we give them, and do so again for every other opportunity that comes along. The reason their guy is looking like he might win is because we followed the advice of those people that told us if we play nice they will do so too, only to have them use scorched earth tactics, no matter the damage to America and Americans in the process, to bag the big price. As someone else already mentioned: ask yourselves how the left will react and treat McCain should he win..
10:15 am
Really the best and easiest thing to do is simply stop paying attention because, in the end, it really doesn’t matter who wins.
Could Obama really be more Big Government Socialist than the prescription benefit, new bureaucracy, bank nationalizing Bush? I doubt it.
Republican voters seem to believe there is a difference between the parties but the actions of Republican politicians says otherwise.
It really doesn’t matter, especially when the Republican candidate is Ted Kennedy’s best bud.
10:18 am
Oh, and since it looks likely we’re going to get pasted, lets make sure we take down the corrupt asshats who made this possible circa 2006. Like starting with every republican who voted for the bailout.
10:20 am
[...] Moran ain’t diggin’ it: You can talk about “voter fraud” and “stealing elections” all you want but the fact [...]
10:21 am
Oh, and if you really want to get things started with the Obama hate-fest, everyone should heretofore refer to him simply as HUSSEIN.
That seems to drive the left wing nuts and is no different than them referring to Bush as Dubya, an attempt to portray Bush as some country bumpkin.
10:22 am
The presidency has been delegitimized for the past eight years. The trend is irreversible; should the miracle happen and John McCain be elected, it would continue unabated, and in all likelihood be intensified.
We of the right have to face this simple fact: the left has been at war with us for 40-plus years now, while we have not been at war with them. I only hope that an Obama victory awakens people to the realization of this ongoing, one-sided war. There must be resistance to the left. There will be no free speech with an Obama presidency and a Pelosi/Reid Congress. The First and Second Amendments will be rendered meaningless — if you haven’t seen the signs, you haven’t been paying attention. Persecution of political opponents will become the norm. It’s happening now (see Tom DeLay).
I fear for my country.
10:25 am
I am a Texan. Why should I bow to the dictates of non-Texans?
When Mexico went over to the Napoleonic dictator Santa Anna, we revolted. If America goes over to this creature of the Chicago machine and Hyde Park socialists, Texas should do it again.
10:29 am
I am 58 and a democrat, just to let you know. I saw what happened to politics in this country and it started with Rush Limbaugh. But rightwing extremism has existed since the 1960s. I was an office flunky for the St. Louis Globe Democrat in 1970 and I opened the mail. I read many a letter that could now appear on any of the most extreme sites of the right. At that time the left was also extreme. I met Abby Hoffman once and he was a fairly sleazy guy who thought he was right about everything. To me it is this absolute need to be right, hooked up to a person’s ego, that creates the people who now dominate the discourse. This is truly sad. I am mainly on the left, but support the 2nd amendment and feel I am fiscally conservative, though I believe there is a need for regulation. I once worked at the Chicago Mercantile Exchange and have seen the greed and stupidity that can come into a free market. Meanwhile I have many gay friends in committed relationships and know many people who work in the anti-sexual violence movement, so my social politics are different than what prevails on the right. I have voted for republicans in my life. In Illinois we used to have many middle of the road republicans. I voted for Obama over Allen Keyes. Frankly, that was easy. If I were a libertarian I would probably vote for Bob Barr. People in themiddle are sick of this warfare you folks keep talking about. IF this really is warfare, then why don’t you get your guns out and declare civil war. I’ve lived with Bush, and spoken out about his policies that I think are un-american (torture, call it what it is), and I have done what I have done. Just don’t tell lies, or mis-state things for your political purpose. That is what is really wrong. The idea of destroying the other side. That has to stop. We all want a strong opposition in our land. That was what was wrong in the Bush years. The democrats were way too weak to balance things. How do you make the Republican party strong again? Give up Rove and tell the truth and move more to the center. Yeah, I know. You don’t want to give up your principles. What a sad place America has become. It really did used to be a better place for the average person. Well, more polite, anyway..
10:32 am
Words matter.
When Obama takes the Oath of Office, if he is elected, he had better listen to what he is saying to the Chief Justice. It is an oath and a contract with me and people like me.
If, during his tenure, he and his party make further assaults on the Constitution (the Democrat left won’t be able to restrain itself, I assure you), then I plan on holding that man personally responsible for betrayal of that oath and his office.
He will be no better than Jimmy Carter, but he has the potential to become an American Robert Mugabe. That will definitely put him into High Crimes and Misdemeanors territory, and of course, a fillibuster proof Democrat Senate would do its duty.
The Constitution may not be a suicide pact, but attempts to illegally subvert it in the political process may very well be. Even if it is “for the children”.
10:33 am
It has nothing to do with Barack Hussein Obama’s legitimacy, or obvious lack thereof.
He is wrong on every single issue of the day, in the face of clear documented historical evidence, and so represents a threat to the Republic.
It is our duty to expose the truth the MainStreamMedia ignores and fight Barack Hussein Obama with our every being.
10:33 am
Let’s be civilized members of a democracy. Let’s not act like Democrats. There can (and should) be resistance, but that does not require a descent into name calling, specious rumor circulation (which is counterproductive since it delegitimizes true fact-based arguments), or ‘by any means’ politics.
10:38 am
It is sad but true you can’t use the left’s rules to fight them. They own the media. You can’t use it against them. They lie and cheat. You try to tell the truth and they shout you down and cover with a lie. If one side believes that the ends justify the means and has POWER, nothing the other side does will matter.
Maybe I am wrong about Obama. I pray that I am but my reason tells me what he is.
We may be about to witness a Democrat Perfect Stom.
A President that even the Left hasn’t a clue about.
Democrats in complete filabuster proof control of the Senate.
Democrats in complete control of the House.
Soon (with more leftist judges) in complete control of the courts.
The economy in the dumps and going farther. Blamed on the Republicans and Captialism.
It is NOT a question of “What will they do?” but “What can’t they do?”.
The Left doesn’t believe in the Constitution.
It is a matter of time and how hard they push. If they were smart it would be very slow. But they are not smart, they will want it NOW. They will push HARD and FAST, stomping on anyone who gets in their way.
God I hope I am wrong but reasn tells me I am right.
The elections of 2010 will be the test.
If the Democrats fail that test, what will you do?
10:40 am
“51RJGatorEsq.” is correct.
Obambi will never be my president, and I will do anything I can do make whatever years he is in the White House (4 or
as miserable and unproductive as I can, and to make him look foolish personally whenever I can. Turning the other cheek is for martyrs. Bush spent most of his years in office in what I assume was intended to be high-minded silence, turning the other cheek as his administration was assaulted from without and undermined from within, letting the vicious left fill the vacuum. It’s not just that he wouldn’t defend himself: by extension, he was refusing to defend the people who voted for him and even, in my view, the country. That is just moronic. No way.
10:41 am
TO: Tim
RE: If This Be War…..
It could come to that. It all depends.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[A little rebellion now and then is a good thing. - Thomas Jefferson]
P.S. After 27 years in the infantry, I think I’m capable. And I certainly have an obligation to uphold the Constitution of the United States….against ALL enemies….foreign AND domestic.
P.P.S. And, interestingly enough, the oath of office that an officer in the United States Armed Forces takes does not include a requirement to “….obey the President of the United States and the officers appointed over….” him.
An interesting omission, that. Don’t you think?
10:42 am
name one nice thing the left has ever done
or said about bush…
oh yeah- 4 three weeks after 9/11 he was da’ bomb- the people seen his speech/at 9 11 site and at the cathedral-
bush has been brilliant about the war on terror/history will judge/
ther was a VOTE in congress-resolution # [ha-sorry -don't know # but only 6 peeps voted against it]-they gave the prez the authority to do it= and then they undermined him every baby step of the way!-politics used to “stop at tha waters edge”
not anymore- they have thrown the gauntlet down- I accepnever forgive-
yeah-try to be nice-=nicey- not with me
I’ll never 4give the reprobates
the repubs had it/house-senate-prez-and they f#kd up-too much spending/bush not communicating-I’m truly disappointed but-I will never 4 give the dems 4 their betrayal of my country
so be it/ thanks 4 the post
10:43 am
I am with Rick on this one. I will give every Obama every opportunity to be my American President. I also completely agree with that many Republicans did not give Clinton much of chance. And it should be pointed out that this is not unusual for American politics. See the recent book called - “A Magnificent Catastrophe: The Tumultuous Election of 1800, America’s First Presidential Campaign ” - http://www.amazon.com/Magnificent-Catastrophe-Tumultuous-Election-Presidential/dp/0743293169
The root of the recent mess is the Gerrymandering that has gone from art to science in the last 30 years. To larger extent the parties are picking the voters and not the other way around.
I will find it sad that Obama could be elected on voted fraud, but so could McCain. Many democrats, lefties, what not believe Bush stole Florida in 2001 and Ohio in 2004. While I don’t believe that, I don’t want to go through another election and presidential term of that being the case. To a certain extent Republicans deserve to lose this election, so many principles of the party (Pork, Spending, Medicare, Tariffs, regulation etc). However that does mean that the democrats deserve to win (Pork, Subprime disaster, basically rooting for terrorists, head in the sand on entitlements).
10:45 am
I dont see why you’d feel hat way if youre a libertarian. Im libertarin on most issues and for me theres things I like and dislike about both parties, both candidates.
At least with Obama you get liberal policies on social issues/civil liberties (abortion rights, separation of church/state,….), and the religious right loses. Thats something for libertarians to be glad for.
Id only feel like he does if a socially conservative, fiscally liberal candidate won.
10:46 am
If my interpretation of Rick’s words is incorrect, why are so many other commenters interpreting them exactly the same way?
Because most people, surprisingly, interpret what they read to match their preconcieved notions. People interpret my advocating accepting Obama as president the same way as if I said “bend over and accept whatever the Democrats and liberals want to give you.”
ed.
10:53 am
We are in for a deluge of nutter Liberal policies. This is the change that they believed in. That agenda must be fought with the utmost vigor.
I second the sentiment that we must respect the democratic process and the results that it records. However, the corruption of that process brought about by ACORN has to be stopped.
As for civility to the other side, all I have to say is: Chimpy McHalliburton and Sarah Palin Is A C%#t. I believe in comity.
10:53 am
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10:54 am
Fool. Your high road doesn’t go anywhere.
10:57 am
“Tell me when it’s OK to be a MD, PhD or JD in the Republican party and maybe we’ll come back.”
Another highly-educated person has his feelings hurt because EVERYONE is allowed to vote - not just people with fancy academic backgrounds. Ain’t Democracy a bitch, though?
11:06 am
Reventative,
No sane libertarian would argue that people have the right to kill each other.
If fetus = child, then abortion is murder. That part isn’t complicated, and the pro-life stance is neither authoritarian or libertarian.
The complicated part (at least in today’s society) is the question of whether fetus = child.
For me, it’s not complicated. Is the fetus human? Yes. Is it alive? Well, can something with a beating heart be dead? No, so yes it is alive. Therefore it should be against the law to kill it, however it came into existence.
Or is it your contention that there’s another option besides being alive or being dead? Of course that’s your contention. Never mind that it doesnt make sense. The important part is not clouding the woman’s head with guilt over her undeniably selfish choice.
Rape is a tragedy. The proper response to that tragedy is not to use a vacuum to rip apart a baby with a beating heart and throw it into a trash can.
I know that such talk alienates people, and that’s unfortunate. I believe a fetus is a child, therefore I can’t pretend that abortion is ok, no matter what the circumstance.
11:07 am
#72
A number of posters here have stated that if Obama is elected, that he will not be their President. Right Man at #58 has even that he will disown the USA. My question is, where will you go to if McCain looses? What country would suit your needs better than this one? At least leftists in 2004 had the plausible option of running away to Canada! I’m dying to know where disillusioned rightists will emigrate.
+++++++++
Time to go John Galt on the US. Do whatever it takes to reduce my taxable income and not contribute to the thievery that is going to take place in the name of “fairness”.
http://drhelen.blogspot.com/2008/10/going-john-galt.html
John Galt “Mini-speech”
One of the most significant passages from Atlas Shrugged is a 60-70 page speech by John Galt. In the novel, Galt interrupts a presidential address to explain why he has called for a strike of all the great industrial minds of the world.
The speech was written as a single continuous quote that goes on for hours. While it’s central to the plot of Ayn Rand’s book, the Galt speech is also a complex philosophical proof which actually took her years to write. It’s easily the most difficult part of the book to read.
This is a digest of John Galt’s speech, compiled to under a thousand words. It’s excerpted from a screenplay of Atlas Shrugged, adapted by Daryl J. Sroufe in the early 1980s. Reprinted here with his permission:
For twelve years you’ve been asking “Who is John Galt?” This is John Galt speaking. I’m the man who’s taken away your victims and thus destroyed your world. You’ve heard it said that this is an age of moral crisis and that Man’s sins are destroying the world. But your chief virtue has been sacrifice, and you’ve demanded more sacrifices at every disaster. You’ve sacrificed justice to mercy and happiness to duty. So why should you be afraid of the world around you?
Your world is only the product of your sacrifices. While you were dragging the men who made your happiness possible to your sacrificial altars, I beat you to it. I reached them first and told them about the game you were playing and where it would take them. I explained the consequences of your ‘brother-love’ morality, which they had been too innocently generous to understand. You won’t find them now, when you need them more than ever.
We’re on strike against your creed of unearned rewards and unrewarded duties. If you want to know how I made them quit, I told them exactly what I’m telling you tonight. I taught them the morality of Reason — that it was right to pursue one’s own happiness as one’s principal goal in life. I don’t consider the pleasure of others my goal in life, nor do I consider my pleasure the goal of anyone else’s life.
I am a trader. I earn what I get in trade for what I produce. I ask for nothing more or nothing less than what I earn. That is justice. I don’t force anyone to trade with me; I only trade for mutual benefit. Force is the great evil that has no place in a rational world. One may never force another human to act against his/her judgment. If you deny a man’s right to Reason, you must also deny your right to your own judgment. Yet you have allowed your world to be run by means of force, by men who claim that fear and joy are equal incentives, but that fear and force are more practical.
You’ve allowed such men to occupy positions of power in your world by preaching that all men are evil from the moment they’re born. When men believe this, they see nothing wrong in acting in any way they please. The name of this absurdity is ‘original sin’. That’s impossible. That which is outside the possibility of choice is also outside the province of morality. To call sin that which is outside man’s choice is a mockery of justice. To say that men are born with a free will but with a tendency toward evil is ridiculous. If the tendency is one of choice, it doesn’t come at birth. If it is not a tendency of choice, then man’s will is not free.
And then there’s your ‘brother-love’ morality. Why is it moral to serve others, but not yourself? If enjoyment is a value, why is it moral when experienced by others, but not by you? Why is it immoral to produce something of value and keep it for yourself, when it is moral for others who haven’t earned it to accept it? If it’s virtuous to give, isn’t it then selfish to take?
Your acceptance of the code of selflessness has made you fear the man who has a dollar less than you because it makes you feel that that dollar is rightfully his. You hate the man with a dollar more than you because the dollar he’s keeping is rightfully yours. Your code has made it impossible to know when to give and when to grab.
You know that you can’t give away everything and starve yourself. You’ve forced yourselves to live with undeserved, irrational guilt. Is it ever proper to help another man? No, if he demands it as his right or as a duty that you owe him. Yes, if it’s your own free choice based on your judgment of the value of that person and his struggle. This country wasn’t built by men who sought handouts. In its brilliant youth, this country showed the rest of the world what greatness was possible to Man and what happiness is possible on Earth.
Then it began apologizing for its greatness and began giving away its wealth, feeling guilty for having produced more than its neighbors. Twelve years ago, I saw what was wrong with the world and where the battle for Life had to be fought. I saw that the enemy was an inverted morality and that my acceptance of that morality was its only power. I was the first of the men who refused to give up the pursuit of his own happiness in order to serve others.
To those of you who retain some remnant of dignity and the will to live your lives for yourselves, you have the chance to make the same choice. Examine your values and understand that you must choose one side or the other. Any compromise between good and evil only hurts the good and helps the evil.
If you’ve understood what I’ve said, stop supporting your destroyers. Don’t accept their philosophy. Your destroyers hold you by means of your endurance, your generosity, your innocence, and your love. Don’t exhaust yourself to help build the kind of world that you see around you now. In the name of the best within you, don’t sacrifice the world to those who will take away your happiness for it.
The world will change when you are ready to pronounce this oath:
“I swear by my Life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for the sake of mine.”
11:09 am
It’s fraud in the inducement with the MSM as co-conspirators. Any president under those circumstances deserves the same consideration as any common criminal in a courtroom.
11:22 am
“George W. Bush, in my opinion, was not Presidential material mainly because he lacked intellectual curiosity…”
Jesus, what is it with you people? He lacked intellectual curiosity, his critical-thinking skills weren’t absolutely top-drawer, he wasn’t post-modern enough?
I am not anti-intellectual - except when intellectuals start crowing about their own credentials, flaunting their sense of entitlement, and insisting that the rest of their fellow citizens STFU let them get on with running the country.
We can debate the merits and performance of conservatism on factual grounds - this commenter makes a good case the conservative policies have been less than successful. However, the belief that a more “intellectual” president or series of presidents would have been more successful is not supported by history.
Go read “The Best and the Brightest.” Which might be subtitled “How Some Really Smart Democrats F**ked Up the Country.”
11:22 am
I thought the same way… “If elected, Obama will be my President, too”
Well, that was before this vast, insane voter fraud across the country (especially swing states) courtesy of ACORN. If it’s close, and comes down to a few counties in Ohio and Florida (like 2000) Obama will NOT be a legitimate President. If he wins by over 1,000,000 votes I can probably accept that he was legitimately elected.
11:26 am
Good post, Rick. It’s unfortunate that even such a gracious concession attracts scum from the left - but you expected that.
11:28 am
Sorry Rick, you’re just like John McCain, and that means you lose. I ain’t buying it, and I ain’t playing your game.
11:30 am
I wonder where the limits are to the phrase “if he iselected, he will be my President”? Would it extend to a fairness doctrine that regulates the content of the airwaves and the blogoshpere? Would it extend to a tax policy that rewards success of the entrepreneur with taking his profits to “spread the wealth”? Would it extend to Obama’s promise to unilaterally disarm by stopping the development of advanced weapons systems, by drawing down our nuclear stores, by sitting down with tyrants without preconditions? Would it extend to the take over of industry in the name of financial security? There are many examples of Obama’s minios acting to restrict free speech, will “hate speech” become the next tool to suppress dissent of a Obama administration? How about limits of the 2nd Amendment? Obama has a solid history of opposing private gun ownership while in the Illinois legislature.
I look at the past 6 months in wonder. Trillions taken from the taxpayer, used to take over the banking and real estate sectors, billions more to become the nation’s largest insurance company and shore up the auto industry. And I say to my self, “my God, overnight we’ve become a socialist country!”
The real question to ask is, how far towards a Marxist/communist state do we march before it becomes necessary to defend the Constitution? The US Government is in the process of shredding the founding father’s basic tenants. How long do we let this continue? Jefferson believed that, from time to time, the people would need to replace their rulers by force. Should we continue down this road, I suspect we may well face that choice again. Obama moves us much farther down that road. A time is coming, given our current path, when people will again be asked to choose their government in a manner different than ballot box.
I suspect this post will put me in the nutter category. So be it. Answer me this though, if we continue down this socialist path, what type of country will we be when your granddaughter’s granddaughter votes for the first time? Will there be a choice to make or will there simply be the “State Party” with their singular candidate? Look how far left we have slid since the beginning of the “Great Society”. Trillions and trillions and trillions spent to abolish poverty and all we have done is create a society dependent upon government largess. Is that what we really want?? For a nanny government to tell us what we can and can’t have, to make sure they “spread the wealth”? When you can have a sitting Congresswoman in a hearing look at the oil companies and tell them that the government will simply take over their businesses because prices are too high, (and yes, I know Waters is a nutter) you just have to have a hair or two stand on the back of your neck. With such a slide in only 45 years, what will another 100 bring? When is enough, enough? When do patriots stand and say “not another inch!”???
11:59 am
Sad to say that the lowest common denominator drives the debate. IF the right is honorable and reasonable, while the left is NOT, then we have an inexorable march left.
God bless the implacable extremists of the right, who counter-balance the deranged extremists of the left. That’s the only way to negotiate with what remains of the non-insane left: “So what? You have to deal with your far side, but we have to deal with ours. The only way to handle this is…” and so forth.
12:03 pm
“Unfortunately, politics has become a bloodsport, and the times you speak of in your commentary are gone, not to return again.”
A quick perusal of American history will show that these times NEVER EXISTED.
The acquiescence of the Country Club Republicans to Democratic majorities in Congress, and Democrat-driven agendas, from Kennedy through Carter, has little or nothing to do with the history of American democracy in the larger view. That was about incumbents protecting their jobs, and was probably a worse example of the flaws of American politics than the “ugliness” is.
Have we become such wimps that we can’t handle some “ugliness”? Seems like Sarah Palin can. Whatever her faults, if the remaining 99% of the GOP had her balls, the Democrats wouldn’t have a chance.
I’m not suggesting we become Daily Kos. However, one can fight, and fight hard, without becoming immature.
To me, that’s the priority: be the grownups in the room. That DOES NOT mean letting ourselves be trampled on in order to avoid “ugliness.” Codependence is not maturity.
Fight the good fight. Don’t worry if someone doesn’t like it. Don’t be the Veruca Salts of politics, but if it gets “ugly”, so be it.
12:09 pm
There is no more important aspect of democracy than the minority accepting the will of the majority. The constitution gives the minority certain protections against getting steamrolled by the majority.
This position is only tenable when the majority recognize that the minority has a right to exist.
We’ll see if this is the case, but recent precedents don’t bode well.
Also, as I’m sure you recognize, the US is a democratic constitutional republic, not a democracy. There is no such thing as ‘the will of the majority’. The fact that an individual is elected president does not make them a proxy for the ‘will of the people’ or any such thing.
I’ll recognize whomever is elected as the President of the United States, but any further commitment will be based on their performance and the behavior of their administration.
12:13 pm
TO: Rick Moran
RE: Famous Last Words
It’ll be kind of hard to do that from behind bars, compadre.
If these people were attempting to get the prosecutors in Missouri to silence anyone who said anything bad about The One on television there, what do you think they’ll attempt if they have the Congress and the Oval Office? Not to forget the FBI, BATF and the military at their beck and call.
How will you ’skewer’ them if they cut off your internet access? Or come to your house and seize your computer as evidence in an investigation of your seditious intentions?
At what point is it worthy of actually fighting?
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Talk is cheap.....]
12:14 pm
Sensitive liberal and long time Democrat revenantive is going to be so surprised when Obama’s thugs roll right over him.
12:22 pm
Well, yes. If Hussein is elected, that is exactly how I’d want to feel, what with all his (and his anti-American supporters) deception, dishonesty and more dishonesty. But, beware!
One sure thing about leftists; they don’t tolerate dissent. Now matter how deserved, any display of Bush Derangement Syndrome directed at Hussein or his fat assed wife will get a swift heavy hand in response.
Eventually (and it won’t take long), most privately owned/operated media will be replaced by a federal agency (”to insure fairness and no hate speech”).
The funny thing will be the start. Some one will differ with Hussein on some obscure issue, an issue that most will not care about or understand and Hussein or his brown shirts will respond violently.
So, say/do what you want but, the folks who designed and used BDS so effectively are not going to allow those tactics against our Dear Leader.
12:23 pm
There is nothing more important in our Republic than accepting any fraud perpetrated on us. It is our solemn duty as citizens.
12:25 pm
“It is sad but true you can’t use the left’s rules to fight them. They own the media.”
Exactly. Bitch all you want, but if Barry is elected, it will NEVER be picked up and legitimized by the MSM like every two-bit crackpot charge against Bush has been over the past eight years.
12:27 pm
Um, so what if there IS hard physical proof of massive, vote fraud? How massive does it have to be? Obama is not even the legitimate Democratic candidate and everyone knows it. Everyone knows Team Obama used thuggery and fraud to steal the caucus states. We are supposed to shrug and look the other way from outright fascism in our elections? You are out to lunch, Rick. You advocate a surrender in the face of tyranny and cooperation in policies that we know… KNOW FOR A FACT will damage the nation. Whether or not it is irreparable is the only question. On that I am optimistic but no, even if he were some dream of anti-statism we cannot allow elections to be taken by street criminals who threaten little old ladies. Too much? Check the YouTubes on the caucuses. This is serious.
12:31 pm
Meh. Registration fraud and actual voting fraud are not one and the same. I think you guys are conflating the two. Remember, people have to actually identify themselves when they show up to vote.
I just think that Obama has run a smarter campaign. Geez, if even a third of all the college kids that are for him vote, he’ll win a landslide. The Obama campaign has even placed “billboard” ads in video games to appeal to young male voters. Let’s see a Republican try something innovative like that. Not saying that they can’t, but a McCain campaign would have never thought of it.
I remember back during the 2000 Republican primary race when John McCain would hold rallies at college campuses, accompanied with rock bands, free giveaways, etc. They even had kegs pumping out free beer. What ever happened to THAT John McCain?
12:40 pm
If he’s elected, Obama will damn well not be my President. He and his campaign and his supporters have already made it abundantly clear that I’m not desired as a citizen of the America they want and intend to create should they claw their way into power.
I’ve been told that I am part of a “downright mean” society; that I am bitter and cling to religion, that I’m a racist and a bigot, that I’m crazy and stupid and ignorant, that I’m a warmonger whose only purpose and enjoyment in life is “mudrering brown people,” that I listen to and read the “wrong” information sources, that “my soul is broken,” and on and on and on.
They have been crystal clear with regard to their contempt for the first amendment, and their desire to silence political opponents using any means necessary. They have been crystal clear with regard to their intentions to subvert the democratic process, and to openly and mockingly violate the very campaign “reform” laws they once championed. They have been crystal clear about their intention to disenfranchise American citizens who oppose them, while at the same time enfranchising non-citizens, felons, the entirely non-existent and the dead to boost their own vote totals.
These are not people that can be reasoned with, or compromised with. They have nothing but contempt and hatred for us, and they are proud of it. Look at the words of Obama, and his wife, and of the people who surround him, and who mentored him and shaped his career and his worldview. Look at the words of his more rabid supporters, both online and in real life. They make no secret of their hatred, or their intentions.
12:40 pm
I want someone to explain to me how these invalid voter registrations equals imminent fraudulent votes in the election? I mean, you can’t vote without providing the proper identification. How exactly is it that you think ACORN, or the people that registered more than once, are going to utilize those extra registrations? How are these invalid registrations going to give Obama the presidency?
I, for one, was very disappointed when Bush was elected. Yet, I still gave him the benefit of the doubt, which he sqandered. Somehow it is forgotten how much democrats got behind Bush after 9/11 which many on the right used for personal and political gain years afterwards.
As for the poster that said something to the effect of, “Clinton broke the law, Bush didn’t. Get over it.” I think that is a crock of sh*t. I think that Bush and his advisors were just much more clever in their lies and breaking the law. They knew damn well that their intel was faulty. They wanted the war with Iraq so bad they shaped everything to fit the perception that we needed to invade Iraq.
12:44 pm
Simply put, if Obama wins he is not my President. He will never be my President. He is an ugly character built wholecloth by the most evil force in America today, the mainstream media. I do not worship/follow/pay homage to the MSM creations.
12:46 pm
[...] Right Wing Nut House » IF ELECTED, OBAMA WILL BE MY PRESIDENT You can talk about “voter fraud” and “stealing elections” all you want but the fact remains that if Obama is certified by the electoral college and the House of Representatives as President of the United States, that ends the discussion in our republic. There is no more important aspect of democracy than the minority accepting the will of the majority. The constitution gives the minority certain protections against getting steamrolled by the majority. But it doesn’t give the minority the right to torpedo the legitimacy of the winner. [...]
12:47 pm
to poster #150:
I think the rabid far left hates the rabid far right, vice versa. You can pretend that your party is above it, but that is wishful thinking. Bush had so many chances to walk towards the center, but the far right cried out loudly every time he even hinted at it. If Obama goes too far to the left, I will oppose him wherever I disagree with him. I think a middle ground has to be found somewhere.
12:51 pm
You, Sir, are a fool.
You don’t know how much it pains me to say so. But staying silent is worse. It would be a disgrace and a disaster if Barack Hussein Obama, a radical and socialist, were elected as leader of the Free World, particulary at a time of economic turmoil and wars with Islamic fascism in the Middle East.
The Left does not fight nicely. Playing according to gentleman’s rules while your opponent has opened the Gates of Hell is not noble. It’s plain stupid. Given the stakes, it’s also profoundly immoral.
We can still win this election, and we should. But even if we do, it speaks volumes that we are so close to losing. Please reconsider your position. And fight with all you have if this thing should go south.
You sir, are an ignoramus. I really wish you and most of the other commenters on this post would read what I wrote. Is it that hard? Should have used words with only three syllables or less?
ed.
12:52 pm
TO: Iex, et al.
RE: How?
It’s really quite simple.
First you register people-who-don’t-exist to vote.
Then you send for a mail-in ballot.
Then you fill out the mail-in ballot and send it to your county recorder for the election.
Nobody has to show any positive photo ID of any sort to any official.
The county recorder’s staff looks at the ballot to see if it matches the name on their roll of registered voters. If there’s a match, they put the ballot into the machine to be tallied.
They MIGHT do a signature check on the envelope that contained the ballot, but in many places that’s too time consuming and they might not go through the trouble. Especially if their system for showing registered voters signatures isn’t working very well….which I believe happened here last election.
The first step in the process is to get people-who-don’t-exist on the registered voter rolls. All the rest is just about as easy.
Hope the helps….
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.]
12:53 pm
“I mean, you can’t vote without providing the proper identification.”
I don’t know what state you’re in, but in most states, this is simply not the case.
Here in California, you just walk in, tell them your name, and vote.
12:53 pm
@ Jim,
“I just think that Obama has run a smarter campaign.”
Smart Campaigning 101
Don’t hang around with unrepentant terrorists (Ayers, Dohrn)
1) Work hard and achieve something to demonstrate your competence (Edit the Harvard Law Review but never publish a single article)
2) Have principles and vote them (160 “Present” votes)
3) Be open about your record (where are the Harvard & Columbia transcripts? the Annenberg Challenge documents? College thesis?)
4) Don’t take illegal campaign donations (Good Will, Doodad Pro)
5) Don’t spend $800,000 to subsidize vote fraud (Acorn)
6) Don’t hang around with racists (Rev. Wright)
7) Don’t hang around with religious kooks (Rev. Pfleger)
9) Don’t take a pedophile as your mentor (Frank Marshall)
12:53 pm
For me the answer is, it depends: If Obama wins by a landslide, then yes, he’ll be my president. If he wins a squeaker - considering all of the voter fraud the left has engaged in (and if you think this is anything new, you’re ignorant in the extreme) - then no, he will not be my president. Nor will he legitimately be anyone else’s president, for that matter.
If anything good comes out of this election, I hope it’s that more people have awoken to the fact that the left has become utterly immoral. From the MSM to ACORN, they are all completely corrupt liars who have no conscience and cannot experience shame or embarrassment. The left has become unmitigatedly evil.
12:54 pm
“People of good will and good conscience can disagree without tearing each other and the country apart.”
I can’t find many such people on the left. The Dems are perfectly content to tear apart the country as long as they get more power out of it. To hell with them.
12:59 pm
There is nothing on the obama platform that I will be supporting. I will follow the lead established by the dem/media party and thenceforth refer to our “elected” officials as mr. or ms. As for supporting obama during an attack similar to 9/11….no problem….that will be passed over to the un to handle….and I will not be supporting them either.
Sorry, there is nothing even recognizable as American policy in zero’s arena.
1:06 pm
“thenceforth refer to our “elected” officials as mr. or ms.”
Or simply refer to Obama as “Obama”, even when he’s clearly acting as President, acting as Congress decides. Make sure to use language that implies that he’s acting entirely on his own, representing nobody.
I can’t count the number of times I’ve seen “Bush” used that way.
1:10 pm
One more thing…
The Left has been doing what they can to tear others and the country apart.
Now they want their guy in office. However, they want him there in order to gain more power in their efforts to tear others and the country apart. They want, for example, the “fairness doctrine.”
There’s no evidence that I’ve seen that would indicate that these efforts of the Left would subside, just because suddenly they have a BETTER shot at accomplishing their goals. Why would they?
1:13 pm
The rule of law is the principal dividing line between our great nation and those of petty tyrants and anarchists. To claim that an official is elected in an illegal manner, without substnatial proof, only scorns the very fabric which binds our people together.
If Obama wins, he will be my President. And I will support him in causes that I agree and oppose him, legitimately, in areas where we disagree. I have a congressman with whom I vehemently disagree, but he is my congressman and thus will I respect the rule of law and campaign to change my condition, under the law.
1:32 pm
America is bigger than the presidency. It is more important than just one man and his ambitions to socialize our economy even more than it already is. I will oppose a President Obama when he seeks to socialize our health care system, I will oppose him when he tries to raise taxes, or re-instate the Fairness Doctrine or nominate judges that make Ruth Bader-Ginsburg look like Clarence Thomas. I will oppose him with my voice, mind, money and power when he tries to wreck this country by turning over our sovereignty to the United Nations. I will oppose him when he tries to ban guns have the taxpayers pay for abortion on demand. I will oppose him when he surrenders to the terrorists that are trying to kill you and me.
Conservatives need to oppose this dangerous man and his dangerous plans. He may be legitimate under the constitution, but he wouldn’t be the president of all Americans and he’s made that clear. He wouldn’t represent me. I’m not an elitist snob. I don’t go to a racist anti-American church or pal around with anti-American terrorists and communists. I don’t hate this country and the president of the United States shouldn’t either. I don’t want or need higher taxes, socialized medicine, or activist judges who wipe out democracy and take power from the people. HE DOES.
He is dangerous and a fraud. Conservatives need to oppose him and his ideas and link them together so that others will see the light. We shouldn’t fight liberalism with one hand tied behind our backs. We need to fight with vigor and use all the tools at our disposal. If that means making this manboy a laughingstock, then so fucking be it. If anyone deserves it, it’s Obama.
1:33 pm
Face it, McCain = Dole:
An old, big government, Washington insider who got the nod because “it was his turn.”
How can Republicans possibly expect to win when even registered Republicans don’t like the guy? Before he was the nominee, he was the Republican politician every Republican loved to hate.
I voted twice for Bush and see what a mistake it was. I’m going back to Libertarian or nothing; you guys are pretenders.
1:42 pm
I’d like to respond to the person who glibly quoted the Bible about “obeying government”. The founding fathers had some interesting views about their own place in engaging in a revolution against what was then considered their governmental sovereign, that of King George.
The American founders understood the whole drift of the Bible, as it touches upon the terrestrial sphere of human governance, is governments are only legitimate “ministers of God” when they “bear the sword against evildoers” and cause no fear in its good citizens. Read all of Romans 13.
Now the liberals will whine that in their view “Bu$Hitler” was/is a tyrant and that “fact” caused fear in them blah, blah, blah … therefore, he wasn’t legitimate. I say Bullhockey! The only fear they had was fearing their own ginned up fear. In reality liberals manufactured a hate and a climate of fear for Bush way out of proportion to the threat he or any other government agency that he may leaned upon to carry out his constitutional duty to keep this country safe and secure from threats domestic and abroad. Actually, what liberals really feared was the display of power against evildoers who made threats and attacked this country and thus their own conscience began troubling them, particularly given their involvement with seditious lies in hopes of delegitimizing the war on terror and President Bush himself. I’d be fearful too if government was carrying out its proper function of preserving society under the Constitution and I found myself opposing it! Right?
I think mainstream conservatives and libertarians - looking back on the Reno/Clinton hamhanded attack on the Branch Davidian compound in Waco as just one example - have very concrete historical reasons to believe that liberal fascism is a growing threat and a cause for fear, particularly when we look at how liberals have justified their PC thought-police dogmas in the past and most recently the “Obama truth squads” which were galvanizing an effort in Missouri with Democratic law enforcement authorities to go after campaign speeches (read: any pro-McCain/Palin advertisement) which they deemed were “lying” about Obama.
In effect, a government which causes its most mainstream citizenry to fear its rule is, by the Bible’s account (Romans 13) illegitimate since governmental ministers of God do not cause fear in good people - at least in theory, that is. BTW, what constitutes the “mainstream citizenry” is not to be confused with extremist leftist moonbats and Obamatons who had envisioned all kinds of black helicopter conspriacy theories while they themselves remained inexplicably free of Bush’s purported secret re-education camps. Heh!
So that’s how the American founders justified its opposition to King George and justified their litany of complaints which were clearly rendered in the body of the Declaration of Independence. Read them again yourselves, such high-handed legalisms engaged in by the Crown did cause wholesale fear among the American colonists, though about of a 1/3 of the colonists did prove to be die-hard loyalists despite the legal intimidations and depradations.
Even Thomas Jefferson noted there may come a time in America when the blood of patriots and tyrants would be mixed, possibly a time to “dissolve the bounds which bind us”. But those times will be dictated by just how radical a “change” Pelosi/Reid/Obama will openly engage in in order to make this nation over into their image.
It is sobering, but when faced with a secular liberal/humanist socialism which threatens the very constitutional foundations of our country, we are under no moral allegiance to such a perverted system that works like a cancer on the very character of this nation, if indeed it is even possible for us to establish a new republic under the old Constitution through political and legal means.
The fact of the matter is this, strip away all the nice-sounding political rhetoric engaged in by the American left and we’re left with their subconsciously rabid socialism which will unceasingly attempt to pervert every institution of freedom which historically defined this nation. The grand irony is the party which has in the past howled its purported support for First Amendment rights will show an easy willingness to subvert it if it means shutting up their political adversaries (us). And the only question about the Second Amendment is, will it meet its demise before or after the First Amendment.
Yes, we must fight them in the political and rhetorical trenches and on the information front, too, but as long as the lamestream media continues to perform the function of an Amerika Pravda, it becomes necessary that every American must be made aware of and has access to alternative news sources like that which is found in the conservative blogosphere. But given the Demoncrats’ very public push to subvert the Fairness Doctrine by bending it to their own need to shut down unfettered opposition speech, the conservative blogosphere is also endanger of extinction under the rising tide of PC codes and liberal fascism.
And the most vexing prediction I make is this: Despite the ideological hellhole this new Amerika may become under an Obama administration, we may find a clear majority of Americans who are quite content with living in their new velvet gulag. Fatted cattle are often like that.
1:43 pm
I am excited to vote for Barack Obama for president.
More exciting is making right-wing racists all over the country go crazy. Obama Derangement Syndrome will cause more heart attacks in rednecks; that is a good thing.
1:50 pm
Explain this to me. If Obama “wins” an election by cheating, how can anyone then say he is the legitimate president?
1:50 pm
Also, Rick, I feel the conservative blogosphere has not done enough to dispel the notion that Obama can win only by cheating.
He is the more popular candidate by every single tracking poll out there, so it is disingenuous to make the claim that he somehow will steal the election.
Furthermore, exit polling can be a good way to see if there is mass voting fraud or not, because such exit polls are conducted with real live people at random across a wide demographic range.
The neoconservatives need to put this election-stealing meme to rest; they are beginning to sound like the shrill fringes of my party.
1:52 pm
and these are the human beings you want us to respect? Ones that wish harm on others simply because it furthers their agenda?
1:53 pm
TO: Citizen Deux
RE: Indeed
But what do you do with those who do not abide by that philosophy? ACORN for example. Mickey Mouse is registered to vote in Florida! And on an ACORN-stamped voter registration form?
If you haven’t noticed, there’s proof aplenty. And it’s the ACORN crowd and their ilk that are tearing at the ‘very fabric’ of our democratic-republic. But then again, I suspect you HAVE noticed, but you don’t give a damn.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Prevaricator, n., a liar in the larval state.]
1:55 pm
Go ahead and consider him your president; but, ask yourself what he will consider you.
Given the company he has kept and keeps……
1:56 pm
more of the RINO go along to get along mentality. its served us so well all these years…enjoy your new socialist pardise comrade!!
1:56 pm
katablog.com,
Are you sure you want to be self-identifying with racist rednecks?
2:03 pm
I despise Barack Obama to the very core of my being.
I despise him because of these FACTS:
a) he is vehemently Anti-American
b) he is anti-White
c) he is a Racist
d) he is a Marxist/Socialist
e) he means to implement a far-Lefist Anti-American agenda on this country, and he will be aided and abetted by: Soros, ACORN, the Hollywood Crowd, the Mainstream Media, and all the other Anti-American groups and cliques out there.
f) he is fraud, and empty suit, and an unmmitigated liar about his intentions, his past, his upbringing, etc.
Those are all, indisputable Facts!
And 45% of this freaking country has lost their idiotic minds, and will vote for him.
That said, WHEN he is elected, he is President of the United States; as a former Marine, who swore to Uphold and Defend the Constitution of the United States; I personally wore the Uniform of this great country, and offered my blood to uphold it’s values….and that includes electing Barack Obama as Presdent.
I don’t like what is going to happen, but that will be the way it is, and I will respect our institutions, and our ideals, and just keep my fingers crossed that we can survive 4 (hopefully) years of the most Radical, Anti-American, Leftist person to ever get near the Oval Office.
I will not advocate, or even imply, anything untoward Barack Obama, but I don’t have to like him being President, and I can always wish that we could do way, way better.
We’re too good of a country, to elect a Barack Obama into our highest and most sacred office; but I will acknowledge the will of the people, and pray that we do better next time.
That’s all I can do.
2:03 pm
Isn’t it the people who promote electoral cheating who delegitimize their candidate?
If they cheat to put them selves in a position to pass laws, then I don’t need to follow laws. No law, and how long do you think the thugs would last?
2:06 pm
Are you kidding me??!! You’re going to follow as `your president’ a crook? Have you been following all this fraud stuff! A guy who makes a mockery out of you and your system and you’re going to `follow’ him?
Crazy.
I already have ODS (obama derrangement syndrom), and I am as ashamed of this country as michelle is proud.
2:08 pm
Are you sure you want to be self-identifying with racist rednecks?
———————-
Thank you, for proving my point.
2:12 pm
TO: All
RE: Samir
It has been my experience, in nigh on 58 years of observation, that the first one to throw the ‘racism’ card is the REAL racist.
So. Identify the ‘racist’ here. Three guesses. First two don’t count.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Racial prejudice is a pigment of the imagination.]
2:13 pm
Bill Clinton was my president. As was Jimmy Carter, Bush 41, Nixon, Reagan, Ford, and Dubya.
Hell will freeze before Barack Obama will ever be my president. And since Global Warming is going to kill us all, I don’t see it happening.
2:15 pm
What a peculiar essay. Mr. Moran implies there is a moral equivalence between conservatives and the Left.
The fundamentals of socialism are based on falsehood. Mr. Obama’s campaign has displayed this time and again: from his campaign’s financing and voter registration, to his “tax refund for 95% of Americans” to his closeted antipathy to American foundations of liberty. Socialism does not work for those subjected to its stifling of freedom.
I respect the office of the Presidency, but do not feel compelled to acquiesce on ethics and principles. However, I can oppose a possible attack on our freedom with civility and facts, something the Left is incapable of.
2:24 pm
Barack Hussein Obama is by his own words and deeds an authoritarian Socialist. He has unleashed thugs on those who oppose him. He has unleashed computer criminals to hack into private accounts and of late to raid credit cards [check your statements for unauthorized contributions to the Obama campaign]. His campaign has conspired to conceal hundreds of millions of dollars in illegal foreign contributions. And he and his party have abetted and protected the largest vote fraud scam in history [ACORN's millions of fake registrations]. Then there is the matter of his possible lack of qualification to serve as President under the Constitution [Civil Action No. 08-cv-04083 US District Court, Eastern District of Penn.]. A “President” installed by non-Constitutional means is not the legitimate President of the United States. A government serving such a president only has the same legitimacy as that of the Vichy government of France 1940-45. Legitimacy would only be restored when a government is installed by Constitutional means.
One historical constant: when authoritarian Socialists gain power, either by electoral or other means; they do not allow subsequent free elections where they can lose. Having stolen one, why take the risk? It has been said that our country is in the midst of what has been called a “cold civil war”. I fear that we are about to face a choice of either abandoning the Constitution or having the temperature rise.
2:26 pm
Very magnanimous of you, Rick.
Nope, no way, no how.
I plan on agitating, as Mr. Gately suggests. I live near the liberal cesspool that is Flagstaff, AZ. I will wear shirts with the most provocative themes I can come up with, such as “Obama - socialist babykiller” or “Obama owes his office to Acorn”.
Any perceived misstep is to be treasured and shared as far and wide as possible.
I also subscribe to Dr. Helen’s views, ala “John Galt”, though I am not high on the economic ladder.
I hope the economy continues into the crapper, and he is unable to implement much of his socialist bullshit due to tremendous opposition.
I want to see headlines and news about people and states screaming he is a mistake.
The left needs to be shown to completely a failed ideology.
2:29 pm
I agree with Glenn’s emailer. I doubt I’ll be so overt, but my husband and I won’t watch, listen to, read about or otherwise recognize Obama as president. I will probably read blogs and will try to listen to Rush but will avoid any and all contact possible. I think many others will all but drop out of the culture and society to preserve their sanity. This is what we plan to do. If an underground swell of subversion forms, we’ll be active in it.
Just the thought of the incredible demoralization of our military under this dangerous phony is enough to make us want to cringe. The damage that will be done is incalculable.
It is ever more obvious that ACORN and all their allies pulling the strings behind this do-nothing socialist charmer want nothing less than the destruction of America. I am dead serious about this. Let us pray this does not happen.
2:36 pm
[...] those lines, I want to echo Rick Moran at Right Wing Nuthouse. The Constitution says we have only one president at a time. Given the importance of that office, [...]
2:48 pm
…it doesn’t give the minority the right to torpedo the legitimacy of the winner.
Yer talkin’ to the wrong audience, Booby Hatch - go have a chat with the dingalings who, to this day will try to read you chapter and verse about how the Eeevil Bush-Rove Vote-Fraud Conspiracy stole the 2000 and 2004 elections, and how G.W.Bush isn’t really the legitimate POTUS, and hasn’t been for eight years.
Let us know how that turns out for ya…
(From the above)…the idea that after 8 years the left could never get over the results and indeed, showed a derangement toward the president even after a still close but decisive win in 2004 proves that it is up to us on the right to bring our politics back to a rough equilibrium…
Bzzzt!! Wrong conclusion - all it “proves” is that, so far as the left is concerned, it ain’t over ’till they get their preferred result…
(He goes on)…so that we can work together in these perilous times.
Lots of luck with that one, too, Booby - if there’d been any real interest in “working together” on the part of the Demonrat Left anytime in the past several decades, these would quite possibly be considerably less “perilous times” - what is it that makes you think, now that they’re about to get what they’ve been working so hard for (basically, control of everything) that they’re going to have even a passing interest in “working together” with you or anyone else? And exactly why is it that you think any declaration on your part (or by anyone else the left sees as being on the other side) of “elected legitimacy” or lack thereof of The Chosen One means diddley-shit to them?
Your declaration of “elective legitimacy” plus twenty bucks will get you a crappy cuppa joe and a day-old cruller at Starbucks, as long as you stand in line and don’t tip too heavy.
I would have deleted this but I think it instructive as to the celebration of ignorance that you and other commenters on this post gleefully take part. Party on, dude.
ed.
2:49 pm
Also, this continued use of the term “racist” is going to wear out it’s usefulness to these epithet bomb-throwers.
The public will realize that the constant use of the term cannot apply to all is used to describe.
About time.
2:49 pm
As far as I’m concerned, liberals prolonged the Iraq war because of their Bush Derangement Syndrome, and did irreparable damage to this country. The media was and is on the same page, screaming to the world how much we are to be hated.
The Palin Derangement Syndrome is almost worse, because they hit her children on DAY ONE.
No, I will not support BO one little iota.
Unless it directly hurts this country, the gloves are freaking OFF. As another poster said, every little decision, every little act, every little “mispoken” word will bring down the acid and will be amplified by those of us who have been trampled on for 8 years. WE HAVE HAD ENOUGH.
2:50 pm
While I admire your equanimity, I differ with your ‘go along, get along’ philosophy. Contrarianism for its own sake is always foolish, but fang-and-claw resistance to wrongdoing is the only recourse to men and women of principle. I didn’t like the Clinton impeachment process, not because I support the right of libertines to oral gratification in the Oval Office by women not their wives, but because of the hypocrisy of the men driving the effort–Newt Gingrich, especially. That said, Clinton lied under oath, so bringing it up as an example of hysterical Republican malice didn’t further your argument. For my part, I say conservatives have been entirely too nice for entirely too long. I say take it as low and as dirty as we can go within the bounds of the law–until, of course, hate speech laws and Internet-based variations of the Fairness Doctrine are enacted during a presumptive Obama Administration, and they almost certainly will be. So much for zest and zeal. Imagine it as a short leash.
2:52 pm
[...] Rick Moran has it right. You can talk about “voter fraud” and “stealing elections” all you want but the fact [...]
3:01 pm
If Obama wins fairly, then we can accept him as President in title with the respect that office deserves. However, we do not have to freely accept Obama’s policies and I would expect most conservatives to strongly challenge every step, Law and appointments made by a Liberal President and Congress. This is also defined by our Democracy.
3:06 pm
@ John,
“I voted twice for Bush and see what a mistake it was. I’m going back to Libertarian or nothing; you guys are pretenders.”
I am not happy with McCain or his record. But compared to the 0bamessiah, McCain is vastly preferable. A full colostomy bag would be a better president than 0bama.
A vote for anyone other than McCain is a defacto vote for 0bama. Ross Perot cost Bush 41 his second term. Nader kept Gore from winning.
Remember that. Don’t cut off your nose to spite your face.
3:16 pm
No sir.
With all that is going on in ACORN, undeniable fraud, there is no way I will just sit down and let the Left steamroll this election through their chicanery.
With all due respect, Mr. Moran… I see your argument, but you are wrong.
If there was cheating involved, Obama is not legitimate
3:20 pm
Dag, a lot of you are beating around the bush with your long-winded rants. Just face it: you don’t want a black president who rejects Wall Street values in favor of the working man.
3:26 pm
Bravo #68! Very well said.
Rick,
I never realized you were so fond of Koolaid. Glug, glug, glug!
3:27 pm
TO: smith
RE: Say What?
Show me one running for the presidency. There are NONE in the current field of candidates. Or is Keyes or Sowell running?
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Fib, n., a lie that hasn't cut its teeth yet.]
3:32 pm
” ..if Obama is certified by the electoral college and the House of Representatives as President of the United States, that ends the discussion in our republic.”
HAHA!!
In yer dreams chucklehead.
I am laughing so hard I can barely type this.
3:41 pm
smith at 195 up there claims those who speak out against Obama and the possibility of an Obama presidency are racists. We must be, according to him and all of his like-minded pals. News, moonbat: race has nothing to do with any of this. Obama is the most left-liberal candidate we’ve endured since Henry Wallace. Criticism of your savior would be coming at him from our end of the spectrum no matter the color of his skin. And just to clarify something here: historically, members of your party are the ones who have lynched, chained, beaten, raped, and owned black people. Members of my party have been those who have opposed your more barbaric impulses. The Democratic Party knows how to pander, but little of principles.
3:41 pm
[...] are forced to confront the very possible eventuality of a Obama administration, this article by Rick Moran (via Instapundit) helped frame my thoughts on how I would act if it became [...]
3:49 pm
If Obama wins handily (e.g. 300-plus electoral votes) , I will accept it. If he wins narrowly in a election fraught with seemingly credible allegations of fraud, I will accept it if McCain challenges the results and loses in the courts. If McCain has a fit of bi-partisan post-election piety and simply throws in the towel without fighting, all bets are off. Nothing in the Constitution obliges me to roll over for political criminals.
3:51 pm
Troy Riser,
The Republican Party and Democratic Party switched roles after the civil rights struggle after Southerners abandoned the Democrats for what they perceived as selling out to black people, desegregation, and diversity.
Don’t even go there by claiming the Republicans are friendly to minorities. You’re not.
Riiiiiiight. And those Democrats sure is friendly to them black folk, eh?
40 years of government programs that increased the dependency of blacks, making them virtual slaves.
40 years of government programs that resulted in black teen pregnancy going through the roof (80% of all black pregnancies are out of wedlock).
40 years of government programs that have smashed the black family resulting in divorce rates in the black community going through the stratosphere.
40 years of government programs in Democratic run cities that have resulted in the worst school systems in the history of the industrialized world, turning out an estimated 70% of students who are functionally illiterate after 12 years.
40 years of government programs that have sapped the will of the black community to do anything for themselves except blame whites for their predicament.
Yes there is racism in this country. But to ignore 40 years of Democratic party initiatives, Democratic party agitation, Democratic party support for programs that have resulted in imprisoning 50% of black men, making them turn to a life of crime because Democratic mayors destroyed the tax base by raising taxes prohibitively on business and driving them out of the cities thus stupidly making good jobs scarce - and you have the unmitigated gall to think that Democrats are the “friends” of blacks?
Idiot.
ed.
3:54 pm
@ smith,
“Dag, a lot of you are beating around the bush with your long-winded rants. Just face it: you don’t want a black president who rejects Wall Street values in favor of the working man.”
100% false.
If Harold Ford Jr. ran, I could support him if he won. He is a democrat, but he isn’t a moron. He also isn’t a socialist. And he has a record of accomplishments upon which he can be judged.
3:55 pm
Seth,
If you think Obama is somehow stealing the election, wouldn’t that mean McCain is leading in the tracking polls?
Haha, the logic of neoconservatives is frighteningly nonexistent.
That explains why we are in Iraq.
4:00 pm
Rick Moran wrote @155:
“You sir, are an ignoramus. I really wish you and most of the other commenters on this post would read what I wrote. Is it that hard? Should have used words with only three syllables or less?”
Well, I did read your post - and commented on it. Please explain why I was wrong. It seems to me you wish to play the game according to rules that went out the window -by your own words- at least twenty years ago. The opposition, far more damaging in character than twenty years ago, does not play by those rules. How are you not a fool?
4:01 pm
I agree with Rick and Mark. I’m a centrist, and I consider myself both a Republican and a Democrat. After seeing the way that Bush has been treated, I would have to say that we should have the class and dignity to show Obama the respect he deserves as president. It amazes me how many people I hear excoriate Bush like he’s the Third Reich leader of the 21st century or the equivalent of Goober Lindsey. It’s not right. I was raised to respect others, regardless of their political standing. I just don’t appreciate the hatred directed at both Obama, McCain, and Bush. The issues are what should be talked about. As Rick said, there’s nothing wrong with caricatures, satire, and the like, but it stops there.
4:02 pm
The fact that the Democrats and the left have acted like 2 year olds the last 8 years doesn’t mean that if Obama is elected we should throw the same infantile tantrums and look for ghosts in the machine – or accuse the opposition of foul play without a shred of physical proof, only the paranoid imaginings whipped up by people who knew exactly what they were doing – undermining the legitimacy of the elected leader of the United States government.
No.
The Democrats are the party of vote fraud. They are the party of ACORN, they are the party that opposes requiring photo ID to vote. Until they stop being the party of vote fraud, no Democrat’s election is legitimate.
As for the rest, payback’s a bitch. Yes, it’s a race to the bottom. Yes, taht’s too bad.
But letting them do it, without paying a price, is worse.
4:06 pm
Well … when the Democrats hold a sham court for George Bush for his “war crimes” committed during the eight years he kept us safe from terror …
I hope you enjoy YOUR President Obama.
I won’t be. The fact of the matter is, we’re in a cultural war here in America between those who believe in the free democracy our founding fathers passed on to us and those who HATE this country and would see it destroyed (either by force or by turning it into a socialist soviet state). In that war … if you think you can win against those guys using gentlemanly and civil discourse when they own the media and the political machine. You’re sadly going to be disappointed.
4:08 pm
TO: All
RE: ’smith’
We’re talking SERIOUS prejudice here. And I mean on SMITH’S part.
smith is obviously more prejudiced than the kids I went to middle school—then known as junior high—with in Louisiana in the mid-1960s, where, because I didn’t think about blacks the way they did I was automatically ‘evil’.
He’s probably about as ’smart’ as they were, too.
TO: ’smith’
RE: For Myself….
….as a co-chair of my precinct in the county Republican Party, I was born and raised in the military. I then went on to a career therein, albeit in a branch different from my Father’s.
My attitude about skin color is on a par with a famous First Sergeant’s response to the installation Grand Inquistion, a.k.a., the Annual General Inspection, when the Equal Employment Opportunity inquisitor asked HIM about ‘race’. His response was….
And he, as we understand it was a very big, black, senior NCO.
Hope that helps….but….as I’ve exprienced in the past with your ilk……….
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[The one who throws the race card first, is more than likely the REAL racist. -- CBPelto]
4:09 pm
I can’t say I agree with every word; but overall, good post, Rick!
It’s sad, though, and telling, that so many of your readers equate reasonable with “liberal” or “weak.” Here we have grown-ups shrilly bitching (hmmm, like “2 year olds”?) that ‘the liberals got to do this, so we get to do that‘. Maybe you people want some cheese with your whine? Weren’t you ever told you have to act like an adult to be treated like one?
I personally thought that, outcome aside, Bush v. Gore was fought on the wrong merits. Imagine: a Democrat actually fighting a case on the basis of “state’s rights” rather than “voter’s rights”! Unbelievable.
But either way, love him or hate him (and to be completely honest, with me it’s more of the latter than the former), George W. Bush was, and is, my President. And whoever wins this time around - McCain or Obama - will also be my President, with myself playing the part of the loyal gadfly.
I hope there are plenty more reasonable (note: not to say non-partisan) folks out there willing to do the same.
4:09 pm
Capitulation of this magnitude makes no sense to me. It isn’t that a political foe wins, it is that there is a sense of legitimacy given to the fraud. ACORN, the media, the asshat universities, the incredible shrinking level of common sense and of course the entitlement groups who drive most of the above.
They lie, cheat, and destroy our country and our people. You can sit back and accept it. That is certainly within your perview.
I will never accept it as a legitimate and normal thing when my rights are trampled by liars and cheaters. I will wait for the next election and we will just have to see what that will bring.
He will most certainly not be my president. He will be the man who sits in the office, and he will get the same respect from me that he has given me.
None.
If you believe this causes me no unhappiness or unimaginable sadness, you would be wrong.
4:10 pm
Sir:
Your first statement is 100% wrong:
“Civics 101 people; the guy who gets the most votes, wins.”
Our election system is by electoral votes, not popular votes. The registration in these large cities may be an advantage for ACORN, but I really don’t see that occuring, as these people (Democrats) are usually pretty stupid to begin with. They think that they are sly and crafty, but anyone watching these fools realizes that they are stupid.
Now with ACORN, if it is proven that the election was stolen through fraudulent voting, not even the US government can withstand the wrath of the people. The revolt by the massess, the bloodshed, the carnage will dwarf any military operation on such a tremendous scale.
Call me foolish to say this, but read what is in many of the blogs and comments fields presented by the people who read the material.
It would be a bad stage for the US if this were the case, but it would be a good lesson to the world that when the freest nation on the planet is forced to go backwards in the individual liberties guaranteed under the Constitution, even the dictators and despots will have a very clear understanding of what to expect when dealing with this country and what the price of freedom is.
4:11 pm
smith, just how recently do you want to drive through this stretch of historical highway, anyway? Republicans pushed through the Civil Rights Act in 1964–against a sizeable and formidable Democratic Party resistance. Republicans walk the walk. Democrats talk. And talk.
4:13 pm
smith, Obama’s “stealing the election” doesn’t necessarily require that McCain have been ahead. If the polls narrow in the next few weeks, fraud becomes a potentially meaningful factor. Btw, why do you assume that my dislike of Obama makes me a neoconservative? I have no cult-like faith in the ultimate triumph of world-wide democracy. I obviously don’t even think it’s a sure thing in the United States.
4:13 pm
You can love this socialist pig all you like, he’ll never be MY president. If the democratic, free, capitalist America I love dies, then I’ll not support the result and will do everything I can do to spite any success of the socialists, which will include shutting my business doors and removing every dime I have from the economy.
4:13 pm
TO: All
RE: Further Observations on ’smith’
I think he’s projecting on that last bit.
And on the first item, I’m wondering what color of crayola he’s smoking today.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Drugs, the key to the door in the cell of identity. It leads to the jailyard.]
4:17 pm
The problem decribed above is not with the American people as a whole, it is, for the most part with the rabid internet partisans. Most people do still disagree without dishounouring one another. And no side has a monopoly on fringe elements who would rip apart the world, if they don’t get thier way. Almost all liberals and almost all conservatives, still give thanks for the founders’ vision.
4:17 pm
Since I recall all Republican Presidents have been viciously attacked by left wing demo-rats. I think conservatives main concern is the lost of liberties and the redistribution of wealth that an Obama’s Presidency with both houses will undertake. I don’t hate people no matter what they believe or what ethnic group they belong to that’s the way I was raised by my family. My family knows about hate, most of them were killed in Germany.
For the most part conservative in my experience are more respectful of others point of view. I have no doubts most of us will no denigrate the presidency of Obama like liberals did with GW. But make no mistake about liberals will try to take over the country in ways we have never seen before in this country. Their main goal will be to shut off their opposition and became the permanent majority that’s their goal.
4:25 pm
The “blame the victim” of racism mentality I find by Republicans is disturbing.
Do you guys honestly believe *I* am the one being racist here?
Face it, the GOP is hostile to black people. Look how many black Republican congressmen there are, and look how many blacks vote for GOP. Blacks distrust Republicans, and for good reason.
4:27 pm
TO: All
RE: Savas and a Serious Lack of Experience
There’s an item up on Drudge about two guys who got into a fight in a diner over this business.
Then there is my own experience where some people at various convivial social occasions have turned rather vicious at learning (1) I was a christian, (2) I was in the military and/or (3) I held a particular socio-political view that was diametrically opposed to their own.
Mind you now, I never raise my voice nor alluded to their parentage as being ‘questionable’, let alone calling them 57 varieties of MoFo. They just went ‘weird’. I remember one as being a minister. Another being a member of the chruch choir we were singing in.
People are just plain ‘weird’ about such thinks as politics and a heretofore close associate may turn into a werewolf on you at a moment’s notice.
Why? Because they have no ‘manners’ when it comes to their ‘neighbor’ on certain points of Life. Or perhaps because they have no appreciation of God. Maybe the two are related.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Neighbor, n., One we are required to love, but does his utmost to make us disobedient.]
4:30 pm
TO: smith
RE: Are YOU the ONLY ONE?
In a word? No.
We had Samir before we had you.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Birds....Feathers....and Flocks.....]
4:35 pm
BTW…
Nobody is “my President.” Nobody ever has been.
I am not a subject. I am a citizen of a Republic, where we elect people to do the jobs required to have a functional country.
I don’t have a king, and I don’t have a president. The country does. The country is an organization, an entity that exists for the benefit of the citizenry.
I can be a patriot, which means I choose to act in certain ways because I believe in the country as something of intrinsic value for a whole list of reasons. The guy elected Executive is not our ruler, not my ruler. He’s a guy with a job.
The problem I have with the Left is that they want to tear down the country. BDS is an excuse for, or a method to, the madness. I couldn’t care less if they like George Bush. I do care that too many actively oppose the country, which I do support, again, for a whole list of reasons.
4:39 pm
Thank you for this article. This concept has been top of the mind since I caught up on the debates. Here’s why: Whenever Obama had the opportunity, he said something to the effect of, “It was your President, John, who…” I realize he is trying to tie McCain to Bush, but if Obama is elected, won’t he want to be everyone’s president too? Not just the Dems? Perhaps someone should forward him this article to read…
PS - Re: the moon landings. My husband and I are in our early-thirties and recently watched a documentary on them. It’s sad, but we can’t even imagine a time when the whole country could pull together and be so unified and joyously patriotic about something like that.
4:44 pm
smith, the second biggest trick the devil ever did was convincing people of color Republicans are somehow the party of bigots, against all evidence and historical example. Truth is, I would guess most Republicans believe skin color to be irrelevant, and work for and believe in the ideal of a color-blind society. This philosphy doesn’t lend itself to pandering. No affirmative action, no preferences, no nothing for anyone on the basis of skin color, bone structure, or any other God-given human attribute.
4:48 pm
TO: All
RE: Some Humor, Arh! Arh!
I’m reminded….
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat. -- Will Rogers]
4:50 pm
Chuck, I disagree and although you don’t beleive it have allot of expereince with the world. I would suggest a Dudge report and two personal incidents, don’t make much of a basis for conclusion. Regradless, thanks for your response.
4:54 pm
For the first time in my memory, “Right Wing Nut House” has actually fulfilled its title. What a bunch of disillusioned and angry lunatics have come out of the woodwork! I feel bad for you, Mr. Moran; nobody deserves the scraps of humanity that fill this post. I find it fascinating that with the exception of Horatio at post #133, nobody has stated where they would move to if Obama wins. They can speak ill of the Democrats, Liberals and Obama until their faces turn blue, but they don’t have a place to escape to if they actually come to power? “Grin and bear it” seems to be the only place that will accept these folks.
4:58 pm
TO: Savas
RE: You’re Entitled….
….to your opinion. But my ‘observations’ are based on just 3 weeks under 58 years of experience. That includes beginning in debate in the late 1960s and keeping up with politics and history since then.
Hope that helps….
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Any incident you survive is called an experience.]
5:03 pm
TO: All
RE: Surabaya Stew[ings]
Only a REAL ‘nut job’ who belonged in a Nut House would flee this country to move to some other lower-level. That’s why some brave people were rebuking Alec Baldwin in some East Coast elitist community after the 2004 election when he showed his face at come community function there in 2005.
You’re welcome to move. Personally, I’d rather live up to the oath of office I took in 1975.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[The gutless are always with you. -- CBPelto]
5:13 pm
I’m glad you have decided to be “the bigger man”! Someone should, but as for me, I feel more like your emailer and will seek every opportunity to find like minded taxpayers to enact another Boston Tea Party! I am not a wealthy person but I surely don’t see why my taxes should be spread around to a bunch of lardbutts or even ACORN and other lefty losers! Give me a freaking break!
5:13 pm
What a bunch of disillusioned and angry lunatics have come out of the woodwork!
A little projection going on here, eh? After all - Democrats are the ones into assassination chic, gang rape of Sarah Palin, and other fine examples of intellectual acumen and tolerance.
Surabaya sounds he cannot wait to let his inner Hitler run amok.
5:15 pm
TO: All
RE: Troy Riser’s Got It
That’s why people like ’smith’ call the Secretaries of State, Colin Powell [whom I served with] and Condi Rice and Allen Keyes and Thomas Sowell, ‘Uncle Toms’.
It’s because THEY, the name-callers, are the real racists.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[The Truth will out. And the real racists aren't going to like it.]
5:15 pm
Hate him all you want. That is free exercise of speech in this country. But if (not when, unlike many liberals, I don’t think this thing is over) Obama gets elected President, he gets to govern, just like the Bush administration got to govern. And he’ll do it with a slightly stronger hold on government (presumably) than the Right had when W. was in office. Curse, Throw Things, Make chants like “Kill him!” and call him “boy”. Bring monkeys to rallies and name them Obama. Go nuts. If he wins, he’ll still be President.
I just hope that it’s a realigning election. I want him to win by 50+ electoral votes just so there’s no doubt. The current President got support from Congress (Dems and Reps alike). He got his tax cuts, he got the Patriot Act, and he got both of his wars. History isn’t unfairly judging George W. Bush: he’s done a wonderful job of pissing away his bulletproof approval rating post 9/11 all on his own.
Now if he’ll just be cancerous enoug to ruin John McCain’s ambitions for the third time, I’ll truly celebrate.
5:17 pm
I have been seeking out constructive discourse on this maddening election cycle when I came upon this post. Just for the record, I am a Clinton Democrat who voted for Bush in 2000 in a vote of disgust against my own party. I’ve been an Obama volunteer for just under two years now.
This post is genuinely refreshing in it’s maturity and insight. I just wanted to say thank you for that. I feel much the same about a McCain presidency. He’s got one thing very right: when push comes to shove, it really is Country First. It has to be, or the whole fighting of the good fight is for nothing. What a tragedy if we the people lead this nation to ruin because we can’t be grown ups when it counts.
5:17 pm
Obama will never be my president. Can’t say it any simpler than that.
5:20 pm
Correction to #214: The original neocons were basically just “liberals who’d been mugged by reality.” Dubya is frequently deemed a neocon but he has evinced a much more sanguine view of human nature than the initial coterie. Cheney is also deemed a neocon and it’s fair to surmise that he doesn’t. I suppose the term itself is overdue for retirement.
5:26 pm
Now I know why this site is named Rightwing Nuthouse. Are we to believe that the loons on the left considered Bush “their President”?
Sorry Rick, but Obama won’t be my President anymore than Jimma Carter was my President. My President is the one that I voted for. After appointing one more Souter or Ginsburg to the bench, get back to me and tell me how Obama is your President.
5:26 pm
TO: Liberal
RE: Yeah….BUT….
….only if he wins without the help of voter fraud.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[The Truth will out. And God help the liars.]
5:31 pm
Civics 101, governmental power is restrained by the Constitution. We threw that out a long time ago.
5:34 pm
Very nice column.
5:37 pm
200+ posts of Obama Derangement Syndrome.
5:45 pm
Dumbass.
5:46 pm
TO: ’smith’
RE: Perhaps
But two thinks….
[1] No one here has called for the assassination of Senator Obama.
[2] You and that other guy are the only racists present.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[The Truth will out....]
5:49 pm
Nobody needs to call for the assassination of a president to be suffering from ODS, BDS, or MDS.
5:55 pm
Well, this site certainly is well-named. The only larger group of right-wing nutcases that I’ve seen post is over on RedState. You folks better get used to Obama and the Democrats because they’re going to govern this country for the next 25 years or so. On NOV 4 it’ll be Obama 380, McCain 158. Popular vote Obama 55, McCain 40. And for all you idiots who threaten revolution, etc. - give it a try if you dare. We will be ready to put you down forever. Good riddance to you.
Hate speech! From a liberal? I am shocked, shocked I tell you. “Eliminationist rhetoric” as Greenwald would say.
Um - I might mention in passing that given the horror with which liberals view guns coupled with the enthusiasm to exercise our second amendment rights among most conservatives, I might rethink that “We will put you down forever” thing you’ve got going there. Not. Healthy.
ed.
5:58 pm
Hell yeah Proud Librul!
6:06 pm
I will not get used to anything and no liberal jerk is going to tell me what to say or think. The socialist empty suit get NOTHING from me but hate and disdain. I also am tired of Repubs being nice doormats. We are not getting used to anything and Proud Librul, you just try putting me down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
6:11 pm
I’m afraid I disagree. Game theory teaches that the most successful strategy in iterated Prisoners’ Dilemma simulations is tit-for-tat. If we ever want Democrates to behave responsibly in the future, we need to respnd accordingly.
6:14 pm
To Judith -
Rise up in revolt and we’ll put you down for the count permanently. Just bitch and moan and whine and you can stay around.
6:14 pm
If ACORN’s registration capers are not substantially rectified before the election then, for me, that failure will be sufficient reason to presume that Mr.Obama is not my legitimate president regardless of what the electoral college says. Call it the Zimbabwe sanction.
6:16 pm
Good night conservative trolls. Bitter dreams to you as you contemplate the steamroller about to squash you into the dirt, ha-ha!
6:16 pm
Obama doesn’t reach across the aisle. Never, not once in his entire career has he tried to work with Republicans on any issue. While at U of C he wouldn’t speak to the one or two Conservative professors that taught there. His idea of bipartisanship is including blue dogs in his caucus. He will work to destroy, not beat, the Republican party and not even blink while doing it.
We need to fight Obama with every strategy and tactic in the book. Obama and the new left don’t just play to win, they play to destroy the other side. They play to wipe you off the map. As Napoleon changed the nature of war in the 1800’s Obama and the MSM are changing the nature of US politics in the late aughts. They control the media, they define the debate, and they are completely and utterly without scruples. It is about power for the left, not ideology, not America as some noble idea. Power, and the ability to impose it on anyone you see fit to marginalize.
If we don’t recognize this, and fight accordingly, we won’t have a seat at the table ever again. This isn’t OBS, this isn’t denying that Obama, if elected, legitimately holds that office. This is recognizing who Obama is, who his friends are, recognizing what the media will do for him, and deciding how we act to have a chance at survival.
Good luck to those of you deniers. I know our side will let you vote, I don’t know that in 2012 Obama will.
6:24 pm
Hey Chuck Pelto @229, three observations:
1. Alec Baldwin is a threat to America that needs to be rebuked? Really?
2. If I didn’t move when Bush was elected and re-elected, why would I move now and miss all the action?
3. What oath of office did you take in 1975?
As for Mwalimu Daudi @231, why did you have to prove Goodwin’s Law again? Hitler analogies as so damn lame!
6:32 pm
Since I’m about to be squashed into the earth by Bushhaters, the media, foreign Obama supporters and Acorn I’ll probably develop Obama derangement syndrome. I’m old but not ready to capitulate to a Venezuelan style of government.
Cheers,
6:33 pm
Wow, smith and proud liberal are sure some tough talking internet goons, eh?
Every liberal I have ever met is an effete metrosexual. With apologies to non-liberal effete metrosexuals everywhere.
The thought of those fruits “putting down for good” anyone is laughable. What are you going to use, global warmimg?
If they were going to put anyone down, why didn’t they do it in the last 8 years?
6:33 pm
“My president” suggests an endorsement of Obama’s socialist agenda.
If Obama is elected I will focus my energies on taking back “my country.” I never pledged allegiance to a president and there is nothing in our Constitution about having to stand by a president no matter what. As an anti-American, anti-Constitutionalist Obama has done NOTHING to win or deserve conservative support. I will oppose him and humiliate him every opportunity I get. He will be Carter squared.
6:48 pm
“. . . when he does something wrong”? How will you know? Because of the bannered headlines in the NYT revealing presidential perfidy? Because of the in-depth investigative reporting of the WaPo? Are you out of your mind? With political allies like you, we don’t need no Soviet Union. To the mattresses! I’m bringing my gun to this knife fight!
6:49 pm
I stumbled upon this article a few minutes ago and after reading the angry posts, wanted to state my thoughts.
I was a long time Republican, but changed to a registered Independent 6 years ago. Although I’m supporting Obama in this election, if John McCain were to win, the world will not come to an end. I would be disappointed, but hanging on to the anger is childish. The country will be just fine. Could it be any worse than what Bush gave us? We are all now socialists with a Republican president and for most of the last 8 years, the Republican controlled Congress spent like there’s no tomorrow.
While I do not agree with all the principles of the Democratic Party, I will support Obama. What scares me about a McCain administration is Palin. The Republican party is not what it used to be. Instead of being angry if Obama wins, why don’t you spend time regrouping on what Conservatism really means? I didn’t leave the Republican Party, it left me.
6:50 pm
“Good riddance to you”
See? There you have it! Gracious winners. And just what exactly will “your” America look like 25 years from now? I shudder to think.
Again, assuming BO wins, we are owed this. Plenty of people have made a career in the public sector, dragging their feet for 30 years. Certainly you can’t grudge me 4?
“just like the Bush administration got to govern”
You sure about that? Did it ever dawn any of you that they were forced to govern “from a bunker”? Behind closed doors? With a complete and total lack of anything vaguely resembling civility; just how exactly could ANY administration have functioned in peace time, let alone under present conditions?
I knew the minute I woke that dreadful Wed. in November 2000 that it was going to be hell. I certainly was not to be disappointed. Just wanted to return the favor.
6:53 pm
“At the very least, Barack Obama will deserve our acknowledgment that he is the legitimate elected president of the United States.” What planet are you living on?? That kind of thinking was thrown out by the Democrats during President Reagan’s’ last term of office. That good America is gone forever….now it’s just a blood sport America. The Democrats are going to rip the Republicans to shreds once they get in office. They seriously are considering charging President Bush and most of his administration with crimes. You haven’t even begun to see political warfare yet. On November 5th, a new civil war begins.
6:55 pm
And by the way, I’m in the top 3% of income earners and understand fully that my taxes will increase. It’s a price I’m willing to pay if the country is back on the right track and we clean up the mess left for several generations. I’m willing to pay if it means we can responsibly end the war in Iraq. I’m willing to pay if we can invest in our infrastructure. I’m willing to pay if it means it will help the country prosper.
Don’t get pissy with me in your comments. There are lots of us in the middle supporting Obama and would like to see the Republicans get their act together.
6:57 pm
Excellent post. This is a message that wins for America.
7:00 pm
Re:comment 94. The great evil of abortion will soeday be viewed like slavery is view now; there will be a lot of ‘what were they thinking?”. Your “Call me a baby-killer, but I want my children to have a choice” will be as odious and sound as despicable as arguments made for slavery sound to us. Here’s an excerpt from William Harper’s ‘Memoir for Slavery’, read before the Society for the Advancement of Learning, in SC, in 1837. ” We believe that the tendency of Slavery is to elevate the character of the master. No doubt the character — especially of youth — has sometimes received a taint and premature knowledge of vice, from the contact and association with ignorant and servile beings of gross manners and morals. Yet still we believe that the entire tendency is to inspire disgust and aversion towards their peculiar vices. It was not without a knowledge of nature, that the Spartans exhibited the vices of slaves by way of negative example to their children. We flatter ourselves that the view of this degradation, mitigated as it is, has the eflect of making probity more strict, the pride of character more high, the sense of honor more strong, than is commonly found where this institution does not exist. Whatever may be the prevailing faults or vices of the masters of slaves, they have not commonly been understood to be those of dishonesty, cowardice, meanness or falsehood. And so most unquestionably it ought to be. Our institutions would indeed be intolerable in the sight of God and man, if, condemning one portion of society to hopeless ignorance and comparative degradation, they should make no atonement by elevating the other class by higher virtues, and more liberal attainments.” Now what was that you said about bringing the good of choice to your children, by reducing the competition from siblings?
7:01 pm
“why didn’t they do it in the last 8 years?”
Well said TJ. I can’t see why there would be all that much ‘to’ debate? Are Dem supporters trying to assert that they were a picture of cooperation during the last 8 years?
Why is it I get the distinct impression they are perhaps on the verge of re-capturing the WH and realize their tactics of the last 8 years were totally uncalled for and over the top? Why aren’t you guys out celebrating? Huh?
7:03 pm
you people are insane, do you actually think all of the radical bullshit your saying? i fear for this country if any of you paranoid racist maniacs were ever to gain any kind of political office, id sit here and defend obama but it’s not even worth it to you lunitics. your the same people yelling “kill him” at mccain rallies and who think obama is a muslim. may god have mercy on your ignorant, delusional souls
7:06 pm
Dave H,
How right you are Sir! They’re foaming at the mouth at the very thought of some serious “payback”.
Oh and Suzanne, I’m glad you feel ‘that’ generous. (Please feel free to count me out, o.k?)
7:18 pm
[...] IF ELECTED, OBAMA WILL BE MY PRESIDENT He may occupy the office because of voter fraud, and I may outwardly respect his rank as Commander-in-Chief in the interest of good order and discipline, but I’ll be faking it like a good Stay Behind. Rick Moran would have made a great Petainist. [...]
7:19 pm
It’s not that I necessarily feel generous, but it doesn’t matter anyway. The AMT has tripled my taxes in the last 4 years since I married. So in essence, my taxes have tripled under Bush.
7:29 pm
Why should I respect Obama as the President? In the debates he refers to President Bush as “your” president when talking to McCain. Do you notice, he doesn’t say “our” President. I am just using his standards of respect for the office. Are you going to tell me I shouldn’t?
7:34 pm
The blazing inferno of rage exhibited here and on many sites this week is truly astounding. The sense that McCain is definitely going to lose seems to have become fact to many. It is driving people mad. It seems incomprehensible. Fanatics tear out their hair, driven raving into the streets at the loss of their entitlement.
7:36 pm
“if Obama wins, I plan on giving him as much of a chance as the Democrats gave George Bush. I will gleefully forward every paranoid anti-Obama rumor that I see, along with YouTube footage of his verbal missteps. I will laugh and email heinous anti-Obama photoshop jobs, and maybe even learn photoshop myself to create some. I’ll buy anti-Obama books, and maybe even a “Not My President” t-shirt.”
In other words, he’ll treat Obama exactly as the conservatives (a.k.a. the “Hillary killed Vince Foster and stuffed his body in an Arlington safe house” crowd) treated Clinton.
And this would be surprising how?
If you guys were real conservatives, instead of wacked out right-wing populists, you might have reflected on that “as you reap, so shall you sow” line.
But then, you all have never been very big on introspection.
7:53 pm
Rick Moran:
Let’s take a hypothetical. The US gets into an all-out war with Russia and Iran. After initial American successes, Russia and Iran win and even eventually invade America, defeating the US military on US soil.
Rather than take excessive losses overrunning and occupying America, the Russia/Iran alliance negotiates a treaty:
1. The Vice-President of the US will resign.
2. The President will appoint the head of CAIR as his Vice-President. (Assume the head of CAIR was born in the US. If not, assume some similar individual, or perhaps the head of the American Communist Party).
3. The Senate, per the treaty, will confirm the appointment.
4. The President will resign, leaving Mohammed Hussein al-Bakr President of the US.
In fact, a better case can be made for the legitimacy of President al-Bakr than for Obama, since he didn’t rely on phony votes. Rather, he benefitted from a perfectly legal set of acts:
It is perfectly legal for Russia and Iran to make war on the US.
It is perfectly legal for the President, with Congress’s approval, to make a peace treaty, even a disadvantageous one.
It is perfectly legal for the VP to resign.
It is perfectly legal for the President to nominate any native born American, except William Clinton and George W. Bush, as Vice President.
It is perfectly legal for the President to resign.
Furthermore, this may well be the Will of the People by this time. Remember, we’ve lost maybe 5 million people getting our asses kicked, and people probably want Change.
Keep in mind that President al-Bakr will almost certainly rule as a puppet for a brutal Iranian occupier.
Will you Support Our Legitimate President al-Bakr?
Because you see, Rick, hard-core Palinites like me regard Obama as indistinguishable from “al-Bakr.” We don’t accept a Communist president who seized power by registering fake voters and getting George Soros to create an economic crisis just when he was about to lose. We don’t accept a Communist monster whose base supporters support the murder of the opposing VP candidates disabled infant son. We not only reject the legitimacy of Obama as President, we reject the evil, cowardly, perverted, non-productive, parasitical TARGETS who make up his demonic supporters.
If the Communist wins, the war is on. Literally. And we will win, because we have the guns and are veterans, where all they’ve ever done is sip latte and watch rape porn.
8:00 pm
Suzanne:
In what weird world do you think we’ll respect the fact that you’re rich? As a right-winger, I know full well–as did the founding fathers–that the idle rich are as parasitical as the idle poor. Jefferson, and even his brilliant Secretary of the Treasury Gallatin (no ivory-tower idealist) knew full well that speculators are a drain on society. It is only the blue-collar types, who till the soil and shape metal, who are productive. You fit well into the Porn Party.
8:05 pm
If the current poles are correct and “the one” wins I will not treat him as those against GW Bush have treated him. I will not treat him as those against Bill Clinton treated him. I have never openly disrespected a current occupant of that office. I will in fact have nothing at all to say either as respectful or disrespectful opposition as I will no longer care.
Should the country elect this person with his ridiculously bad pattern of alliances - no need to cite them, we all know what they are - then the country is no longer worthy of any respect or concern. The reflection on the character of a country that would elect such a person will be abysmal and disgraceful. I will have a level of indiference towards the country that will equal my lack of concern for the affairs of New Guinea or Lichtenstein. My long time interest and study of American History will end. My reading of presidential biographies will end at Lincoln as the office will no longer be worthy of concern or respect. My concern with current affairs will end as it will no longer matter. This truly is a tipping point election regardless of your philosophies left or right due to the character and history of one of the candidates. It is difficult for me to comprehend that the judgement and character of the American public is so insidious but alas that appears to be the case.
8:05 pm
Proud Librul:
Where is this steamroller that’s going to squash us? Supposing Obama wins, you’ve still got close to 50% opposed to him. Are you saying that we will no longer be here after he wins? If that’s the case, can I assume that you’ll take your part in the Glorious Extermination? More likely you’ll be sipping your latte and letting the poor white trash of the ATF and similar organizations put their lives on the line, while you safely hide behind your computer like a true “librul” coward.
8:08 pm
Sure.
But he’d have to be legitimately elected.
8:09 pm
@duke law
great post! yes, it is difficult to see how educated folk could side with the republicans. as evidenced on this site, clearly, many are lacking the ability for individual and abstract thought - just repeat whatever hannity blabbers out.
@original post
I do think your post was reasoned and I wish everyone could take a reasoned approach such as yours. But from posts here it is clear why the name of this site is such.
8:10 pm
This might seems unpatriotic to some, but the rise of the left, and in many ways the Republican’s betrayal of conservative values, has lead me to a slightly different conclusion than Rick.
I’ve come to the realization that while I love America and her values - I love the Lord Jesus Christ more.
Politics has obsessed me for several years, and it has caused me to become intoxicated with my own self-righteousness and hatred of statism. I have tried to make my passion for democratic capitalism and my faith compatible, but I can’t seem to reconcile my Lord’s commandment to “Love my enemies” with my abiding hatred of the radical left wing.
Some people, much better people than I, (I’m thinking of Tony Snow, here) can set aside their anger, not allowing politics to overwhelm their humanity. However, I’m just not capable of setting my anger aside and “fighting the good fight.”
For me, this means ignoring politics and focusing on my life as a follower of Jesus. I’ll still vote for and support conservative candidates, but I’m done “fighting.” I guess I’d rather keep my sanity than try to push back against the unstoppable wave of immorality/insanity that is today’s American culture.
I don’t think I’m unique in feeling this way. : )
8:15 pm
Please, enough about “voter fraud”. Can any of you show proof of a single fraudulent vote in any national election? Not your guess, not your gut instinct: undeniable proof. Let it go. The election is not being rigged. McCain has consistently shot himself in the foot and elsewhere. If Obama wins it is because he has out-campaigned his opponent. Nothing more, nothing less.
Are you really that ignorant?
GOP election monitors are routinely physcially threatened if they attempt to observe voting in some wards in Chicago. There is an old, old, union practice of paying members - hundreds of members - to ride around all day, voting half a dozen or more times using (wait for it) faked registrations. You don’t think unions spend a half a billion dollars just on phone calls do you?
The point being, you can’t document what you can’t see. This is not intuition - the graveyard vote in Chicago is real. The union ballot stuffers are real. You can deny they exist, chalk it up to intuition or “gut feeling,” but you only reveal a denial so profound as to render any critique useless.
ed.
8:19 pm
I agree in principal with this column, but it’s going to be very hard respecting a man or party hell-bent on destroying capitalism and what made this country great. I won’t be part of the ODS crowd, but I don’t think I’ll ever be able to call him my president. I certainly think most conservatives conduct themselves honorably, so I really don’t think we’ll see the kind of lunacy we’ve seen on the left for the last eight years, repeated on the right.
8:27 pm
Rick Moran:
Another question: will Obama still be YOUR President when he abrogates the First and Second Amendments, without state ratification?
8:30 pm
Well, it appears our Computer Commando Proud Librul has advanced to the rear.
8:31 pm
What Kurt said
8:59 pm
You don’t have to worry about the Right acting like the Left, because the Right is busy working for a living, trying to raise a family, trying to start a business, trying to take care of themselves. We don’t have time to change the world for the better - thank God.
9:07 pm
Bourgeoisie: that changes if we have a depression thanks to Obama, and the rightwingers don’t have jobs. Honestly, I don’t think it’s such a good thing that most of us are so even-tempered. We really need to start going after the traitors. And not just the Obamas and the Bidens, but the local lowlifes. When it starts becoming a regular thing for lefties to show up in parks with skulls split by a pick, they will shut up like the giggly little cowards they are.
9:12 pm
If you truly believe in America than we need to stop fighting each other. It is the extremists on both sides of the fence that are the real enemy.
As far as stealing this election goes, I have no doubt that both sides are doing all they can to win. But overall, I think that ACORN will end up being less effective than the caging and machine “malfunctions” that the Republicans are employing.
I don’t trust either political party.
9:14 pm
I would have deleted this but I think it instructive as to the celebration of ignorance that you and other commenters on this post gleefully take part. Party on, dude.
ed.
Oh, by all means, deleted away - entirely consistent with the pinheaded ignorance expressed in the original post, and with the deep-seated desire to override the minority by your “will of the majority” - can’t answer the dissenting views expressed in an honest and straightforward manner (since the dissent is based in fact, while your “majority view” is based on wishful thinking and fantasy), so of course the dissent must be ridiculed and, if not thereby defeated, ignored or suppressed.
Dream on, Ed.!!
um…lemme see now. Comments are running about 50-1 against me - most much more original in their vitriol than you, my ignorant friend. So I guess that means I am “suppressing” points of view that disagree with my original post?
You’re right. I confess. Comments are actually running 500-1 against me but I am deleting the rest.
ed.
9:50 pm
As a conservative, there are a FEW good things about Obama being elected:
1. The liberal whining about Bush will slowly subside (my ears can hardly wait)!
1a. It will be harder for the Liberals to blame stuff on Bush (Although they will try for several years to blame Obama’s failings on Bush!)
2. Hillary Clinton will be locked out of a Presidential bid for 8 years. (Then when she tries again we can use the “she’s too old” argument like they have used against McCain).
3. Obama and the Democrats will learn it is much easier to criticize than provide solutions.
4. Watch the “3 AM SNL Phone Call” skit become reality.
In the end, I hope for the country’s sake Obama is as good at leading as he is at speeches and debate, that he does indeed reach across the isle, and he solves one or two of the big problems facing the country…but I’m not holding my breath…
10:02 pm
I have never said this before but Obama will never be my president. His vision of America is so foreign to me that I don’t actually look at him as being a real American. I believe that he actually hates what America stands for and if he had his way would turn this country into a cross between a marxist and Islamatic dictatorship. What has done to deserve this characterization: See Michael Barone’s artical on Obama’s attack on the first amendment in Missouri; His many association with marxist, terrorists (domestic and foreign), black nationalists, anti-semites, ACORN, and his radical views on abortion (denying care to aborted fetises born alive). The American people may indeed elect this monster as President but I will never recognize his legitamcy as my President.
10:03 pm
um…lemme see now. Comments are running about 50-1 against me – most much more original in their vitriol than you, my ignorant friend. So I guess that means I am “suppressing” points of view that disagree with my original post?
You’re right. I confess. Comments are actually running 500-1 against me but I am deleting the rest.
ed.
1) Gosh, sorry for being so “unoriginal” - but when opposing such narrow-gauge derangement as yours, not much “originality” is called for or even possible, now, is it?
2) The only detectible ignorance on display, of course, is yours - both in the original post, and in your feeble attempts to reply to those responding in the negative.
3) It’s said that confession is good for the soul - but only when made sincerely. Your insincerity is obvious, and therefore your confession is pointless (even if it was, apparently, intended as sarcasm - that simply makes it even more pointless).
4) Your reading and comprehension skills obviously need work; so far, as I stated, you’re apparently at the “ridicule” stage, not yet having arrived at the “ignore or suppress” stage, which comes later…unless you weren’t vainly striving for sarcasm, and actually have been deleting many of the opposing comments?
10:12 pm
Just surfing the net and I must say Republicans are the biggest hypocrites I have ever witnessed. Bush/Cheney lied or were so incompetent that we invaded a country for no reason and that is a fact. No WMD and not terrorist. Ever wonder why Collin Powell resigned? Really you guys are idiots. All of this negativity about Obama and you have already forgotten just how incompetent Bush/cheney were. The liberals have every right to make fun of, belittle, subvert, and show disdain for the Bush presidency. If Obama gets us into a war for two reasons and neither end up being true … have at him. But until then … treat him like O’neil treated Reagan. Its interesting how conservatives feel so angry about Clinton not telling the truth under oath (about his personal life) but somehow give Bush a pass for his lies and incompetence that got us into a useless war … unbelievable.
10:29 pm
I love liberals. Mostly they don’t think for themselves and tend to be hypocritical when it comes to politics. Listen up libs…….. Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Al Gore, John Kerry, and a host of other prominent Democrats must be lying too because they said the same thing about Iraq that Bush did about WMDs. And yes he used these same arguments to win approval from Congress to use force against Iraq. Did we find significant evidence of WMD stockpiles… no. This doesn’t mean that Bush lied. It does mean that because of very poor international intelligence EVERYONE believed he had them. Pounding you chest and saying you hate Bush because he “lied” about WMDs in Iraq makes you either ignorant or a liar yourself. Good things the war did do was that it removed a ruthless dictator that supported terrorists organization (like Hamas) and ended Sadaams murder and torture of 500,000 to 1,000,000 his own people. I suppose that isn’t of concern to a political party that supports the killing of millions of the unborn in their own country.
10:37 pm
Chuck Pelto
Congratulations, I think you’ve hit at least six home runs, on this thread.
Obama Tells Tax-Burdened Plumber the Plan is to ‘Spread the Wealth Around’
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy.
Obama is a socialist.
10:38 pm
Rick - a wrong doesn’t correct a wrong, but it sure gets one even. Noble as your lesson in civics is, there is much more to this election cycle, and, unfortunately, I have to agree with that person’s views:
1) In spite of the disheartening mistakes of McCain’s campaign (instead of going spring/summer brutally for Obama, he lost precious time, manoevering space and building a presidential image with his inconsequential “friends” townhall meetings), he is still the person deserving the job and significantly better qualified to handle what lies ahead.
2) Don’t do onto the other… - oh, yeah, do it, mightily do it, because the other has been at it relentlessly, for years (remember the word “sedition”?.
When dealing with a huge, nihilistic common front like CNN, NYT, LAT, MoveOnOrg, ACORN, etc., there is no time for acting chivalrously - remember McCain’s silly reaction to the N. caroline Wright ad?
3) The implications/consequences of this presidency are way bigger than during the 80s or other time. At no time in modern history America was so weak and facing OBJECTIVE circumstances so hostile and dangerous - Obama’s election won’t lessen our predicaments (We’re liked again! We’re liked again!) and his presence/personality in the office won’t help either.
Simply, a reasonable person cannot expect anything positive from this fellow - so, solace, revenge or righteous action, photoshopping the Opossum is a honorable and patriotic choice.
Best regards to that person.
10:39 pm
‘cuse me THAT’S Chuck Pelto….
10:40 pm
He just may be President. He just will not be MY President.
10:52 pm
That’s okay, ditto head right wingers. You’re going to find yourselves an ever shrinking minority in the years to come, and there are going to be plenty of real Americans proud of our Democratic presidents.
10:55 pm
Librul:
If only. We’ll just take out a few local GPS satellites and watch your eastern “army” get lost somewhere in N.E. while your western army occupies the Donner pass. Then we’ll scratch our heads, look again at the map of red & blue states, and wonder where you think your food, gas, & ammo comes from. Maybe you can best us at Wii DDR?
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My opinion:
A target rich environment is hard to defend. I think the key is to ridicule and destroy the credibility of the apparatchiks in the media that perpetuated this fraud and to target their corrupt pals in the congress by educating the morons who are happily pulling the lever for the people that just cost them their 401k . I nominate making Frank’s gay lover target numero uno.
Even if we fail, the coming $50T tsunami of socialist ponzi schemes will be ‘comingg…. hoooooome….. 2rooooOST!’ in 15 to 20 years.
THAT will be impossible to hide (or spin). [Unlike Frank's ideological successors, who I expect will be found spinning slowly from every available lampost.]
10:58 pm
297
Shirley you jest. To damn funny.
No, I’m serious. And don’t call me Shirley.
ed.
11:03 pm
Rick-
You’re a better man than I am I guess, but under no circumstances will Obama be my president.
I agree with the letter to Reynolds.
I refuse to reward the behavior of the left the past 8 years.
They made the decision to not stand with us. The consequences are on them, not me.
I will work to treat Obama the same way Bush was treated for 8 years.
And if some crisis erupts, this Pres. will NOT have my support. He can just call on Ayers and ACORN to bail him out in any trouble.
You cannot surrender to these people Rick.
They’ll get a peaceful transition of power from us.
And that’s all
11:14 pm
Here’s one more comment in support of your post. Even if the Left doesn’t reciprocate, what’s right is right.
11:24 pm
At least the presidency isn’t a permanent position, unlike what the Democrats always claim Bush desires. No marshal law yet. They never really gave him a chance.
If it turns out that Obama is moving in an unacceptable direction, we can always elect an opposing congress to balance the power, like we did during Clinton’s administration.
Regardless, I think it’s time for more political parties. The two bigs ones have gotten corrupt and lazy. They have been used in a game of divide and conquer for their corporate bosses.
Nowhere in the constitution does it mention political parties.
11:47 pm
A gentleman above said that he would urge his son to ‘resign his commission immediately’ despite the fact that he’s currently serving in Iraq if Obama is elected. Man oh man, have you no honor sir? If your son is like the many others I served with in Iraq and Afghanistan as a Marine then he would never do that because he loves his country and signed up to serve. We are pledged to support and defend the constitution of the United States - not believe in some wacko idea that Obama will immediately prosecute all military personnel for war crimes…are you serious?
This is exactly what has turned so many Americans off about where the Republican Party and Right stand today.
For what it’s worth, as a Marine vet of Iraq and Afghanistan, I’m voting for Obama because I’m tired of the fact that Republicans no longer stand for individual liberty. When the Republicans spend a few years in the wilderness, hopefully they’ll be able to provide a forward looking substantive opposition to what will likely be some leftist policies coming out of the Obama Administration and congress.
As a libertarian, I’m concerned that Obama will certainly implement policies that I radically oppose. But over the past eight years, how has this present Republican Party been conservative and stood for individual liberty? From 2001 to 2006 non homeland security/defense spending went up more in percentage terms than under LBJ’s period in office! Warrantless wiretapping from the party of individual liberty? Screeds against homosexuals and the belief that if I disapprove of someone else’s behavior I can make it illegal despite constitutional guarantees to that behavior. Campaign Finance Reform? A war in Iraq that was not properly planned or executed nor well thoughtout? Where are the competent, limited government Republicans?
Bring those back and I’ll be back in the Republican Camp.
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I have a son in the Army. He is a Captain. He is presently serving in Iraq.
If Obama is elected, I will advise my son to resign his commission immediately. I can see Obama prosecuting all military officers as war criminals. I can also see him using them as pawns in whatever games he will play.
It was a nice country. While we had it
11:54 pm
Yeah I can’t wait for this name calling to end and the killing to begin. That’s where this all ends up just like it did in prewar Germany. Oh well, Germany finally came out of it so I guess the US will also one day. You Conservatives and Liberals have fun slaughtering each other, I’ll just wait for the smoke to clear and bury the bodies.
12:19 am
Staggslaw, you wrote, ‘That’s okay, ditto head right wingers. You’re going to find yourselves an ever shrinking minority in the years to come…’ I don’t see how, frankly. Have you read the demographic statistics? Blue states in the US share a (frighteningly low) birthrate nearly identical to that of Canada and Europe, one far less than the replacement rate. Seems nanny-state loving liberals have forgotten how to make babies. Hint: unless you’re wealthy celebrity, making babies involves unprotected sex with a member of the opposite gender. Alien concept to you and yours, I know, but there it is.
12:25 am
I’m not in sync with most of Obama’s policies, but if he does win, I suspect he will win by a real majority, not the way Clinton won (a three way race) or Bush (less said the better). The ACORN thing is a red herring twisted by the right wing online media. ACORN under statutory mandate has to submit ALL forms filled, whether they’re genuine or not. However, it also has to review these forms prior to submission and flag them if found unacceptable. ACORN did exactly that. The problem was that of 5,000+ forms submitted to at least one precinct, about 3,000 were flagged as problematic by ACORN, a problem that occurred in part because ACORN volunteers were given added financial incentives for the number of registrations they brought in (not very wise, I say). Voter registration staff, not wanting to further review these forms decided to universally condemn the lot, ACORN protested, which led to further investigations and the sort of nonsensical accusations of fake voter registration we’re seeing today. That is not happening. Most of the obvious fake forms have been tossed. What remains to be reviewed are those forms that ACORN flagged as having minor issues. What I find astonishing is that 8 years after Bush v. Gore, neither the Feds, nor state governments have bothered to clean up our voting process. For crying out loud, if India can manage 560 million people voting without a hitch, why can’t the US?
12:28 am
Justin-
1. Thank you for your service.
2. your right, we should use the opportunity to clean house, especially for republicans that won’t stop the pork and/or voted for the bailout instead of holding out for a better deal.
3. The ‘warrantless wiretapping’ is a bum rap. No warrantless domestic wiretapping has been proven to have occurred. (And it would be illegal, but you could make an argument that it would be permissible if it was not used as evidence). Wiretapping of international calls has always fallen outside of the 4th amendment for the same reason that a border guard can dismantle your car on a whim while a traffic cop can’t open your trunk without getting your permission. This has been done for decades. Any other conclusion would assume that you have a constitutional right of privacy to call a terrorist in Pakistan, or the right to smuggle drugs into the U.S. if you make it to the American border.
4. The last budget crossed the $3T mark. (that’s 21 cents of every dollar in the GDP), and we just committed to growing it by nearly 2 Trillion in bailouts, including $150B in pork to pass the 700B bailout. Obama promises that “this is just the start”, and his proposed spending is estimated to range from 800 to 1T in new spending. He will attempt to create a mandatory health insurance program that (like Fannie/Freddie), will end up driving the industry into a nationalized health insurance. I don’t see how that gets dismantled until it causes a financial disaster on the level of Medicare/Social Security.
McCain suggests (and with the present economic outlook would have the political mandate) to freeze government spending and eliminate the corrupting influence of earmarks (if this stuff sounds small fry, consider that Obama, a JR. senator, has rang up nearly a 1 billion in earmarks in 4 years. Multiplying by 100 (ignoring the House) gets you 1/10th of a Trillion in largely unnecessary spending) McCain has never taken a single earmark. yes, he has incoherent economic ideas, but shouldn’t his generally good behavior be rewarded?
12:30 am
Good grief. What’s it like to wake up in the morning and realize that your wrists have gone limp?
Of course we’re going to take it to Obama after the election. Of course we’re going no holds barred.
This is a freakin’ culture war. Don’t you want to win?
Grow a pair.
12:54 am
As a life-long republican, I’m terribly disappointed in the competency exhibited in the last 8 years. So I’m going to give whoever is the next POTUS a fair chance and expect the congress to do the same. But I will not compromise on fundamental principles: privacy and individual rights (where were the republicans when patriot act was voted?), free markets (whatever is left of it after the recent nationalizations), sensible foreign policy, and no more unprovoked wars.
2:24 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5p3OB6roAg
Many reasons why some Obama supporters support Obama!
4:02 am
This ACORN stuff is beyond ridiculous. If ACORN registers 730,000 fake people to vote, how many of them will vote on election day? Come on now, I know it’s hard….that’s right! ZERO! This is registration fraud, not voter fraud. They could register 7 billion made up people and it wouldn’t change the outcome of the election. Be logical here people, please.
5:40 am
People often ask what’s the difference between conservatives and libertarians? There you have it. You see the difference. Conservatives are too polite, or as we libertarians like to say, too friggin’ wimpy.
You conservatives can accept Obama as your President if you want. We libertarians will humbly refuse, thank you.
We will fight for seccession or at least greater autonomy for Texas and other states.
We will advance all the evidence that Obama is the Nazi-Fascist that he is. And we will call him that with glee.
We will attack him at every possibly turn.
The guy is the complete polar opposite of a libertarian. There is nothing that we agree with him on. He is Stalin/Hitler/Mao Tse Tung/Mugabe/Castro/Bin Laden all wrapped up into on.
Sorry our conservative allies wish to appease him instead of fightback. But that’s okay, our conservative “pals” have been the weak link if the movement on the Right since they abandoned our libertarian hero Barry Goldwater in ‘64.
6:09 am
I am NOT an American and Obama will never be a President of mine. He will however cause some considerable angst to me and mine and will cause real hurt and loss, both culturally and financially. For that I wish him ill and hope that it will come swiftly before he has a chance to undermine the structures that have allowed him to rise.
When will America and especially Republican America wake up from the dream of ‘fair play’ democracy? That fiction has not been practiced by liberal / leftist / neo-Marxist, America for at least two generations.
The fact that we are involved in a real war of culture and have been for the past 40 years, seems to have slipped under the radar of America’s conservatives.
All’s fair in love and war, and more especially so in a Cultural War, where defeat means literal extermination of the moral and philosophical underpinnings of one’s belief system, through the assimilation of one’s children into the new socio-cultural system.
People forget that democracy is an extremely fragile system that has to be passed intact from one generation to the next and can only be guaranteed through that transfer, one generation at a time. Democracy’s bonds are stout and resilient when attacked from outside, however those bonds are tenuous when undermined from within.
Civil war is always the bloodiest and the most cruelly fought. The left tumbled to this fact in the sixties. Forget Political Ethics 101. Forget taking the moral high road. Forget turning the other cheek. Those attributes are seen as weakness by the left and they take full advantage. We know them not to be weakness but moral strengths, but when one’s very cultural survival is at stake and the freedoms underpinning society are undermined then anything goes.
When winning is the only guarantee of philosophical and democratic survival, then some of the tenets of normal democratic life must by virtue of the threat, be put to one side for a time, to ensure the survival of the philosophy of democracy itself.
It happened in the ‘hot’ war of WWII. Many of the tenets of democracy were put to one side by the needs and realities of that time. Democracy survived and full democratic and moral philosophy was restored. The current Cultural Civil War is at least as dangerous, if not more so, than the dangers faced by the Western democracies in the late 1930 to mid 1940s.
I’m sure that the Roman Senate debated the finer legal points of appointing a Consul or even a Dictator (in the classical sense) whilst barbarian hoards pounded on the gates of Rome. I’m sure that they felt that their moral and cultural position was superior to that of the barbarian, right up to the point that a sword entered their chest and their children marched off to slavery. We have similar decisions to make. Not because we want to but because we are forced to. Think it can’t happen to you? Remember that just 6% supported the communists in Eastern Europe in the late 1940s. Yet four generations suffered under the boot of the left.
Think about what is under attack and what is able to be lost forever, before you begin to quote Civil Ethics 101 to me and taking a moderate line. We do live in extraordinary times as we did in 1939 (or 1942 for a sleeping USA. Times that are as dangerous now as then and requiring measures at least as comprehensive as were put in place to preserve the flower that is democracy.
The difference between then and now is that the threat this time is internal and there will be no government sponsored plan to preserve the democratic flame for our children. Individuals everywhere must do whatever it takes to defeat the threat from within or our children will chant the mantra of the left and will curse the democracy of their parents and grandparents.
Think about it. Observe, Orientate, Decide and Act to save both yourselves, your political philosophy and your children, from the threat of home grown socialism and neo-Marxism.
Being an outsider I do not really care whether Obama destroys the political and socio-cultural underpinnings of the US as a democratic nation. I do care when your mess flows over into my patch and causes hurt to me and mine. Sort your mess out and be quick about it!
6:24 am
Some of these posts scare the living daylights out of me. Dems say Reps started it with Clinton, Reps say Dems were worse with Bush - and theres no chance that Obama will get a chance.
Where’s Country First? You might disagree with some things, but isnt the worst thing that can happen a blockade, no movement whatsoever other than down - look at the mess the economy is in - who would prefer a 4 year vendetta but economic misery to swolling a little pride and trying to make up? Isnt the person offering the hand of compromise the better person? And what happened to turning the other cheek - especially if its for the common good?
6:33 am
Sorry to break this to you Ben but the old rules don’t apply anymore. The left hasn’t been playing by the book for two generations and now poses a real and present danger to the actual democratic underpinnings of the US.
Time to wake up to the fact that the US and the whole West are deep in a cultural civil War that has no rules of engagement. This is because civil Wars usually mean that the loser is destroyed as an entity. In a war of culture that means that your children will be taught to hate what you stood for. It’s a war of survival of one’s moral and philosophical identity. The loser looses totally.
Once you have tumbled to the reality of what is happening in the democratic west and especially in the EU and US the better you will be in defending yourself and your family.
6:53 am
Wow. The left has been threatening for 2 generations? I guess you’re saying that since Vietnam the left has been killing democracy? To be honest, I hadnt noticed. I personally feel the culture war has been pretty unpleasant since Clinton, gotten worse with Bush but the way Obama is being painted here “He is Stalin/Hitler/Mao Tse Tung/Mugabe/Castro/Bin Laden all wrapped up into on.” - come on, be serious.
You can always get people stirred up with enough rhetoric (just look at what happened in Rwanda) - but do you really want the country to go down that road? Isnt there a time to say “Enough!”? I dont want to be at war, I want to be able to disagree but we should all have pretty much the same interests at heart - and have some element of compromise. And what has the left really done that is so bad in the last 8 years - whinge? Bumper stickers? Call Bush unreasonalbe things? Wear offensive T-Shirts? I just dont see what has been done to justify the reactions here. I just dont see what has happened that would not allow some form of compromise. And let us be a bigger person than the idiot in the T-Shirt, when then all is lost.
9:10 am
Suzanne,
Dearest, the AMT has been in place for decades. Bracket creep has been a well known fact for the last 10. Minimum.
If you allowed yourself to quadruple your tax bill “under Bush” you’ve really managed to accomplish something! Most folks of means have already made appropriate adjustments and taken advantage of the ATM Free investment options readily available.
You need to fire your CPA. Oh wait, you don’t have one, and like the rest of your points ( you don’t have any money either ) Isn’t this so typical of the brand of disinformation we’ve come to expect?
9:14 am
TO: ’smith’
RE: Calls to Assassinate
But isn’t it interesting that over the last 8 years, the Democrats have done so repeatedly against President Bush.
In the military, we refer to that as something of an ‘indicator’.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[The Truth will out.....and the Democrats aren't going to like it.]
9:18 am
Ben,
Oh I don’t mind the ridiculous and misguided T-shirts that high school kids wear to be cool? It’s when you go to cocktail parties and liberals “mark their territory” by making sure early on you understand this is a “Bush Supporter Free Zone”.
These would be a-d-u-l-t-s. ( I can tell because they are consuming alcohol ) So minimize it all you want but BDS IS… real and driven many of us to agoraphobia.
9:34 am
TO: Surabaya Stew
RE: Three Observations, Item #1
Trouble with reading English? Or remembering anything longer than a year ago?
Alec Baldwin, along with a lot of other brainless Blue Entertainment types, in the run-up to the 2000 General Election, threatened to move to a foreign country.
He never did.
RE: Three Observations, Item #2
You’re welcome to stay.
RE: Three Observations, Item #3
Commissioned an officer in the United States Army.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[God is alive....and airborne-ranger qualified. And so am I.]
9:56 am
TO: Suzanne
RE: Okay….
But what will you do if Obama wins and the world DOES come to an end?
For more information, see my earlier comment to our host @ #143.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[What if Chicken Little were right?]
10:03 am
TO: All
RE: Kurt [with head] in Sac
The allegations he’s claiming used by the Bush administration to justify going into Iraq as being lies have been proven to be true after all.
Kurt, with his head in a ’sac’, just doesn’t care to recognize it. But this is not the topical thread to disabuse his ignorance. Let alone his pride in being ignorant.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Stupidity, n., Being ignorant and being proud of it.]
10:12 am
TO: Don CeSar
RE: It’s a HIT!
I prefer to think of them as SABOT rounds quivering in their chests.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[TARGET! Cease fire. Gunner. Engage 'liberal' at 291.
Identified.
Loader. Load HEAT.
UP!
On the WAAAAAYYYYY!!!!! -- MBT Engagement commands]
11:46 am
Moran,
You are wrong on so many levels, it’s difficult to know where to start. It’s stark raving lunacy for a self-respecting democratic republic to give legitimacy to a socialist president.
99.9% of the democratic party are NOT ‘Americans first and Democrats second’. I served as a U.S. Soldier for 30 years, and I’m an Iraq war vet. We endured Clinton loathing us, Durbin calling us Nazis, Patty Murray saying “Bin Laden builds day-care facilities…we haven’t done that”, John Murtha calling us “murderers” and Harry (white flag) Reid declaring the ‘war was lost’.
Now the Democrats offer up a radical socialist ACORN pimp, with ties to unrepentant domestic terrorists.
So far, Barack Hussein Obama has accumulated William Ayers, Bernadine Dorhn, Hamas, The Muslim Brotherhood, The Nation of Islam, Hugo Chavez, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Daniel Ortega, Rev Jeremiah (god-damn America) Wright, The Communist/Socialst party, and a host of other miscreants as supporters, admirers, and associates.
There are reasons why he attracts this kind of crowd.
He’s a human bug light for despots, terrorists, and hate spewers. No wonder the democrats love him. They’re all salivating for a ‘change they can believe in’.
You may support him on the outside chance he gets the keys to the oval Office, but don’t expect the rest of us to follow suit.
12:24 pm
TO: sfcmac
RE: Maintain
Lunacy? Probably.
If I understand the first three of your ID properly, we need to respect the Constitution. If America wants to go lunatic, they’ve go the right. That’s what we swore to so long ago.
However, if all three branches of the government violate the Constitution……well…..weren’t we supposed to defend it against ALL enemies? Foreign AND domestic?
The checks and balances have worked rather well these last 200+ years. But that doesn’t mean they cannot be suborned.
On the other hand, if the election is rank with voter fraud getting a man into the Oval Office, then we have what amounts to a VERY interesting Constitutional Crisis. And I would wait on the Congress and the Supreme Court to rule before taking extreme umbrage. And I would counsel all my comrades-in-arms to hold their horses.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or exercise their revolutionary right to overthrow it. -- Abraham Lincoln]
P.S. I would suspect that he meant the latter course of action when all others, i.e., to amend, have failed to redress.
1:45 pm
[...] Rick Moran: [...]
1:49 pm
TO: ThinkingMeat
RE: THIS IS HOW….
…it works in this country…
Read my item at 325. Pay particular attention to the tagline.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
P.S. Why do you suppose…
[1] There is the Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States.
[2] The Democrats seem so hell-bent on redefining it.
Three guesses….
….first two don’t count……
1:51 pm
Holy cow, what a response! Mine’ll get lost in the avalanche, but here goes:
“The fact that the Democrats and the left have acted like 2 year olds the last 8 years doesn’t mean that if Obama is elected we should throw the same infantile tantrums and look for ghosts in the machine …”
At that point in your article I was inclined to disagree; Screw them! Screw civility! They didn’t act civil! They didn’t act fair or polite! And it wasn’t just the last “eight” years, they did it for eight years (and counting) under Reagan!
But your article convinced me otherwise. Thanks, I guess, for that slap upside the head.
1:56 pm
Hi Mark,
Thanks for your comment about my service – its always good to know my service is appreciated by fellow Americans Americans.
I understand your comments about warrantless wiretapping and am partially conflicted due to the need to secure America. However, the recent whistleblower reports that the NSA was listening, transcribing, and passing on conversations of US troops talking to their wives – this was specific policy, not the actions of some rogues. Not only is this a violation of privacy and liberty, but incredible waste of resources.
McCain gets credit for earmarks but his plan on 300B buying foreclosed homes and comment on Greed on Wall Street among his other meanderings on the economy and regulation make absolutely no sense.
Additionally I guess I’m really fed up with the control the Christian right exercises of the party now. I’m really fed up with that. Goldwater would be rolling in his grave. BTW, check Buckley’s recent endorsement of Obama. Just because I’m conservative leaning doesn’t mean I have to support everyone that says there a conservative and with me.
Justin
2:04 pm
To Chuck Pelto:
“….weren’t we supposed to defend it against ALL enemies? Foreign AND domestic.”
You bet. The Dems certainly quantify the domestic part of that statememt.
I retired in 2006 after 30 years. You should have seen the hell I raised during Bubba’s tenure.
Be that as it may, I am now a former (though I’ll always be one) Soldier, and I no longer have to ‘hold my horses’.
Duty, Honor, Country
SFC MAC
2:11 pm
TO: DoorHold
RE: Interesting Point
You just tickled a thought. Something about dealing with ‘children’.
Something written LONG ago….
They ARE acting like unruly children…..
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[....they deserve correction.]
P.S. The question is what is the best form to deliver such…..
2:13 pm
TO: Rick Moran
RE: [OT] Your CSS
Would it be possible to allow for a break in paragraphs to show up within a blockquote, properly?
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Consistency is the hobgoblin of good user interface.]
2:22 pm
TO: sfcmac
RE: The ‘Bubba’ Years
I can well imagine….being a mustang who didn’t set aside his candor when he set aside the sergeant stripes to take on two gold bars. Probably one of the worst mistakes I made in my life. I had so much more ‘fun’ as a sergeant. As opposed to almost coming to blows with a great batt commander while I held a company therein. But that’s a LONG story.
Neither of us on account of that stage in our ‘careers’. I retired (reserve side) in 1997 after 27 years; passed over for Major. And I learned more in the reserve component and had a more professional, i.e., less political, environment to work. Worked at a higher level too.
At any rate, I still think professionals should wait until the whole edifice collapses before attempting anything ‘untoward’.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Every generation needs a new revolution. -- Thomas Jefferson]
2:50 pm
“RE: The ‘Bubba’ Years”
Yeah, I had over 10 years of active duty when Bubba was sworn in. From Day (1) ( it didn’t look good ) After several more years in the active reserves, I couldn’t take it any more.
In ways, I let this man take away my career. I’m sure I wasn’t alone in that. Anyway after all these years I’ve managed to salvage that and will be re-enlisting all over again! Only this time in the Guard ( so… technically I’ll be under the Gov. ) So there!
Besides, if BO is elected, everyone the world over will love us and respect us and drop all their evil plans against us! So it shouldn’t matter, right?
2:59 pm
TO: DinOR
RE: Your Sardonic Wit….
…is not lost with me.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[The World will never love US. It WILL respect US. Some of it will even fear US. But it will never love US. -- President Theodore Roosevelt]
P.S. Personally, I think the approach expressed by Tony Stark in Iron Man works best.
3:20 pm
[...] me among the democratically inclined Obama critics who will not greet an Obama presidential win as an invitation to bitterness and [...]
3:39 pm
TO: All
RE: The Lack of ‘lex’
I find it an interesting indicator that lex, after asking for an explanation of how the indications of voter fraud by ACORN could possibly lead to voter fraud during the election and getting an explanation of how that could be….
….hasn’t responded to the simple explanation of how voter registration fraud could readily lead to voter fraud on election day.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Where do these 'people' come from, anyway???!?!?!]
4:17 pm
Chuck Pelto,
That’s the thing I keep coming back to? Just days before the elections in Spain, they had the terrible rail bombings. What made it a tragedy X 2 is that everyone went to the polls and overwhelmingly voted for liberals. Hoping ( I gather ) to appease radicals from further attacks?
Since I can’t get anything of substance from BO supporters, I suppose I’m left to my own devices? If that truly ‘is’ their motivation… just come out and SAY it! Sadly, I think they’ll be disappointed.
4:20 pm
I’m not American, I just happen to live here. Coming from a foreign perspective, it’s interesting to see the opinions on both sides here.
Each side has its share of adherents who are absolutely convinced that the other side is hell-bent on destroying America and all it stands for.
Each side loves to accuse the other of lying, cheating, cronyism, obstructionism, criminal conduct and just plain “un-American”ness. And in most cases, each side is absolutely correct.
Each side is convinced that they are the very model of reasonable, bipartisan politics and the other side is returning nothing but rabid denunciations of their efforts.
Each side has its morons who honestly think that someone on the opposing ticket warrants comparison with Hitler, Stalin, etc.
Each side is convinced that there is a media bias against them.
Each side could quite frankly only benefit from the en-masse neutering of their hysterical fringes.
Each side, if the opposition does in fact win this election, will respond with a slew if vituperation in forums like this one, followed shortly thereafter by rampant apathy.
What the hell is up with this? Enough with the finger-pointing already, your little crowd is just as bad as their little crowd. Opinions like yours are the very reason that political issues have become so poisonous.
If you honestly believe that the President, whoever he or she may be at any given time, has obtained the office fraudulently, there is a legal framework for challenging it. If they don’t listen, then get in their faces until they have no choice. And if you get your day and are still shot down, then accept it.
But until then, you will have that person as your President. As a non-citizen (green card holder only), I don’t have the right to vote here, but either McCain or Obama will nevertheless be my President until or unless sufficient grounds have been incontrovertibly established for removing him from office, and the removal has taken place. And anyone who says differently is sadly deluded.
I love America. I am in fact undertaking a fair amount of effort and expense to establish citizenship here, simply to gain the rights most of you already have. You can be damn sure I will exercise those rights in defense of what I believe is right, and in opposition to what I believe is wrong… but you can also be damn sure I’ll not be a part of the idiot brigade marching at either end of the political spectrum. If anything really does stand in danger of destroying this country, it is the vitriol brought by the wing-nuts of both sides.
4:33 pm
TO: DinOR
RE: You’re Right
They will be ‘disappointed’. And, I suspect a goodly number of them, even the ones I saw rebuking a march of McCain supporters in Manhattan, will likely be dead too boot. Nothing like a few thousand dead to get someone’s attention. Too bad the dead can’t benefit from the ‘experience’.
I remember 9/11. It’s really too bad that New Yorkers can’t remember anything before 2004. One would think they had friends, associates or relations who died in the Twin Towers. I, in Denver, had a co-worker who lost her daughter there. And I seem to remember better than they. Must be something in their water….bad Kool-aide….
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Those who cannot remember their past are DOOMED to relive it.]
P.S. Especially if it’s their recent past.
6:43 pm
BeyondTheBlue,
I must admit, that’s a new angle. Usually when we hear that it comes in the form of “I’ve been a life-long Republican but…”
Assuming what you’re sharing is true ( you sure ’sound’ like an American..? ) it may be a little late to easily implement your otherwise reasonable sounding suggestions. All I have ever heard BO & JB do is immediately paint McCain as a “3rd Bush term”. And since they’ve led in the polls, why bother with anything else?
7:32 pm
TO: All
RE: Getting ‘Shot’
I’ve determined, after 27 years in the infantry, that getting ’shot down’ is not conducive to either (1) mission accomplishment and/or (2) health. I suspect it has something to do with bullets and bodies and general health after the former is introduced into the latter.
Based on that professional observation, I suspect BeyondTheBlue is beyond any reasonable doubt something of a moron. Or maybe he/she just needs more training in English.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Bullets are not conducive to general health....unless you're the one shooting them. -- Rules of Combat]
8:31 am
To BeyondTheBlue:
“If you honestly believe that the President, whoever he or she may be at any given time, has obtained the office fraudulently, there is a legal framework for challenging it. If they don’t listen, then get in their faces until they have no choice. And if you get your day and are still shot down, then accept it.”
The legal framework only functions if the Attorney General and the MSM, aren’t in the president’s hip pocket. Case in point:
Clinton and Gore used the Oval office as a conduit for illegal, immoral, and unethical activities. Perjury during a sexual harassment case was what got him impeached, but that was just the tip of Bubba’s iceberg.
Among the felonies:
He traded classified missile technology for Chinese campaign contributions. One of the Chinese agents, John Huang, was given unfettered, uncleared access to Top Secret documents, briefed 37 times by the C.I.A., viewed 500 pieces of raw intelligence, made 261 calls to the Lippo corporate banks, and was a frequent visitor to the White House. Millions of dollars in ILLEGAL campaign funds were funneled into the Clinton/Gore coffers. That is treason, and for that alone, both those SOBs should be UNDER Leavenworth.
Clinton also illegally obtained FBI files on “political enemies” and lied about their existence, but they showed up on Hillary’s desk after a couple of years of being “misplaced”.
The eight year Clinton/Gore crime spree went without a hitch because Janet Reno refused to prosecute.
Abetted by Reno’s lap-dog obstruction of justice, Clinton flushed the integrity of the Office as well as national security down the toilet, and not a peep out of the liberals.
Oh, BTW: His response to the FIVE terrorist attacks against Americans during his term: ZERO. The Embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania, the USS Cole, Khobar Towers, and the first World Trade Center attack in 1993, resulted in Bubba biting his quivering lower lip, tearing up, and doing absolutely nothing…Oh wait, that’s right, he wagged the dog by bombing Kosovo and sending us into Somalia.
US Army SpecOps had that SOB Bin Laden in the cross hairs, and Bubba refused to give the order.
GAWD, the list of reasons for the use of the legal framework in this instance, are endless.
So much for its use.
9:24 am
To DinOR: I’m British, but I’ve been here long enough that I probably sound American in my writing style at least.
And I agree that painting McCain as being Bush 44 was at the very least a disingenuous line of attack from the left. Having said that, I also don’t think that Obama’s ties to Ayers and ACORN are nearly as strong as many people on this forum seem to believe they are (or perhaps wish they were).
To Chuck: Staggering though it may be to contemplate, my use of ’shot down’ in this instance was metaphorical; not every situation has a solution involving a bullet. I have nothing but respect for those who serve, assuming they do so honorably, but I also contend that there are non-military approaches which can and should be given at least equal consideration.
To sfcmac: I couldn’t agree more that there were things that should have been done during the Clinton years which were not. While I believe that his execution of the office was, by and large, quite competent, he was not without his murky side. However, when the MSM doesn’t listen, every passing day brings more channels of M which are not MS. Matt Drudge made his name by bringing the Lewinsky scandal to light, and is now considered one of the most influential figures in American news media. If the MSM are in the President’s hip pocket, then there will be another Matt Drudge out there waiting for his or her big chance. And once a story has legs, the AG doesn’t have as much comfort in that same hip pocket.
I think the upshot of all of these individually-addressed comments is that in twenty-first century America, there is no weapon more effective than the right information, used at the right time and in the right way. Perhaps if more Democrats stop thinking with their penises and more Republicans stop thinking with their guns, they will all eventually realize that.
10:07 am
TO: BeyondTheBlue
RE: Metaphorically Speaking
Physically or metaphorically speaking, getting ‘shot down’ is still considered ‘mission failure’. And particularly ‘dissatisfying’ if the shooting is done in an illegal manner, i.e., a president put into the Oval Office by voter fraud.
If that scenario DOES come to pass and the legal system of the Congress and the Supreme Court does not rectify it, that ‘shoot down’ is NOT acceptable. Indeed, it is an indication that the whole concept of the Constitution has been overthrown, because all three branches of the federal government have been suborned.
I’m willing to give equal consideration to peaceful resolution of what would amount to a Constitution Crisis the likes of which has never been seen in this country. That’s why I’ve stated (earlier) that we let the system perform as it is supposed to perform. But if it does not perform in accordance with a nation that supposedly lives ‘under Law’, then there is cause for grave concern.
Hope the helps.
?Regards,
Chuck(le)
[I, (state your name) (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of (whatever) do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God." (DA Form 71, 1 August 1959, for officers.]
P.S. Note the absence of any requirement to obey the orders of the President of the United States. Nor any officers appointed over the individual.
10:17 am
TO: BeyondTheBlue
RE: The Most Powerful Weapon
Good point, that. And true.
Now. Tell me. Where are you going to get ‘the right information’? The so-called ‘mainstream media’?
As an old colonel once told this, then young, captain….
4:17 pm
To BeyondTheBlue:
“BeyondTheBlue Said:
9:24 am
To sfcmac: I couldn’t agree more that there were things that should have been done during the Clinton years which were not. While I believe that his execution of the office was, by and large, quite competent, he was not without his murky side.”
Murky is a very weak description of felonious treason.
The perjury over his ‘mouth-to-crotch resuscitations’ he recieved from Paula Jones, Monica Lewinsky, etc, was the tip of the corrupt iceberg.
“And once a story has legs, the AG doesn’t have as much comfort in that same hip pocket.”
Again, that all depends. The FBI begged Janet Reno to form an independent invastigation over Chinagate, for instance, and got stonewalled at every turn. The MSM blew it off as well.
Look at Obama’s ‘murky’ background and associates. It’s up to outlets like Fox News and concerned conservative pundits to keep bringing this to the public’s attention so they know what they will be stuck with if they decide to put THE ONE in office.