“BeyondTheBlue Said:
9:24 am

To sfcmac: I couldn’t agree more that there were things that should have been done during the Clinton years which were not. While I believe that his execution of the office was, by and large, quite competent, he was not without his murky side.”

Murky is a very weak description of felonious treason.

The perjury over his ‘mouth-to-crotch resuscitations’ he recieved from Paula Jones, Monica Lewinsky, etc, was the tip of the corrupt iceberg.

“And once a story has legs, the AG doesn’t have as much comfort in that same hip pocket.”

Again, that all depends. The FBI begged Janet Reno to form an independent invastigation over Chinagate, for instance, and got stonewalled at every turn. The MSM blew it off as well.

Look at Obama’s ‘murky’ background and associates. It’s up to outlets like Fox News and concerned conservative pundits to keep bringing this to the public’s attention so they know what they will be stuck with if they decide to put THE ONE in office.

I think the upshot of all of these individually-addressed comments is that in twenty-first century America, there is no weapon more effective than the right information, used at the right time and in the right way. — BeyondTheBlue

Good point, that. And true.

Now. Tell me. Where are you going to get ‘the right information’? The so-called ‘mainstream media’?

As an old colonel once told this, then young, captain….

There are two ways to exercise power.

The first is to make decisions for people who would be better off making them for themselves. The second is to withhold information from people that would allow them to make better decisions for themselves.

The so-called ‘mainstream media’ exercises option number 2. And they do it VERY WELL. In short….

What they are telling you could be important. What they are NOT telling you could be VITAL — CBPelto

RE: Wishful Thinking

Perhaps if more Democrats stop thinking with their penises….. — BeyondTheBlue

That would be nice. But they have so much fun using that instead of what little brains the vaunted American public education system left them. Sex ed being the primary subject being taught therein these days.

RE: With What?

….and more Republicans stop thinking with their guns, they will all eventually realize that. — BeyondTheBlue

We don’t ‘think’ with our ‘guns’. The weapons are merely tools.

Hope the helps.
?Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not. -- Thomas Jefferson]

Staggering though it may be to contemplate, my use of ‘shot down’ in this instance was metaphorical; not every situation has a solution involving a bullet — BeyondTheBlue

Physically or metaphorically speaking, getting ‘shot down’ is still considered ‘mission failure’. And particularly ‘dissatisfying’ if the shooting is done in an illegal manner, i.e., a president put into the Oval Office by voter fraud.

If that scenario DOES come to pass and the legal system of the Congress and the Supreme Court does not rectify it, that ‘shoot down’ is NOT acceptable. Indeed, it is an indication that the whole concept of the Constitution has been overthrown, because all three branches of the federal government have been suborned.

I have nothing but respect for those who serve, assuming they do so honorably, but I also contend that there are non-military approaches which can and should be given at least equal consideration — BeyondTheBlue

I’m willing to give equal consideration to peaceful resolution of what would amount to a Constitution Crisis the likes of which has never been seen in this country. That’s why I’ve stated (earlier) that we let the system perform as it is supposed to perform. But if it does not perform in accordance with a nation that supposedly lives ‘under Law’, then there is cause for grave concern.

Hope the helps.
?Regards,

Chuck(le)
[I, (state your name) (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of (whatever) do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God." (DA Form 71, 1 August 1959, for officers.]

P.S. Note the absence of any requirement to obey the orders of the President of the United States. Nor any officers appointed over the individual.

And I agree that painting McCain as being Bush 44 was at the very least a disingenuous line of attack from the left. Having said that, I also don’t think that Obama’s ties to Ayers and ACORN are nearly as strong as many people on this forum seem to believe they are (or perhaps wish they were).

To Chuck: Staggering though it may be to contemplate, my use of ’shot down’ in this instance was metaphorical; not every situation has a solution involving a bullet. I have nothing but respect for those who serve, assuming they do so honorably, but I also contend that there are non-military approaches which can and should be given at least equal consideration.

To sfcmac: I couldn’t agree more that there were things that should have been done during the Clinton years which were not. While I believe that his execution of the office was, by and large, quite competent, he was not without his murky side. However, when the MSM doesn’t listen, every passing day brings more channels of M which are not MS. Matt Drudge made his name by bringing the Lewinsky scandal to light, and is now considered one of the most influential figures in American news media. If the MSM are in the President’s hip pocket, then there will be another Matt Drudge out there waiting for his or her big chance. And once a story has legs, the AG doesn’t have as much comfort in that same hip pocket.

I think the upshot of all of these individually-addressed comments is that in twenty-first century America, there is no weapon more effective than the right information, used at the right time and in the right way. Perhaps if more Democrats stop thinking with their penises and more Republicans stop thinking with their guns, they will all eventually realize that.

“If you honestly believe that the President, whoever he or she may be at any given time, has obtained the office fraudulently, there is a legal framework for challenging it. If they don’t listen, then get in their faces until they have no choice. And if you get your day and are still shot down, then accept it.”

The legal framework only functions if the Attorney General and the MSM, aren’t in the president’s hip pocket. Case in point:

Clinton and Gore used the Oval office as a conduit for illegal, immoral, and unethical activities. Perjury during a sexual harassment case was what got him impeached, but that was just the tip of Bubba’s iceberg.
Among the felonies:
He traded classified missile technology for Chinese campaign contributions. One of the Chinese agents, John Huang, was given unfettered, uncleared access to Top Secret documents, briefed 37 times by the C.I.A., viewed 500 pieces of raw intelligence, made 261 calls to the Lippo corporate banks, and was a frequent visitor to the White House. Millions of dollars in ILLEGAL campaign funds were funneled into the Clinton/Gore coffers. That is treason, and for that alone, both those SOBs should be UNDER Leavenworth.
Clinton also illegally obtained FBI files on “political enemies” and lied about their existence, but they showed up on Hillary’s desk after a couple of years of being “misplaced”.
The eight year Clinton/Gore crime spree went without a hitch because Janet Reno refused to prosecute.
Abetted by Reno’s lap-dog obstruction of justice, Clinton flushed the integrity of the Office as well as national security down the toilet, and not a peep out of the liberals.

Oh, BTW: His response to the FIVE terrorist attacks against Americans during his term: ZERO. The Embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania, the USS Cole, Khobar Towers, and the first World Trade Center attack in 1993, resulted in Bubba biting his quivering lower lip, tearing up, and doing absolutely nothing…Oh wait, that’s right, he wagged the dog by bombing Kosovo and sending us into Somalia.

US Army SpecOps had that SOB Bin Laden in the cross hairs, and Bubba refused to give the order.

GAWD, the list of reasons for the use of the legal framework in this instance, are endless.

So much for its use.

And if you get your day and are still shot down, then accept it. — BeyondTheBlue

I’ve determined, after 27 years in the infantry, that getting ’shot down’ is not conducive to either (1) mission accomplishment and/or (2) health. I suspect it has something to do with bullets and bodies and general health after the former is introduced into the latter.

Based on that professional observation, I suspect BeyondTheBlue is beyond any reasonable doubt something of a moron. Or maybe he/she just needs more training in English.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Bullets are not conducive to general health....unless you're the one shooting them. -- Rules of Combat]

I must admit, that’s a new angle. Usually when we hear that it comes in the form of “I’ve been a life-long Republican but…”

Assuming what you’re sharing is true ( you sure ’sound’ like an American..? ) it may be a little late to easily implement your otherwise reasonable sounding suggestions. All I have ever heard BO & JB do is immediately paint McCain as a “3rd Bush term”. And since they’ve led in the polls, why bother with anything else?

I think they’ll be disappointed. — DinOR

They will be ‘disappointed’. And, I suspect a goodly number of them, even the ones I saw rebuking a march of McCain supporters in Manhattan, will likely be dead too boot. Nothing like a few thousand dead to get someone’s attention. Too bad the dead can’t benefit from the ‘experience’.

I remember 9/11. It’s really too bad that New Yorkers can’t remember anything before 2004. One would think they had friends, associates or relations who died in the Twin Towers. I, in Denver, had a co-worker who lost her daughter there. And I seem to remember better than they. Must be something in their water….bad Kool-aide….

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Those who cannot remember their past are DOOMED to relive it.]

P.S. Especially if it’s their recent past.

Each side has its share of adherents who are absolutely convinced that the other side is hell-bent on destroying America and all it stands for.

Each side loves to accuse the other of lying, cheating, cronyism, obstructionism, criminal conduct and just plain “un-American”ness. And in most cases, each side is absolutely correct.

Each side is convinced that they are the very model of reasonable, bipartisan politics and the other side is returning nothing but rabid denunciations of their efforts.

Each side has its morons who honestly think that someone on the opposing ticket warrants comparison with Hitler, Stalin, etc.

Each side is convinced that there is a media bias against them.

Each side could quite frankly only benefit from the en-masse neutering of their hysterical fringes.

Each side, if the opposition does in fact win this election, will respond with a slew if vituperation in forums like this one, followed shortly thereafter by rampant apathy.

What the hell is up with this? Enough with the finger-pointing already, your little crowd is just as bad as their little crowd. Opinions like yours are the very reason that political issues have become so poisonous.

If you honestly believe that the President, whoever he or she may be at any given time, has obtained the office fraudulently, there is a legal framework for challenging it. If they don’t listen, then get in their faces until they have no choice. And if you get your day and are still shot down, then accept it.

But until then, you will have that person as your President. As a non-citizen (green card holder only), I don’t have the right to vote here, but either McCain or Obama will nevertheless be my President until or unless sufficient grounds have been incontrovertibly established for removing him from office, and the removal has taken place. And anyone who says differently is sadly deluded.

I love America. I am in fact undertaking a fair amount of effort and expense to establish citizenship here, simply to gain the rights most of you already have. You can be damn sure I will exercise those rights in defense of what I believe is right, and in opposition to what I believe is wrong… but you can also be damn sure I’ll not be a part of the idiot brigade marching at either end of the political spectrum. If anything really does stand in danger of destroying this country, it is the vitriol brought by the wing-nuts of both sides.

That’s the thing I keep coming back to? Just days before the elections in Spain, they had the terrible rail bombings. What made it a tragedy X 2 is that everyone went to the polls and overwhelmingly voted for liberals. Hoping ( I gather ) to appease radicals from further attacks?

Since I can’t get anything of substance from BO supporters, I suppose I’m left to my own devices? If that truly ‘is’ their motivation… just come out and SAY it! Sadly, I think they’ll be disappointed.