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		<title>By: RememberNovember</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2008/10/17/is-joe-the-plumber-fair-game/comment-page-1/#comment-1673320</link>
		<dc:creator>RememberNovember</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 22:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Graeme Frost ring a bell? We have a saying in NY- "If ya don't want it don't ask for it" He knew he'd be thrown to the proverbial wolves the second he opened his mouth. I don't think it's fair to attack the guys personal life- only issues relevant to his inquiry- you know, "putting his money where his mouth is." Maybe he can get a gig on Ghost Hunters...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Graeme Frost ring a bell? We have a saying in NY- &#8220;If ya don&#8217;t want it don&#8217;t ask for it&#8221; He knew he&#8217;d be thrown to the proverbial wolves the second he opened his mouth. I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s fair to attack the guys personal life- only issues relevant to his inquiry- you know, &#8220;putting his money where his mouth is.&#8221; Maybe he can get a gig on Ghost Hunters&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 21:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael Reynolds: Are you imbeciles or liars?

Of the two, I'd pick imbecile since it's a term we both could share. 

Take two aspirin and blog again in the morning.  Things might be clearer then.  You might be able to see past the red rage welling up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael Reynolds: Are you imbeciles or liars?</p>
<p>Of the two, I&#8217;d pick imbecile since it&#8217;s a term we both could share. </p>
<p>Take two aspirin and blog again in the morning.  Things might be clearer then.  You might be able to see past the red rage welling up.</p>
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		<title>By: tjbbpgob</title>
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		<dc:creator>tjbbpgob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 21:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Joe the plumbers real problems will really begin if the annointed one is actually elected. The left will use all sorts of IRS, etc., etc to take this man down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Joe the plumbers real problems will really begin if the annointed one is actually elected. The left will use all sorts of IRS, etc., etc to take this man down.</p>
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		<title>By: michael reynolds</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael reynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 21:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The idea put forward by some commenters here that the politics of personal destruction are a left-wing phenomenon is absolutely bizarre.

How about Rush Limbaugh referring to Chelsea Clinton as "the White House dog?"  How about Congressman Burton shooting watermelons in his back yard in an attempt to prove that Bill Clinton murdered Vince Foster?  How about Swift Boating?  How about John McCain's illegitimate black baby?  How about a multiple amputee war hero who is slandered by being connected with Osama Bin Laden?  And none of you seem to want to answer the point that has been repeated here:  Graeme Frost.

This entire campaign as carried on most right-wing blogs has been a campaign of personal destruction. It's all you've got.  Muslim Obama, foreigner Obama, terrorist Obama, corrupt Obama, America-hating Obama.  I will happily bet any of you that there are more attacks on Obama online than there are on McCain.  

Limbaugh, Hannity, Ann Coulter, Michael Savage, O'Reilly and you clowns are going to sit there wallowing in sanctimony about personal attacks?  

Are you imbeciles or liars?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The idea put forward by some commenters here that the politics of personal destruction are a left-wing phenomenon is absolutely bizarre.</p>
<p>How about Rush Limbaugh referring to Chelsea Clinton as &#8220;the White House dog?&#8221;  How about Congressman Burton shooting watermelons in his back yard in an attempt to prove that Bill Clinton murdered Vince Foster?  How about Swift Boating?  How about John McCain&#8217;s illegitimate black baby?  How about a multiple amputee war hero who is slandered by being connected with Osama Bin Laden?  And none of you seem to want to answer the point that has been repeated here:  Graeme Frost.</p>
<p>This entire campaign as carried on most right-wing blogs has been a campaign of personal destruction. It&#8217;s all you&#8217;ve got.  Muslim Obama, foreigner Obama, terrorist Obama, corrupt Obama, America-hating Obama.  I will happily bet any of you that there are more attacks on Obama online than there are on McCain.  </p>
<p>Limbaugh, Hannity, Ann Coulter, Michael Savage, O&#8217;Reilly and you clowns are going to sit there wallowing in sanctimony about personal attacks?  </p>
<p>Are you imbeciles or liars?</p>
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		<title>By: cedarhill</title>
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		<dc:creator>cedarhill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 20:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The right wing blogs would certainly go after a Joe the Plumber if McCain had been the one tripped.  

However, it would only be to make sure the Joe was not an operative for a Left organization or a Left activist. I've seen this happen before (go check the pedigree of the person).  Usually, the person is just an ordinary person and the right turns on themselves and would attack McCain.

Only the Left gleefully goes after folks. Tomorrow they'll likely report that Larry Flint has offered $1million dollars to anyone, especially a male, that can say they had sex or thought they might have had sex with Joe the Plumber.

Having said all this, Joe the Plumber could have shut the press off.  I've seen photos of him answering questions in his yard circled by at least a dozen news people.  And his appearances on TV shows?  Since he chose celebrity, then that's what they do to celebrities.  I would suspect he's heard of Paris Hilton?  He may have even watched things like Extra!, etc.  Thus, I think he chose to be chased and could have avoided most of it.  Having stepped into the limelight many times, he's now just another celebrity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The right wing blogs would certainly go after a Joe the Plumber if McCain had been the one tripped.  </p>
<p>However, it would only be to make sure the Joe was not an operative for a Left organization or a Left activist. I&#8217;ve seen this happen before (go check the pedigree of the person).  Usually, the person is just an ordinary person and the right turns on themselves and would attack McCain.</p>
<p>Only the Left gleefully goes after folks. Tomorrow they&#8217;ll likely report that Larry Flint has offered $1million dollars to anyone, especially a male, that can say they had sex or thought they might have had sex with Joe the Plumber.</p>
<p>Having said all this, Joe the Plumber could have shut the press off.  I&#8217;ve seen photos of him answering questions in his yard circled by at least a dozen news people.  And his appearances on TV shows?  Since he chose celebrity, then that&#8217;s what they do to celebrities.  I would suspect he&#8217;s heard of Paris Hilton?  He may have even watched things like Extra!, etc.  Thus, I think he chose to be chased and could have avoided most of it.  Having stepped into the limelight many times, he&#8217;s now just another celebrity.</p>
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		<title>By: SkipKent</title>
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		<dc:creator>SkipKent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 20:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are we Republicans always the first to berate and flog ourselves for crimes we haven't committed?

Are you seriously trying to convince me that, if McCain made some telling gaff in answering a question from a citizen, after purposely soliciting that question in the first place, that we ourselves would then ignore the facts and try to assassinate the character of the citizen who asked the question?

I don't buy it for a second.  The same introspection that leads you to ask that question is the same introspection that would shame us from harassing a citizen who asked an honest if not difficult question.

Here is the enemy, he is us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are we Republicans always the first to berate and flog ourselves for crimes we haven&#8217;t committed?</p>
<p>Are you seriously trying to convince me that, if McCain made some telling gaff in answering a question from a citizen, after purposely soliciting that question in the first place, that we ourselves would then ignore the facts and try to assassinate the character of the citizen who asked the question?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t buy it for a second.  The same introspection that leads you to ask that question is the same introspection that would shame us from harassing a citizen who asked an honest if not difficult question.</p>
<p>Here is the enemy, he is us.</p>
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		<title>By: Lex Apostata</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lex Apostata</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 20:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Graeme Frost.  Remember him?  12-year-old kid, testified about the S-CHIP program, got Swift-boated as a result?  Turned out almost everything used to attack him and his family was fabricated?

Here's the problem with politics of personal destruction:  it ensures that the country is NEVER properly led, by anyone.  You go into office with 49.5% of the country despising you and convinced that your election was illegitimate.

It's not right to pick on stupid Joe W. and it wasn't right to pick on Graeme Frost.  You know why it happens?  Because it sells ads.  Let's face it, if we didn't lap it up, it wouldn't get bounced around the blogosphere and into the press.  You want to end these sorts of pointless attacks, don't perpetrate them youself, and more importantly, ignore them whenever someone tries to get the ball rolling again.  After awhile, the tactic will subside.

(The McCain campaign's attempt to substitute a message of "why to vote for McCain" with a message of "why Obama is the (Moslem) Anti-Christ" seemed to have the opposite of the desired effect, driving down McCain's numbers far more than it drove down Obama's.  Maybe Obama's polls will be damaged by Joe-bashing, and thus both sides will start thinking twice about the politics of personal destruction.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Graeme Frost.  Remember him?  12-year-old kid, testified about the S-CHIP program, got Swift-boated as a result?  Turned out almost everything used to attack him and his family was fabricated?</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the problem with politics of personal destruction:  it ensures that the country is NEVER properly led, by anyone.  You go into office with 49.5% of the country despising you and convinced that your election was illegitimate.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not right to pick on stupid Joe W. and it wasn&#8217;t right to pick on Graeme Frost.  You know why it happens?  Because it sells ads.  Let&#8217;s face it, if we didn&#8217;t lap it up, it wouldn&#8217;t get bounced around the blogosphere and into the press.  You want to end these sorts of pointless attacks, don&#8217;t perpetrate them youself, and more importantly, ignore them whenever someone tries to get the ball rolling again.  After awhile, the tactic will subside.</p>
<p>(The McCain campaign&#8217;s attempt to substitute a message of &#8220;why to vote for McCain&#8221; with a message of &#8220;why Obama is the (Moslem) Anti-Christ&#8221; seemed to have the opposite of the desired effect, driving down McCain&#8217;s numbers far more than it drove down Obama&#8217;s.  Maybe Obama&#8217;s polls will be damaged by Joe-bashing, and thus both sides will start thinking twice about the politics of personal destruction.)</p>
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		<title>By: headhunt23</title>
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		<dc:creator>headhunt23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 20:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would the right wing really do it?  I seem to remember when unfair questions were asked by "independent" voters in the primaries that the right wing dug up that those people had Democrat party or other left wing ties.  

That seems to be fair game.

However, I don't remember the right wing publishing personal addresses, misdemeanor arrest records or anything not related to the question.

So, I take issue with your premise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would the right wing really do it?  I seem to remember when unfair questions were asked by &#8220;independent&#8221; voters in the primaries that the right wing dug up that those people had Democrat party or other left wing ties.  </p>
<p>That seems to be fair game.</p>
<p>However, I don&#8217;t remember the right wing publishing personal addresses, misdemeanor arrest records or anything not related to the question.</p>
<p>So, I take issue with your premise.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Tucson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck Tucson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 18:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are hard, but fair Hyman. We must be ever vigilant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are hard, but fair Hyman. We must be ever vigilant.</p>
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		<title>By: Hyman Roth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hyman Roth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 18:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Giving liberals a millimeter of slack is self-defeating.  

You will never be repaid in kind for courtesy shown to liberals.  

You will never see facts acknowledged, or differing viewpoints accepted, by a liberal.  

You will never see boundaries respected or rules followed by a liberal.

Conservatives can coddle them if they choose.  They have been warned about how liberals behave.  When the liberals break their heart, my shoulder will not be available to cry on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Giving liberals a millimeter of slack is self-defeating.  </p>
<p>You will never be repaid in kind for courtesy shown to liberals.  </p>
<p>You will never see facts acknowledged, or differing viewpoints accepted, by a liberal.  </p>
<p>You will never see boundaries respected or rules followed by a liberal.</p>
<p>Conservatives can coddle them if they choose.  They have been warned about how liberals behave.  When the liberals break their heart, my shoulder will not be available to cry on.</p>
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