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		<title>By: Right Wing Nut House &#187; REMAKING THE RIGHTROOTS</title>
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		<dc:creator>Right Wing Nut House &#187; REMAKING THE RIGHTROOTS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 13:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] OBAMA: THE NEW LEFT TRIUMPHANT RELUCTANTLY - COMMENTS OPEN AGAIN THE MORAL COWARDICE OF SARAH PALIN IN DEFENSE OF PEGGY NOONAN (AND OTHER CONSERVATIVE APOSTATES) &#8216;FROM THE BEIRUT BOMBING TO 9/11&#8242; A BREATH OF AUTHENTICITY AMIDST THE CAMPAIGN&#8217;S [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] OBAMA: THE NEW LEFT TRIUMPHANT RELUCTANTLY - COMMENTS OPEN AGAIN THE MORAL COWARDICE OF SARAH PALIN IN DEFENSE OF PEGGY NOONAN (AND OTHER CONSERVATIVE APOSTATES) &#8216;FROM THE BEIRUT BOMBING TO 9/11&#8242; A BREATH OF AUTHENTICITY AMIDST THE CAMPAIGN&#8217;S [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 04:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Noonan didn't apply the same scrutiny to Obama.  She is so obsessed with Palin she completely overlooks Obama's lack of qualifications.  This why she is considered to be exactly what she is.  At least in this election all of the lukewarm RINO types can finally go away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noonan didn&#8217;t apply the same scrutiny to Obama.  She is so obsessed with Palin she completely overlooks Obama&#8217;s lack of qualifications.  This why she is considered to be exactly what she is.  At least in this election all of the lukewarm RINO types can finally go away.</p>
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		<title>By: memomachine</title>
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		<dc:creator>memomachine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 01:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmmm.

Sooo.  Disagreeing with people who share your viewpoint is anti-intellectualism?

Good luck with that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmmm.</p>
<p>Sooo.  Disagreeing with people who share your viewpoint is anti-intellectualism?</p>
<p>Good luck with that.</p>
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		<title>By: grognard</title>
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		<dc:creator>grognard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 16:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Political conversations with the right and left are always the same thing. Both sides open their Book of Holy Unassailable Truths, take a big gulp of kool aid, and spew at the other side for every ill known to mankind. Neither side takes the time for an honest evaluation of their beliefs, it is always some rant about the other side. The only real intellectual movement left in this country is in the middle, and because we disagree with both sides we get the venom from everybody. If Conservatism is going to go back to the intellectual roots of W. F. Buckley the first step will be to get rid of Limbaugh and Coulter, good luck with that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Political conversations with the right and left are always the same thing. Both sides open their Book of Holy Unassailable Truths, take a big gulp of kool aid, and spew at the other side for every ill known to mankind. Neither side takes the time for an honest evaluation of their beliefs, it is always some rant about the other side. The only real intellectual movement left in this country is in the middle, and because we disagree with both sides we get the venom from everybody. If Conservatism is going to go back to the intellectual roots of W. F. Buckley the first step will be to get rid of Limbaugh and Coulter, good luck with that.</p>
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		<title>By: funny man</title>
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		<dc:creator>funny man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 05:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your excellent piece. The danger of anti-intellectualism is to make conservatism irrelevant. I often do not agree with you but that is the whole point about a debate! Now every movement has to evolve and that doesn't happen in a productive way without time to reflect, time to think and discuss. However, if that ends up in a shouting match with outlandish accusations flying then we are missing something.

Sometime ago I read in a conservative blog something along the line (paraphrasing here): there will be a split in politics soon, not between liberals and conservatives but between arrogant elites and real Americans; between healthy football jocks and sexy, fertile Sarah Palins and asocial dorks and 'elitist' misfits. 

Sure, I could laugh this off if I didn't know that is exactly how a lot of folks on 'my side' feel. I always want to remind people that there is absolutely nothing wrong or 'elitist' about being an intellectual. Some people might also not like the economic reality that America is to a large part wealthy because of the East and West Coast and places like Chicago and Detroit in between. Sure, they are the democratic strongholds but as conservatives we should never write those places of or dismiss them. They are our creative engine and not Amarillo/TX(sorry guys, nothing personal).
I'm rambling, probably because I'm happy I can give my 2 cents again, thanks Rick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your excellent piece. The danger of anti-intellectualism is to make conservatism irrelevant. I often do not agree with you but that is the whole point about a debate! Now every movement has to evolve and that doesn&#8217;t happen in a productive way without time to reflect, time to think and discuss. However, if that ends up in a shouting match with outlandish accusations flying then we are missing something.</p>
<p>Sometime ago I read in a conservative blog something along the line (paraphrasing here): there will be a split in politics soon, not between liberals and conservatives but between arrogant elites and real Americans; between healthy football jocks and sexy, fertile Sarah Palins and asocial dorks and &#8216;elitist&#8217; misfits. </p>
<p>Sure, I could laugh this off if I didn&#8217;t know that is exactly how a lot of folks on &#8216;my side&#8217; feel. I always want to remind people that there is absolutely nothing wrong or &#8216;elitist&#8217; about being an intellectual. Some people might also not like the economic reality that America is to a large part wealthy because of the East and West Coast and places like Chicago and Detroit in between. Sure, they are the democratic strongholds but as conservatives we should never write those places of or dismiss them. They are our creative engine and not Amarillo/TX(sorry guys, nothing personal).<br />
I&#8217;m rambling, probably because I&#8217;m happy I can give my 2 cents again, thanks Rick</p>
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		<title>By: BriefSynopsis</title>
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		<dc:creator>BriefSynopsis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 01:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Am I misreading your musings? Or are you implying/concluding that "all" republicans are conservatives?  Remember that it was the press that coined the term "neo-con", primarily because back then they could not maintain their credibility by call W a conservative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I misreading your musings? Or are you implying/concluding that &#8220;all&#8221; republicans are conservatives?  Remember that it was the press that coined the term &#8220;neo-con&#8221;, primarily because back then they could not maintain their credibility by call W a conservative.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 21:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can't believe I just read this post.

There are aspects of both ideologies that I like, so I don't vote by party, but I'm probably more left than right.

I've always enjoyed the opinions of those like Will and Brooks, primarily because they discuss ideology in a logical way. I don't necessarily agree with their conclusions, but at least I can understand them.

This election cycle I visited many right-wing blogs to get some discussion going. Many wouldn't let me even post because I was questioning something about McCain. Of those who let me post, responses to my message was simply to dismiss what I stated.

It concerns me that the anti-intellectual bias seems to be rising and that the only things worth expressing are filled with vehemence against "the other side". That anyone who lives in a urban environment, is educated and has a religious belief that is not that of a christian fundamentalist is a liberal anti-American.

So it was good to read something thoughtful, but I don't agree with this: 

"Obama is an elitist because he has demonstrated a belief that he is in a special class of Americans and that he shares this high status with the monied, the powerful, and other liberals who actually believe that the rest of us are sheep..."

How does Obama manifest this perception in you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t believe I just read this post.</p>
<p>There are aspects of both ideologies that I like, so I don&#8217;t vote by party, but I&#8217;m probably more left than right.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always enjoyed the opinions of those like Will and Brooks, primarily because they discuss ideology in a logical way. I don&#8217;t necessarily agree with their conclusions, but at least I can understand them.</p>
<p>This election cycle I visited many right-wing blogs to get some discussion going. Many wouldn&#8217;t let me even post because I was questioning something about McCain. Of those who let me post, responses to my message was simply to dismiss what I stated.</p>
<p>It concerns me that the anti-intellectual bias seems to be rising and that the only things worth expressing are filled with vehemence against &#8220;the other side&#8221;. That anyone who lives in a urban environment, is educated and has a religious belief that is not that of a christian fundamentalist is a liberal anti-American.</p>
<p>So it was good to read something thoughtful, but I don&#8217;t agree with this: </p>
<p>&#8220;Obama is an elitist because he has demonstrated a belief that he is in a special class of Americans and that he shares this high status with the monied, the powerful, and other liberals who actually believe that the rest of us are sheep&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>How does Obama manifest this perception in you?</p>
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		<title>By: Nagarajan Sivakumar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nagarajan Sivakumar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 20:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick,
              You are missing the point entirely here. Just like Noonan did. Obama has been running for President for the last two years - and he has come up with a tax policy which is punitive liberalism at its finest. His stance on Iran is all over the place ( ranging from "i will meet Ahmedinejad without pre-conditions" to "Ahmedinejad may not even be the President when I want to talk" to  " never mind, the real power is in the hands of Khoeimini").

Do you know what exactly is his stance on Iraq if say for example the SoFA does not get finalized by this year end? Do you know that he is not going to stray away from his 16 month withdrawal timeline no matter what the conditions on the ground are?

I did not see Peggy Noonan, David Brooks or just about any of those who jumped ship ask these questions about Obama? All that i have heard is how greatly intellectual he is and that he knows Neihbur !

If Noonan wants to scrutinize policy positions of candidates running for office let her do so. But this is a two way street - she did not exactly do this exercise with Obama, did she ? Have we ever read a column from her where she tries to study Obama's position on the major issues of the day and whether she agrees with them or not ?

Correct me if i am wrong, but I Have'nt.Noonan would have some ground to stand on if she gave a little more scrutiny to Obama's positions in the last one year than what she has given to Palin in the last 8 weeks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick,<br />
              You are missing the point entirely here. Just like Noonan did. Obama has been running for President for the last two years - and he has come up with a tax policy which is punitive liberalism at its finest. His stance on Iran is all over the place ( ranging from &#8220;i will meet Ahmedinejad without pre-conditions&#8221; to &#8220;Ahmedinejad may not even be the President when I want to talk&#8221; to  &#8221; never mind, the real power is in the hands of Khoeimini&#8221;).</p>
<p>Do you know what exactly is his stance on Iraq if say for example the SoFA does not get finalized by this year end? Do you know that he is not going to stray away from his 16 month withdrawal timeline no matter what the conditions on the ground are?</p>
<p>I did not see Peggy Noonan, David Brooks or just about any of those who jumped ship ask these questions about Obama? All that i have heard is how greatly intellectual he is and that he knows Neihbur !</p>
<p>If Noonan wants to scrutinize policy positions of candidates running for office let her do so. But this is a two way street - she did not exactly do this exercise with Obama, did she ? Have we ever read a column from her where she tries to study Obama&#8217;s position on the major issues of the day and whether she agrees with them or not ?</p>
<p>Correct me if i am wrong, but I Have&#8217;nt.Noonan would have some ground to stand on if she gave a little more scrutiny to Obama&#8217;s positions in the last one year than what she has given to Palin in the last 8 weeks.</p>
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		<title>By: Stuck in Blue Iowa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stuck in Blue Iowa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 18:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There indeed is a subtle wind that the conservative movement is to be flushed of these “elites” who (gasp) still expect that our politicians ought to be deep and curious thinkers.

We shut these people out at our own peril. The founding fathers tenaciously embraced the principles of individual freedom and limited government. A few of these men were common folk. Many of them were not. All of them had a deep curiosity of political science, history and the role of government. They read Cato. They read philosophy. They exchanged ideas vigorously in an attempt to learn from others, advance their ideas and create a better system of government.

The intent to throw these people out of our movement is emotion over logical thinking. It is a function of an age where every crackpot comment is exposed on the internet, where it is easy to convince the masses that “they” intend not only to defeat us politically, but destroy our very way of life.

That being said, there is legitimate concern that an Obama presidency holds potentially disastrous consequences, the likes of which this country has not seen for almost 40 years. This is not because of Obama. This is because with Obama, Pelosi and Reid running the show we see the possibility of real, dramatic and catastrophic changes in our future.

Think card check, capital gains tax increases, corporate tax increases, social security tax increases, massive cuts in intelligence and defense spending, cap and trade, a radical 6-3 (or worse) majority in the Supreme Court, the fairness doctrine and a policy of appeasement. It does not take an active imagination to see that the intellectual notion of limited government for the benefit of individual people and families dying a quick and painful death.

Many friends tell me not to worry, that there is no way Obama will purse all of these radical proposals once the campaigning is over. Perhaps, but with Pelosi and Reid running the hill who is going to stop him? It’s a gamble that should make even intellectual conservatives very nervous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There indeed is a subtle wind that the conservative movement is to be flushed of these “elites” who (gasp) still expect that our politicians ought to be deep and curious thinkers.</p>
<p>We shut these people out at our own peril. The founding fathers tenaciously embraced the principles of individual freedom and limited government. A few of these men were common folk. Many of them were not. All of them had a deep curiosity of political science, history and the role of government. They read Cato. They read philosophy. They exchanged ideas vigorously in an attempt to learn from others, advance their ideas and create a better system of government.</p>
<p>The intent to throw these people out of our movement is emotion over logical thinking. It is a function of an age where every crackpot comment is exposed on the internet, where it is easy to convince the masses that “they” intend not only to defeat us politically, but destroy our very way of life.</p>
<p>That being said, there is legitimate concern that an Obama presidency holds potentially disastrous consequences, the likes of which this country has not seen for almost 40 years. This is not because of Obama. This is because with Obama, Pelosi and Reid running the show we see the possibility of real, dramatic and catastrophic changes in our future.</p>
<p>Think card check, capital gains tax increases, corporate tax increases, social security tax increases, massive cuts in intelligence and defense spending, cap and trade, a radical 6-3 (or worse) majority in the Supreme Court, the fairness doctrine and a policy of appeasement. It does not take an active imagination to see that the intellectual notion of limited government for the benefit of individual people and families dying a quick and painful death.</p>
<p>Many friends tell me not to worry, that there is no way Obama will purse all of these radical proposals once the campaigning is over. Perhaps, but with Pelosi and Reid running the hill who is going to stop him? It’s a gamble that should make even intellectual conservatives very nervous.</p>
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		<title>By: Conservative, Average Joe and Proud of It &#171; Retractable Horns &#38; Tail</title>
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		<dc:creator>Conservative, Average Joe and Proud of It &#171; Retractable Horns &#38; Tail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 07:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] be increasingly resentful of the criticism that certain &#8220;conservative&#8221; writers such as Peggy Noonan, David Brooks, and Kathleen Parker have received for their remarks about John McCain&#8217;s [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] be increasingly resentful of the criticism that certain &#8220;conservative&#8221; writers such as Peggy Noonan, David Brooks, and Kathleen Parker have received for their remarks about John McCain&#8217;s [...]</p>
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