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		<title>By: busboy33</title>
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		<dc:creator>busboy33</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@my manager:

. . . these were jokes, right?  the links . . . you're making fun of the paintings and the people at these links, right?

Please tell me you're joking . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@my manager:</p>
<p>. . . these were jokes, right?  the links . . . you&#8217;re making fun of the paintings and the people at these links, right?</p>
<p>Please tell me you&#8217;re joking . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From Newt Gingrich:

"I was saddened to learn that at a time of national trial, when a president-elect is preparing to take office in the midst of the worst financial crisis in over seventy years, that the Republican National Committee is engaged in the sort of negative, attack politics that the voters rejected in the 2006 and 2008 election cycles.

The recent web advertisement, "Questions Remain," is a destructive distraction. Clearly, we should insist that all taped communications regarding the Senate seat should be made public. However, that should be a matter of public policy, not an excuse for political attack."

For once I agree with him..

&lt;em&gt;I agree too. No call for trying to drag Obama into something he probably is clean on.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Emanuel and "Advisor B" - that's another question. Emanuel is probably safe but people are going to ask why he didn't go to the feds when it became obvious Blago was going pay to play on the senate seat.

ed.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Newt Gingrich:</p>
<p>&#8220;I was saddened to learn that at a time of national trial, when a president-elect is preparing to take office in the midst of the worst financial crisis in over seventy years, that the Republican National Committee is engaged in the sort of negative, attack politics that the voters rejected in the 2006 and 2008 election cycles.</p>
<p>The recent web advertisement, &#8220;Questions Remain,&#8221; is a destructive distraction. Clearly, we should insist that all taped communications regarding the Senate seat should be made public. However, that should be a matter of public policy, not an excuse for political attack.&#8221;</p>
<p>For once I agree with him..</p>
<p><em>I agree too. No call for trying to drag Obama into something he probably is clean on.</em></p>
<p><em>Emanuel and &#8220;Advisor B&#8221; - that&#8217;s another question. Emanuel is probably safe but people are going to ask why he didn&#8217;t go to the feds when it became obvious Blago was going pay to play on the senate seat.</p>
<p>ed.</em></p>
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		<title>By: RWA</title>
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		<dc:creator>RWA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can we draft Mike Fortner now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can we draft Mike Fortner now?</p>
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		<title>By: Busboy's manager</title>
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		<dc:creator>Busboy's manager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 20:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2busboy33 said "The only people I ever recall that claimed he and his “disciples” thought he walked on water were the Right"

No wonder you're a busboy. Where do you think the right got this from, clueless? Look, clown, by posting here you've simply shown how uninformed and utterly out of touch you people on the left are. First, it's widespread that this occurred, from Obama's own words (claiming God has sent him to help his people) to the AP phots of Obama with a Biblical glow behind him as Oprah and others refered to him as the chosen one. Search engines are your friend. Here's some results that took me two seconds. 

1. Farrakhan 
Farrakhan on Obama: 'The Messiah is absolutely speaking' 
YouTube - Farrakhan calls Barack Obama the Messiah 

Is Farrakhan on the right?

2. 


3. 

Messianic rhetoric infuses Obama rallies - Ben Smith and David Paul ... 
From fervent S.C. to frigid N.H, candidate-and-celebrity duo make base ... Oprah Winfrey described Obama in near-messianic language in South Carolina, ...
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1207/7281.html 

Were the right at his rallies?

4. Democratic Wings: Gayle King on Oprah and Friends XM Radio is an ... 
also for more on Oprah's XM channel and Obama, see Oprah's Messiah... Obama Links. Barack Obama: Oprah's Messiah or False Prophet? Study Proves Media Bias ...
http://www.democraticwings.com/democraticwings/archives/politics/003463.php 

5. Collection here:
http://obamamessiah.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2busboy33 said &#8220;The only people I ever recall that claimed he and his “disciples” thought he walked on water were the Right&#8221;</p>
<p>No wonder you&#8217;re a busboy. Where do you think the right got this from, clueless? Look, clown, by posting here you&#8217;ve simply shown how uninformed and utterly out of touch you people on the left are. First, it&#8217;s widespread that this occurred, from Obama&#8217;s own words (claiming God has sent him to help his people) to the AP phots of Obama with a Biblical glow behind him as Oprah and others refered to him as the chosen one. Search engines are your friend. Here&#8217;s some results that took me two seconds. </p>
<p>1. Farrakhan<br />
Farrakhan on Obama: &#8216;The Messiah is absolutely speaking&#8217;<br />
YouTube - Farrakhan calls Barack Obama the Messiah </p>
<p>Is Farrakhan on the right?</p>
<p>2. </p>
<p>3. </p>
<p>Messianic rhetoric infuses Obama rallies - Ben Smith and David Paul &#8230;<br />
From fervent S.C. to frigid N.H, candidate-and-celebrity duo make base &#8230; Oprah Winfrey described Obama in near-messianic language in South Carolina, &#8230;<br />
<a href="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1207/7281.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1207/7281.html</a> </p>
<p>Were the right at his rallies?</p>
<p>4. Democratic Wings: Gayle King on Oprah and Friends XM Radio is an &#8230;<br />
also for more on Oprah&#8217;s XM channel and Obama, see Oprah&#8217;s Messiah&#8230; Obama Links. Barack Obama: Oprah&#8217;s Messiah or False Prophet? Study Proves Media Bias &#8230;<br />
<a href="http://www.democraticwings.com/democraticwings/archives/politics/003463.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.democraticwings.com/democraticwings/archives/politics/003463.php</a> </p>
<p>5. Collection here:<br />
<a href="http://obamamessiah.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://obamamessiah.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: busboy33</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still don't see where y'all are getting the Immaculate Obama argument that you're now shooting full of holes.  Who said he was was incapable of telling a lie?  Not him.  Not his people.  Not the biased liberal MSM (if they did I missed it, and I try to watch all the way to the fringe hippies so I would have expected to catch some extreme silliness like that).  Not the blogs.  Not his supporters.

The only people I ever recall that claimed he and his "disciples" thought he walked on water were the Right -- and it certainly appeared as if before, during, and after the election it was being used mockingly.  As in, of course he's not a saint, and only a fool would think he was. Heck, he lied to Browkaw (I think) about not smoking last week.  Sure, he used the lawyer-dodge of careful choice in vocabulary, but I'd call it a lie, and so did everybody I know -- and none of them dropped dead from shock.  Most of them (myself included) chuckled knowingly, having told the same obvious psuedo-lie to avoid having to explain that we still wanted to have a friggin cigarette, and having been busted just as easily.

I honestly don't think I've seen a more perfect illustration of the Straw Man fallacy in reality. 
 
If some credible or sizeable person/group in the Middle/Left of America truly believed in his inability to ever be anything less than 100% completely forthright and truthful, I honestly missed it and please tell me.  If not, I back to as long as he's not taking, giving or agreeing to bribes . . . so what?  I keep hearing "cover-up".  What's being covered up?  
I understand the Opposition is excited at the prospect of getting their attack on, but much like the "He wasn't born in America" meme this is (without anything more) absolutely NOT the hill the Right Opposition wants to stage the assault from.  Between this and the "we'll scuttle a million-plus American blue-collar jobs at Christmas to bust Unions immediately after giving the bankers a wheelbarrow full of gold" nonsense The Elephants in the Senate are pulling, it seems to an outsider like the Right is intentionally trying to alienate even more voters, and doing an effective job at it too.  
Despite any philosophical differences I may have with Repubs, I've always respected (or feared) their unrivaled skill at controlling the message, feeling the pulse of the populace and driving the public -- much like McCain during the campaign, this is an entirely different beast than I remember.


off-topic: saw McCain on Letterman the other day.  Where the hell has he been for a year?!?  THATS the guy I wanted to vote for -- straight-talk John is back!  Well, Palin would've nixed it for me, but McCain/AnybodyElse I'd have pulled the red lever over Obama/Biden in a heartbeat . . . and I like Biden.  One of the few Blues I have the slightest respect for.

Welcome back, Senator.  I know I speak for alot of non-Reds when I say we missed you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still don&#8217;t see where y&#8217;all are getting the Immaculate Obama argument that you&#8217;re now shooting full of holes.  Who said he was was incapable of telling a lie?  Not him.  Not his people.  Not the biased liberal MSM (if they did I missed it, and I try to watch all the way to the fringe hippies so I would have expected to catch some extreme silliness like that).  Not the blogs.  Not his supporters.</p>
<p>The only people I ever recall that claimed he and his &#8220;disciples&#8221; thought he walked on water were the Right &#8212; and it certainly appeared as if before, during, and after the election it was being used mockingly.  As in, of course he&#8217;s not a saint, and only a fool would think he was. Heck, he lied to Browkaw (I think) about not smoking last week.  Sure, he used the lawyer-dodge of careful choice in vocabulary, but I&#8217;d call it a lie, and so did everybody I know &#8212; and none of them dropped dead from shock.  Most of them (myself included) chuckled knowingly, having told the same obvious psuedo-lie to avoid having to explain that we still wanted to have a friggin cigarette, and having been busted just as easily.</p>
<p>I honestly don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve seen a more perfect illustration of the Straw Man fallacy in reality. </p>
<p>If some credible or sizeable person/group in the Middle/Left of America truly believed in his inability to ever be anything less than 100% completely forthright and truthful, I honestly missed it and please tell me.  If not, I back to as long as he&#8217;s not taking, giving or agreeing to bribes . . . so what?  I keep hearing &#8220;cover-up&#8221;.  What&#8217;s being covered up?<br />
I understand the Opposition is excited at the prospect of getting their attack on, but much like the &#8220;He wasn&#8217;t born in America&#8221; meme this is (without anything more) absolutely NOT the hill the Right Opposition wants to stage the assault from.  Between this and the &#8220;we&#8217;ll scuttle a million-plus American blue-collar jobs at Christmas to bust Unions immediately after giving the bankers a wheelbarrow full of gold&#8221; nonsense The Elephants in the Senate are pulling, it seems to an outsider like the Right is intentionally trying to alienate even more voters, and doing an effective job at it too.<br />
Despite any philosophical differences I may have with Repubs, I&#8217;ve always respected (or feared) their unrivaled skill at controlling the message, feeling the pulse of the populace and driving the public &#8212; much like McCain during the campaign, this is an entirely different beast than I remember.</p>
<p>off-topic: saw McCain on Letterman the other day.  Where the hell has he been for a year?!?  THATS the guy I wanted to vote for &#8212; straight-talk John is back!  Well, Palin would&#8217;ve nixed it for me, but McCain/AnybodyElse I&#8217;d have pulled the red lever over Obama/Biden in a heartbeat . . . and I like Biden.  One of the few Blues I have the slightest respect for.</p>
<p>Welcome back, Senator.  I know I speak for alot of non-Reds when I say we missed you.</p>
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		<title>By: B.Poster</title>
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		<dc:creator>B.Poster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 02:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What kind of scandals will be breaking by this time next year?  None.  The main stream media will cover them all up and all alternative sources of mews media be shut down.  Often times the main stream news media will cover things because they know if they don't the alternative media will and they will look stupid.  This is the reason the Blago scandal is being covered.  By this time next year there will be no alternative news media.  Obama and his Democrat ccontrolled Congress will have shut down all sources of media in America that are not pro-Obama.  As such, there will be no scandals involving Obama or his allies breaking this time next year.

If any scandals are breaking this time next year, they will be involving Obama's enemies.  No illegal or unethical actions involving Obama's enemies?  No problem.  Team Obama and his friends in the news media will make them up.  There will be no alternative news media to counter the charges.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What kind of scandals will be breaking by this time next year?  None.  The main stream media will cover them all up and all alternative sources of mews media be shut down.  Often times the main stream news media will cover things because they know if they don&#8217;t the alternative media will and they will look stupid.  This is the reason the Blago scandal is being covered.  By this time next year there will be no alternative news media.  Obama and his Democrat ccontrolled Congress will have shut down all sources of media in America that are not pro-Obama.  As such, there will be no scandals involving Obama or his allies breaking this time next year.</p>
<p>If any scandals are breaking this time next year, they will be involving Obama&#8217;s enemies.  No illegal or unethical actions involving Obama&#8217;s enemies?  No problem.  Team Obama and his friends in the news media will make them up.  There will be no alternative news media to counter the charges.</p>
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