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	<description>Politics served up with a smile... And a stilletto.</description>
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		<title>By: headhunt23</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2009/01/27/when-will-tony-flip/comment-page-1/#comment-1756944</link>
		<dc:creator>headhunt23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 05:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug,

I don't think they ever say "Democrat"...and, on David Palmer's bio on the 24 site, no party affiliation is given...I could be wrong...haven't seen that season in a few years, but I don't recall either the D or the R words used.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think they ever say &#8220;Democrat&#8221;&#8230;and, on David Palmer&#8217;s bio on the 24 site, no party affiliation is given&#8230;I could be wrong&#8230;haven&#8217;t seen that season in a few years, but I don&#8217;t recall either the D or the R words used.</p>
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		<title>By: The MaryHunter</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2009/01/27/when-will-tony-flip/comment-page-1/#comment-1756942</link>
		<dc:creator>The MaryHunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 00:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug, thanks for the clarifications. My brain can't keep up with all the admin and party flip flops. Comes from having three kids under 9 y.o. 

&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/24_(TV_series)#Recurring_plot_devices" rel="nofollow"&gt;Wikipedia has a synopsis&lt;/a&gt; of all this craziness with length of term information. Man, Jack has been at it a long time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug, thanks for the clarifications. My brain can&#8217;t keep up with all the admin and party flip flops. Comes from having three kids under 9 y.o. </p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/24_(TV_series)#Recurring_plot_devices" rel="nofollow">Wikipedia has a synopsis</a> of all this craziness with length of term information. Man, Jack has been at it a long time.</p>
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		<title>By: jazplyr</title>
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		<dc:creator>jazplyr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 19:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoops! I put my ignorance out there for the world to see. The browser cooperated when I came to my senses. Now the system contains yet another player. Again, thanks Rick, for the tip.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoops! I put my ignorance out there for the world to see. The browser cooperated when I came to my senses. Now the system contains yet another player. Again, thanks Rick, for the tip.</p>
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		<title>By: jazplyr</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2009/01/27/when-will-tony-flip/comment-page-1/#comment-1756939</link>
		<dc:creator>jazplyr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 16:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Also, every episode is available here:

http://www.fox.com/24/

15 sec commercials for the most part".

ed.

My favorite browser (Mozilla) for some mysterious reason doesn't like the Fox server and prevents downloading yet another media player (and I thought I had every player available). Maybe I'll use MSIE, AIM, Safari, etc. to get the download but, thanks for the tip.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Also, every episode is available here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.fox.com/24/" rel="nofollow">http://www.fox.com/24/</a></p>
<p>15 sec commercials for the most part&#8221;.</p>
<p>ed.</p>
<p>My favorite browser (Mozilla) for some mysterious reason doesn&#8217;t like the Fox server and prevents downloading yet another media player (and I thought I had every player available). Maybe I&#8217;ll use MSIE, AIM, Safari, etc. to get the download but, thanks for the tip.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Mataconis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Mataconis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 18:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>headhunt,

In Season One, David Palmer was running in the California Democratic Primary. 

But I agree that political analysis doesn't really make sense here. After all, the whole Keeler to Logan to Gardner transition (where we're supposed to believe that America had three Presidents over the course of 4 years) is something that has never happened in American history and likely never will

On the Walker thing, are we supposed to believe that Bill/Chloe still had Jack wired when she was shot ? There wasn't that much on-screen evidence of that, but I guess it's possible.

It's also worth noting that, right now, we're still watching shows that were written and filmed before last year's writers strike. As I understand it, the "new" post-strike content starts with Episode 9.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>headhunt,</p>
<p>In Season One, David Palmer was running in the California Democratic Primary. </p>
<p>But I agree that political analysis doesn&#8217;t really make sense here. After all, the whole Keeler to Logan to Gardner transition (where we&#8217;re supposed to believe that America had three Presidents over the course of 4 years) is something that has never happened in American history and likely never will</p>
<p>On the Walker thing, are we supposed to believe that Bill/Chloe still had Jack wired when she was shot ? There wasn&#8217;t that much on-screen evidence of that, but I guess it&#8217;s possible.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also worth noting that, right now, we&#8217;re still watching shows that were written and filmed before last year&#8217;s writers strike. As I understand it, the &#8220;new&#8221; post-strike content starts with Episode 9.</p>
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		<title>By: headhunt23</title>
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		<dc:creator>headhunt23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 17:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On location....he may have said "ditch" at some point which would have clued in Cloe and Bill where to find them...or, bill and Cloe may have parked in a location to get a site line on the van and see where they were, which is how they were able to get there about 2-4 minutes after Jack and company left.

On the political affiliations...uh...I dont' think anyone shoud read too much into that.  Why is it necessary to assume that David and Wayne Palmer were necessarily Democrats?  Why can't they just all be of some nameless, faceless party?  Personally, I would find it hard to believe that a guy like Noah Daniels could get the Veep nod in the same party that was nominating Wayne Palmer.  I think you need to suspend analysis a little bit here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On location&#8230;.he may have said &#8220;ditch&#8221; at some point which would have clued in Cloe and Bill where to find them&#8230;or, bill and Cloe may have parked in a location to get a site line on the van and see where they were, which is how they were able to get there about 2-4 minutes after Jack and company left.</p>
<p>On the political affiliations&#8230;uh&#8230;I dont&#8217; think anyone shoud read too much into that.  Why is it necessary to assume that David and Wayne Palmer were necessarily Democrats?  Why can&#8217;t they just all be of some nameless, faceless party?  Personally, I would find it hard to believe that a guy like Noah Daniels could get the Veep nod in the same party that was nominating Wayne Palmer.  I think you need to suspend analysis a little bit here.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Mataconis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Mataconis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 15:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, here's what ruined the episode for me (in addition to the disaster that is President Allison Taylor):

At the very beginning when Bill and Chloe rescue Agent Walker, they say that Jack told them where to find her.

When did that happen ? We certainly didn't see Jack do it on screen, and it's hard to believe that he would have been able to call Bill or Chloe while sitting in a delivery truck with Emerson and his goons.

&lt;em&gt;Before they left "CTU East" as I call their hideout in Washington, Chloe affixed a listening device to Jack. &lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;But that still doesn't explain how they knew exactly where to go to find Renee. 

ed.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, here&#8217;s what ruined the episode for me (in addition to the disaster that is President Allison Taylor):</p>
<p>At the very beginning when Bill and Chloe rescue Agent Walker, they say that Jack told them where to find her.</p>
<p>When did that happen ? We certainly didn&#8217;t see Jack do it on screen, and it&#8217;s hard to believe that he would have been able to call Bill or Chloe while sitting in a delivery truck with Emerson and his goons.</p>
<p><em>Before they left &#8220;CTU East&#8221; as I call their hideout in Washington, Chloe affixed a listening device to Jack. </em></p>
<p><em>But that still doesn&#8217;t explain how they knew exactly where to go to find Renee. </p>
<p>ed.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Doug Mataconis</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2009/01/27/when-will-tony-flip/comment-page-1/#comment-1756889</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Mataconis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 15:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neo,

Rumor has it that Logan is still alive in the 24 universe (Renee Walker said as much in the season premier when she said he was still living at his ranch)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo,</p>
<p>Rumor has it that Logan is still alive in the 24 universe (Renee Walker said as much in the season premier when she said he was still living at his ranch)</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Mataconis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Mataconis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 15:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maryhunter,

No, Daniels was Wayne Palmer's VP. He took over after Wayne was incapacitated during a fairly implausible terrorist attack inside the White House itself. Then, he took over again after Wayne's recover proved short-lived. Palmer was never shown as dying on screen, but the fact that Daniels was President when Taylor took over would indicate than he never did.

Charles Logan's Vice-President was Hal Gardner who took over at the end of Season 5 when Logan was arrested.

We know Logan was a Republican because he was VP to John Keeler, who ran against, and apparently defeated, David Palmer after the end of Season 2.

David Palmer was a Democrat and, presumably, Wayne, who served as his Chief of Staff for a time, was as well. 

That means Daniels was a Democrat and Taylor is a Republican.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maryhunter,</p>
<p>No, Daniels was Wayne Palmer&#8217;s VP. He took over after Wayne was incapacitated during a fairly implausible terrorist attack inside the White House itself. Then, he took over again after Wayne&#8217;s recover proved short-lived. Palmer was never shown as dying on screen, but the fact that Daniels was President when Taylor took over would indicate than he never did.</p>
<p>Charles Logan&#8217;s Vice-President was Hal Gardner who took over at the end of Season 5 when Logan was arrested.</p>
<p>We know Logan was a Republican because he was VP to John Keeler, who ran against, and apparently defeated, David Palmer after the end of Season 2.</p>
<p>David Palmer was a Democrat and, presumably, Wayne, who served as his Chief of Staff for a time, was as well. </p>
<p>That means Daniels was a Democrat and Taylor is a Republican.</p>
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		<title>By: Neo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 06:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;other corrupt president whose name escapes me, who is now under house arrest&lt;/i&gt;

I think his wife killed him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>other corrupt president whose name escapes me, who is now under house arrest</i></p>
<p>I think his wife killed him.</p>
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