Comments on: WILL US GUARANTEE THE LEGITIMACY OF THE IRANIAN REGIME? http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2009/01/29/will-us-guarantee-the-legitimacy-of-the-iranian-regime/ Politics served up with a smile... And a stilletto. Tue, 28 Apr 2026 12:56:23 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: elixelx http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2009/01/29/will-us-guarantee-the-legitimacy-of-the-iranian-regime/comment-page-1/#comment-1756994 elixelx Sun, 01 Feb 2009 00:34:42 +0000 http://rightwingnuthouse.com/?p=3252#comment-1756994 "Guarantee the Legitimacy and the Sovereignty of Iran OR of the Iranian Regime"??? If Barry is saying that the COUNTRY, IRAN, is legitimate and sovereign what's he giving them?? We all know that! And if Barry says that the REGIME OF THE MULLAHS is legitimate and sovereign, all he's doing is making sure that if there is an internal revolution the Mullahs can ask the US for help and that the Pahlavis can never come back to power! It all looks so innocuous!1 And what will Barry do for his next Iranian trick? Well, if the Mullah's do get their bomb, he can do nothing; after all he cannot interfere in the affairs of a legitimate and sovereign Nation! So it comes down to this: that, if Israel attacks the Mullah Regime after they get their bomb, Barry will have to choose between TWO legitimate and Sovereign Nations, and that means he will do nothing and feel himself justified in doing nothing. This kind of recognition of the "legitimacy and sovereignty" of a REGIME rather than a COUNTRY is a stealth alliance with that regime, and delegitimises all opposition to that regime. That's the danger of Barry's approach: it is utterly PACIFIST, and that suits him and his acolytes just fine! “Guarantee the Legitimacy and the Sovereignty of Iran OR of the Iranian Regime”???
If Barry is saying that the COUNTRY, IRAN, is legitimate and sovereign what’s he giving them?? We all know that!
And if Barry says that the REGIME OF THE MULLAHS is legitimate and sovereign, all he’s doing is making sure that if there is an internal revolution the Mullahs can ask the US for help and that the Pahlavis can never come back to power!
It all looks so innocuous!1
And what will Barry do for his next Iranian trick? Well, if the Mullah’s do get their bomb, he can do nothing; after all he cannot interfere in the affairs of a legitimate and sovereign Nation!
So it comes down to this: that, if Israel attacks the Mullah Regime after they get their bomb, Barry will have to choose between TWO legitimate and Sovereign Nations, and that means he will do nothing and feel himself justified in doing nothing.
This kind of recognition of the “legitimacy and sovereignty” of a REGIME rather than a COUNTRY is a stealth alliance with that regime, and delegitimises all opposition to that regime.
That’s the danger of Barry’s approach: it is utterly PACIFIST, and that suits him and his acolytes just fine!

]]> By: Neal J. King http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2009/01/29/will-us-guarantee-the-legitimacy-of-the-iranian-regime/comment-page-1/#comment-1756933 Neal J. King Fri, 30 Jan 2009 09:49:49 +0000 http://rightwingnuthouse.com/?p=3252#comment-1756933 It seems fairly basic to me that, if you are trying to open up a channel of communication with someone, you give them a hint that you're not out to destroy them. Particularly when there's been so much noise in the last 2 years about either a direct U.S. attack, or a win-and-a-nod to Israel. It seems fairly basic to me that, if you are trying to open up a channel of communication with someone, you give them a hint that you’re not out to destroy them.

Particularly when there’s been so much noise in the last 2 years about either a direct U.S. attack, or a win-and-a-nod to Israel.

]]> By: Chris Schandevel http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2009/01/29/will-us-guarantee-the-legitimacy-of-the-iranian-regime/comment-page-1/#comment-1756931 Chris Schandevel Fri, 30 Jan 2009 07:24:25 +0000 http://rightwingnuthouse.com/?p=3252#comment-1756931 Wow. Crazy stuff, but what did we expect? By the way, I’ve just started a new blog that will be highlighting the dangerous advances of the secular progressive movement (pro-gay “rights”, pro-abortion, anti-religious freedoms, etc). We’re looking to build a solid group of conservatives who’ll frequent our site regularly and contribute to some good discussions. The site gets updated daily with breaking news, so you’ll want to check back often, or you can just sign up for our <a href="http://religionandmorality.wordpress.com/feed/" rel="nofollow">News Feed</a>. If you’ll add us to your blogroll we’ll gladly add you to ours. Our blog is called <a href="http://religionandmorality.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">Religion and Morality</a>. Thanks! Wow. Crazy stuff, but what did we expect?

By the way, I’ve just started a new blog that will be highlighting the dangerous advances of the secular progressive movement (pro-gay “rights”, pro-abortion, anti-religious freedoms, etc).

We’re looking to build a solid group of conservatives who’ll frequent our site regularly and contribute to some good discussions. The site gets updated daily with breaking news, so you’ll want to check back often, or you can just sign up for our News Feed.

If you’ll add us to your blogroll we’ll gladly add you to ours. Our blog is called Religion and Morality.

Thanks!

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]]> By: Chuck Tucson http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2009/01/29/will-us-guarantee-the-legitimacy-of-the-iranian-regime/comment-page-1/#comment-1756921 Chuck Tucson Thu, 29 Jan 2009 21:16:38 +0000 http://rightwingnuthouse.com/?p=3252#comment-1756921 <blockquote>I hate to interrupt this beautiful dream you’re having but in what universe does the Iranian leadership care what their own people think about democracy and human rights? </blockquote> It's not that they care what the people think, it's that if the people start to notice the sweet smell of the capitalism pie that's cooling in the window right next door, they might be more motivated to pressure the leadership to get a piece of that pie. It's obviously not without problems, but if the Iranian leadership notices a sea change in the attitude of it's people, it might be more willing to work with us and give up the nuke aspirations, at the risk of diminished power. Aspirations which seem to only be held by a tiny minority of the leadership anyway.

I hate to interrupt this beautiful dream you’re having but in what universe does the Iranian leadership care what their own people think about democracy and human rights?

It’s not that they care what the people think, it’s that if the people start to notice the sweet smell of the capitalism pie that’s cooling in the window right next door, they might be more motivated to pressure the leadership to get a piece of that pie.

It’s obviously not without problems, but if the Iranian leadership notices a sea change in the attitude of it’s people, it might be more willing to work with us and give up the nuke aspirations, at the risk of diminished power. Aspirations which seem to only be held by a tiny minority of the leadership anyway.

]]> By: gregdn http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2009/01/29/will-us-guarantee-the-legitimacy-of-the-iranian-regime/comment-page-1/#comment-1756920 gregdn Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:48:28 +0000 http://rightwingnuthouse.com/?p=3252#comment-1756920 You've written much about how attacking Iran would be a bad idea. Wouldn't this merely formalize such thinking? And wouldn't any such 'guarantee' be contingent on Iran not doing something stupid? <em>You are right about my position. I have even written that guaranteeing Iranian soveriegnty is a good idea - if they stop enriching uranium in the bargain. He is essentially giving away our best chips before the negotiation game even starts. ed.</em> You’ve written much about how attacking Iran would be a bad idea. Wouldn’t this merely formalize such thinking? And wouldn’t any such ‘guarantee’ be contingent on Iran not doing something stupid?

You are right about my position. I have even written that guaranteeing Iranian soveriegnty is a good idea - if they stop enriching uranium in the bargain. He is essentially giving away our best chips before the negotiation game even starts.

ed.

]]> By: Chuck Tucson http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2009/01/29/will-us-guarantee-the-legitimacy-of-the-iranian-regime/comment-page-1/#comment-1756919 Chuck Tucson Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:28:23 +0000 http://rightwingnuthouse.com/?p=3252#comment-1756919 <blockquote>This is a pretty bad idea in my view.</blockquote> What if it's part of a bigger picture? If Iraq does eventually become a functional democracy, biting the bullet and and creating some kind of semi functional relationship with Iran might eventually lead to commerce channels opening up between Iraq/Iran, and the US by proxy. If the Iraq experiment does work, then there will be a lot of people in Iran that might want to work towards that model because it's right next door, and seems to be working. Inserting ourselves into that process might do more for commerce and, eventually, human rights in the long run. <em>I hate to interrupt this beautiful dream you're having but in what universe does the Iranian leadership care what their own people think about democracy and human rights? </em> <em>As far as commerce, I don't think there's much of a market for anything the Iranians sell except oil. We can help them a helluva lot more than they can help us - their oil output has dropped 25% since Ahmadinejad took over. Pure incompetence is the reason - he put true believers in the oil ministry and purged the technocrats. </em> <em>There very well may be a "big picture" I am missing - hopefully some kind of regional effort at easing tensions. For that, Iran must renounce enrichment - bottom line. Don't think that's a possibility. ed.</em>

This is a pretty bad idea in my view.

What if it’s part of a bigger picture? If Iraq does eventually become a functional democracy, biting the bullet and and creating some kind of semi functional relationship with Iran might eventually lead to commerce channels opening up between Iraq/Iran, and the US by proxy.

If the Iraq experiment does work, then there will be a lot of people in Iran that might want to work towards that model because it’s right next door, and seems to be working. Inserting ourselves into that process might do more for commerce and, eventually, human rights in the long run.

I hate to interrupt this beautiful dream you’re having but in what universe does the Iranian leadership care what their own people think about democracy and human rights?

As far as commerce, I don’t think there’s much of a market for anything the Iranians sell except oil. We can help them a helluva lot more than they can help us - their oil output has dropped 25% since Ahmadinejad took over. Pure incompetence is the reason - he put true believers in the oil ministry and purged the technocrats.

There very well may be a “big picture” I am missing - hopefully some kind of regional effort at easing tensions. For that, Iran must renounce enrichment - bottom line. Don’t think that’s a possibility.

ed.

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