<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
	>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: OBAMA IS FUMBLING HIS FIRST SNAP FROM CENTER</title>
	<atom:link href="http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2009/01/31/obama-is-fumbling-his-first-snap-from-center/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2009/01/31/obama-is-fumbling-his-first-snap-from-center/</link>
	<description>Politics served up with a smile... And a stilletto.</description>
	<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2026 12:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7</generator>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
		<item>
		<title>By: Postagoras</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2009/01/31/obama-is-fumbling-his-first-snap-from-center/comment-page-1/#comment-1757030</link>
		<dc:creator>Postagoras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 19:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://rightwingnuthouse.com/?p=3260#comment-1757030</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I did a piece last week on Obama’s first few days in office and was rightly chastised by some who thought it a bit premature to be judging the performance of a president who had been in office for so short a time.

Yeah, so bite me.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I'm getting the notion that this is not one of your "high minded" essays.
&lt;blockquote&gt;In truth, the “Stimulus Package” may be slipping under the bus – at least the package in its present incarnation.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Well duh.  The Democratic majority in the House crafted a bill, and so did the Democratic majority in the Senate.  The House passes a bill, the Senate passes a bill, and then it goes to committee for reconciliation.  The President, meanwhile, is triangulating between all the parties, including (gasp!) the Republicans.  This is not throwing it under the bus... this is how Congress works, for better or for worse.  I guess you have an issue regarding understanding of Congress.
&lt;blockquote&gt;Clearly, the White House has lost control of the process in Congress as support among the public plummets; only 42% now support the stimulus down from the mid-50’s last week. The White House PR strategy is obviously failing.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Sorry, Rick, but you have no clue as to what the White House strategy is.  You see a bill that you think is bad, and I agree... it's larded up with unnecessary stuff.  And it's the kind of bill that is easy to demagogue against... there's something in it for EVERYONE to hate.  Now, if President Obama is stupid, then he will use up all his Bully Pulpit chits on getting it passed just the way that Pelosi and Reid want it.  But maybe, just maybe, that's NOT his goal.

I agree that "the new Administration is feeling its way in Congress."  But having a Democratic majority and a Democratic President does not mean that they will be anywhere CLOSE to lockstep.

Sorry if this comment was too high-minded.  I know that you get annoyed if the comments don't match the tone of your post.  I tried.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I did a piece last week on Obama’s first few days in office and was rightly chastised by some who thought it a bit premature to be judging the performance of a president who had been in office for so short a time.</p>
<p>Yeah, so bite me.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m getting the notion that this is not one of your &#8220;high minded&#8221; essays.</p>
<blockquote><p>In truth, the “Stimulus Package” may be slipping under the bus – at least the package in its present incarnation.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well duh.  The Democratic majority in the House crafted a bill, and so did the Democratic majority in the Senate.  The House passes a bill, the Senate passes a bill, and then it goes to committee for reconciliation.  The President, meanwhile, is triangulating between all the parties, including (gasp!) the Republicans.  This is not throwing it under the bus&#8230; this is how Congress works, for better or for worse.  I guess you have an issue regarding understanding of Congress.</p>
<blockquote><p>Clearly, the White House has lost control of the process in Congress as support among the public plummets; only 42% now support the stimulus down from the mid-50’s last week. The White House PR strategy is obviously failing.</p></blockquote>
<p>Sorry, Rick, but you have no clue as to what the White House strategy is.  You see a bill that you think is bad, and I agree&#8230; it&#8217;s larded up with unnecessary stuff.  And it&#8217;s the kind of bill that is easy to demagogue against&#8230; there&#8217;s something in it for EVERYONE to hate.  Now, if President Obama is stupid, then he will use up all his Bully Pulpit chits on getting it passed just the way that Pelosi and Reid want it.  But maybe, just maybe, that&#8217;s NOT his goal.</p>
<p>I agree that &#8220;the new Administration is feeling its way in Congress.&#8221;  But having a Democratic majority and a Democratic President does not mean that they will be anywhere CLOSE to lockstep.</p>
<p>Sorry if this comment was too high-minded.  I know that you get annoyed if the comments don&#8217;t match the tone of your post.  I tried.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: obamathered</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2009/01/31/obama-is-fumbling-his-first-snap-from-center/comment-page-1/#comment-1757008</link>
		<dc:creator>obamathered</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 06:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://rightwingnuthouse.com/?p=3260#comment-1757008</guid>
		<description>Oh, Chris. The urgency is predicated on the ability of folks to read. Dems hate that literarcy shit, and Exhibit 1 is their public education system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, Chris. The urgency is predicated on the ability of folks to read. Dems hate that literarcy shit, and Exhibit 1 is their public education system.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: funny man</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2009/01/31/obama-is-fumbling-his-first-snap-from-center/comment-page-1/#comment-1757007</link>
		<dc:creator>funny man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 05:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://rightwingnuthouse.com/?p=3260#comment-1757007</guid>
		<description>Rick,
thanks for clarifying. Truth be told, this sounds rather Kafkaesque. So people played around with securities that they thought had worth but then they didn't. However, some people made some really good money, didn't they? You did a good job though to convince me we are in quite a mess. At least plenty of stuff for future novelists; does that also fall under stimulus package?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick,<br />
thanks for clarifying. Truth be told, this sounds rather Kafkaesque. So people played around with securities that they thought had worth but then they didn&#8217;t. However, some people made some really good money, didn&#8217;t they? You did a good job though to convince me we are in quite a mess. At least plenty of stuff for future novelists; does that also fall under stimulus package?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Gaia's Child</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2009/01/31/obama-is-fumbling-his-first-snap-from-center/comment-page-1/#comment-1757006</link>
		<dc:creator>Gaia's Child</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 04:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://rightwingnuthouse.com/?p=3260#comment-1757006</guid>
		<description>There is no way that I can defend the stimulus bill that passed in the house.  I agree it is loaded with pork.  I hope that it is streamlined in the Senate and I believe that it will be.  Also, as a democrat, I hope that Obama learns from this fisaco.  If he is going to try to govern as a centerist then he is going to have to fight the left wing of his own party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no way that I can defend the stimulus bill that passed in the house.  I agree it is loaded with pork.  I hope that it is streamlined in the Senate and I believe that it will be.  Also, as a democrat, I hope that Obama learns from this fisaco.  If he is going to try to govern as a centerist then he is going to have to fight the left wing of his own party.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2009/01/31/obama-is-fumbling-his-first-snap-from-center/comment-page-1/#comment-1756993</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 00:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://rightwingnuthouse.com/?p=3260#comment-1756993</guid>
		<description>I have never understood the urgency to act that is being communicated by the White House. Bush did this and so is Obama. We have already seen that dumping money into this blackhole doesn't solve the problem. It delays the inevitable for a short time. Actual thought and work to solving the problems takes time. The panic reaction has gotten us nowhere.

Obama wants this big bill to demonstrate his leadership ability, for people to know "I won". To his advantage, Obama has the same Congress that knows no other solutions other than to throw money at the problem.

The bill is attractive to Democrats because it has all of their dream programs. The problem is it clearly will not work as you have pointed out. Currently they are operating like a monkey with a hand in the cookie jar. They have a handful of cookies but the hole in the jar is too small to get their stuffed hands out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have never understood the urgency to act that is being communicated by the White House. Bush did this and so is Obama. We have already seen that dumping money into this blackhole doesn&#8217;t solve the problem. It delays the inevitable for a short time. Actual thought and work to solving the problems takes time. The panic reaction has gotten us nowhere.</p>
<p>Obama wants this big bill to demonstrate his leadership ability, for people to know &#8220;I won&#8221;. To his advantage, Obama has the same Congress that knows no other solutions other than to throw money at the problem.</p>
<p>The bill is attractive to Democrats because it has all of their dream programs. The problem is it clearly will not work as you have pointed out. Currently they are operating like a monkey with a hand in the cookie jar. They have a handful of cookies but the hole in the jar is too small to get their stuffed hands out.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Is Obama Displaying Incompetence? &#171;</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2009/01/31/obama-is-fumbling-his-first-snap-from-center/comment-page-1/#comment-1756972</link>
		<dc:creator>Is Obama Displaying Incompetence? &#171;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 20:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://rightwingnuthouse.com/?p=3260#comment-1756972</guid>
		<description>[...] Obama Displaying&#160;Incompetence?  Rick Moran thinks so. On major issues regarding competence, understanding of Congress, and opposition [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Obama Displaying&nbsp;Incompetence?  Rick Moran thinks so. On major issues regarding competence, understanding of Congress, and opposition [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: funny man</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2009/01/31/obama-is-fumbling-his-first-snap-from-center/comment-page-1/#comment-1756966</link>
		<dc:creator>funny man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 19:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://rightwingnuthouse.com/?p=3260#comment-1756966</guid>
		<description>Folks,
I just have a few questions that I honestly don't understand. Forget about politics for a second, not the same old Pelosi this, Obama that.
What I understand is that a lot of people took out bad loans that they couldn't really pay. So than some banks default because they are not getting their money. Why is this a big deal? Is the money gone or if not, who has it? I also know that the worth of money is not an equivalent of gold but 'trust in the American economy'. Does that mean it is all virtual money? Where are all those trillions of dollars? Please help me out here before we trash all these proposals because I have the sinking feeling that neither 'liberal' nor 'conservative' economists have any idea what they are talking about.

&lt;em&gt;Much, much more complex. Banks took those loans, bundled them together, and sold them as securities to banks like Lehman and Morgan Stanley. Those biggies then bundled them into even bigger packages and sold them around the world. A market developed for them in the stratosphere of high finance and these pieces of paper were bought and sold numerous times, each profit or loss being recorded as if the damn things had actual value outside of the small market that was trading in them.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;When housing prices collapsed, the bubble burst on these mortgage backed securities. All of a sudden, you had trillions of dollars in paper that no one knew what they were worth. They sure weren't worth what people had been trading them for.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;These are known now as "toxic assets." I don't understand the mechanism for trading them except it was a small change to an obscure law that allowed these securities. Passed in 1999 by a Republican Congress and signed into law by a Democratic president. In short, the libs are right for saying you can't blame this on people who took out bad loans. That amount is a pittance compared to the amount in bad paper carried under these mortgage backed securities around the world. It might top $13 trillion dollars when the value of all bad mortgages is around $1.2 trillion.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Basically, we have a banking system that has less than zero net worth. That's why everyone is so afraid we will have a depression.

ed.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Folks,<br />
I just have a few questions that I honestly don&#8217;t understand. Forget about politics for a second, not the same old Pelosi this, Obama that.<br />
What I understand is that a lot of people took out bad loans that they couldn&#8217;t really pay. So than some banks default because they are not getting their money. Why is this a big deal? Is the money gone or if not, who has it? I also know that the worth of money is not an equivalent of gold but &#8216;trust in the American economy&#8217;. Does that mean it is all virtual money? Where are all those trillions of dollars? Please help me out here before we trash all these proposals because I have the sinking feeling that neither &#8216;liberal&#8217; nor &#8216;conservative&#8217; economists have any idea what they are talking about.</p>
<p><em>Much, much more complex. Banks took those loans, bundled them together, and sold them as securities to banks like Lehman and Morgan Stanley. Those biggies then bundled them into even bigger packages and sold them around the world. A market developed for them in the stratosphere of high finance and these pieces of paper were bought and sold numerous times, each profit or loss being recorded as if the damn things had actual value outside of the small market that was trading in them.</em></p>
<p><em>When housing prices collapsed, the bubble burst on these mortgage backed securities. All of a sudden, you had trillions of dollars in paper that no one knew what they were worth. They sure weren&#8217;t worth what people had been trading them for.</em></p>
<p><em>These are known now as &#8220;toxic assets.&#8221; I don&#8217;t understand the mechanism for trading them except it was a small change to an obscure law that allowed these securities. Passed in 1999 by a Republican Congress and signed into law by a Democratic president. In short, the libs are right for saying you can&#8217;t blame this on people who took out bad loans. That amount is a pittance compared to the amount in bad paper carried under these mortgage backed securities around the world. It might top $13 trillion dollars when the value of all bad mortgages is around $1.2 trillion.</em></p>
<p><em>Basically, we have a banking system that has less than zero net worth. That&#8217;s why everyone is so afraid we will have a depression.</p>
<p>ed.</em></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Jim Digriz</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2009/01/31/obama-is-fumbling-his-first-snap-from-center/comment-page-1/#comment-1756965</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Digriz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 19:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://rightwingnuthouse.com/?p=3260#comment-1756965</guid>
		<description>Sara,
Nancy Pelosi is too stupid for such a scheme. The simple explanation is that they thought, because of Obama's popularity, and because of the present crisis, that they would get away with it. And they may yet.

Jim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sara,<br />
Nancy Pelosi is too stupid for such a scheme. The simple explanation is that they thought, because of Obama&#8217;s popularity, and because of the present crisis, that they would get away with it. And they may yet.</p>
<p>Jim</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: cdor</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2009/01/31/obama-is-fumbling-his-first-snap-from-center/comment-page-1/#comment-1756964</link>
		<dc:creator>cdor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 18:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://rightwingnuthouse.com/?p=3260#comment-1756964</guid>
		<description>Sara in va, what's absolutely frightening is that they had no shame in proposing it to begin with. And remember, the bill haspassed the House. We are now relying on Rick's positive assessment that the Senate will stomp it down. The best that can happen is delay, filibuster, and expose. Continue to shine the light of day as public support dwindles into the low 30% range. At that point it might be possible to develope a real stimulus bill of lower taxes and energy grid upgrades only.

One can dream.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sara in va, what&#8217;s absolutely frightening is that they had no shame in proposing it to begin with. And remember, the bill haspassed the House. We are now relying on Rick&#8217;s positive assessment that the Senate will stomp it down. The best that can happen is delay, filibuster, and expose. Continue to shine the light of day as public support dwindles into the low 30% range. At that point it might be possible to develope a real stimulus bill of lower taxes and energy grid upgrades only.</p>
<p>One can dream.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: sara in va</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2009/01/31/obama-is-fumbling-his-first-snap-from-center/comment-page-1/#comment-1756957</link>
		<dc:creator>sara in va</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 16:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://rightwingnuthouse.com/?p=3260#comment-1756957</guid>
		<description>Let's look at this another way.

Suppose the Democrats are so sneaky that they would intentionally load up the bill with ridiculous pork, knowing that we would balk. 

Like terrorists, they are willing to lose a first round, knowing that patience will pay off. They make a show of supporting what they know is crap, knowing that a lot will get cut, but in the end the party gets what it wanted in the first place.

It gets two things. A big "halo" for The Messiah, because he came in, worked things out with his awesome negotiating skills, and oversaw passage of a more streamlined bill (but way too big still for conservatives; and

More government control of business/the economy/our lives.  This experienced, politically savvy bunch now running things must know they can't get everything they want all at once.  So, by appearing to compromise, they get a damn good start.

My guess is that the Democrats/Marxists are laughing their heads off at the simplicity of the plan behind closed doors, as I post this.  They KNEW they'd never get $350,000,000 for STD prevention.  Come on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s look at this another way.</p>
<p>Suppose the Democrats are so sneaky that they would intentionally load up the bill with ridiculous pork, knowing that we would balk. </p>
<p>Like terrorists, they are willing to lose a first round, knowing that patience will pay off. They make a show of supporting what they know is crap, knowing that a lot will get cut, but in the end the party gets what it wanted in the first place.</p>
<p>It gets two things. A big &#8220;halo&#8221; for The Messiah, because he came in, worked things out with his awesome negotiating skills, and oversaw passage of a more streamlined bill (but way too big still for conservatives; and</p>
<p>More government control of business/the economy/our lives.  This experienced, politically savvy bunch now running things must know they can&#8217;t get everything they want all at once.  So, by appearing to compromise, they get a damn good start.</p>
<p>My guess is that the Democrats/Marxists are laughing their heads off at the simplicity of the plan behind closed doors, as I post this.  They KNEW they&#8217;d never get $350,000,000 for STD prevention.  Come on.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
