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		<title>By: mannning</title>
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		<dc:creator>mannning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 20:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The link to the LSU listing of government entities is: 

http://www.lib.lsu.edu/gov/index.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The link to the LSU listing of government entities is: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.lib.lsu.edu/gov/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.lib.lsu.edu/gov/index.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: bsjones</title>
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		<dc:creator>bsjones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 19:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Manning,
I agree 100%.  As citizens and voters we have an entry point to break the cycle of corruption. It is called voting. We can no longer afford to vote for someone to keep our favored party in the majority.

Meat in the freezer. Throw them out.
Cold cash in the freezer. Throw therm out.


This applies equally to T. Dascle and T. Delay types. THEY ALL HAVE TO GO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Manning,<br />
I agree 100%.  As citizens and voters we have an entry point to break the cycle of corruption. It is called voting. We can no longer afford to vote for someone to keep our favored party in the majority.</p>
<p>Meat in the freezer. Throw them out.<br />
Cold cash in the freezer. Throw therm out.</p>
<p>This applies equally to T. Dascle and T. Delay types. THEY ALL HAVE TO GO.</p>
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		<title>By: mannning</title>
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		<dc:creator>mannning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 15:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After reading "Outrage" by Dick Morris, one can surmise that fully a fifth of the national budget can be chalked up to fraud, graft, quasi-legal junketing, subsidies unnecessarily paid out to favorite big farmers, drug companies, the UN, Fannie Mae, for Illegal immigrants, and trade protection, among other extravaganzas. 

If one increases the size of government, one could expect a similar increase in these practices, or even a further penetration and corruption of the political scene, not unlike the so-called stimulus pork project. A billion here, and a billion there, and you soon have a fuly corrupted process.

Before letting government grow to its theoretical service-to-the-people limit, why not insist on cleaning up the fraud and corruption first, and the waste, mismanagement, and deadhead personnel that bloats payrolls and budgets throughout the Departments, Agencies, etc? 

The concept that there just might eventually be one government employee for each civilian so as to cater to the citizen's every wish is perhaps one theoretical limit to be avoided. Once over 50% of the population garners their wages from the US government, we are well on the way to restrictive socialism and who knows what excesses? This would put freedom and liberty for our citizens in great jeopardy.

Let us first concentrate on &lt;i&gt;greater honesty and efficiency of government, legislators, lobbyists, and industry&lt;/i&gt; before allowing insatiable growth of government to satisfy every whim of the "Need and Right" groups. 

Go to the LSU website to see just how many identifiable federal government organizations actually exist, have a staff, and budget. At last report it was 1,177 boards, committees, agencies, commissions, bureaus and the like. Many of these organizations have overlapping charters, separate rules and and a thirst for participation in the business of the day to justify their existence. We have become Russia, governed by 10,000 (or a lot more) clerks, not the leaders.

It is all well and good to deep six the idea of smaller government, but we must have our government honest, minimally invasive of our freedoms and liberties, efficient, and cost-effective. 

&lt;i&gt;You don't get there by opening the door to growth without reform.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading &#8220;Outrage&#8221; by Dick Morris, one can surmise that fully a fifth of the national budget can be chalked up to fraud, graft, quasi-legal junketing, subsidies unnecessarily paid out to favorite big farmers, drug companies, the UN, Fannie Mae, for Illegal immigrants, and trade protection, among other extravaganzas. </p>
<p>If one increases the size of government, one could expect a similar increase in these practices, or even a further penetration and corruption of the political scene, not unlike the so-called stimulus pork project. A billion here, and a billion there, and you soon have a fuly corrupted process.</p>
<p>Before letting government grow to its theoretical service-to-the-people limit, why not insist on cleaning up the fraud and corruption first, and the waste, mismanagement, and deadhead personnel that bloats payrolls and budgets throughout the Departments, Agencies, etc? </p>
<p>The concept that there just might eventually be one government employee for each civilian so as to cater to the citizen&#8217;s every wish is perhaps one theoretical limit to be avoided. Once over 50% of the population garners their wages from the US government, we are well on the way to restrictive socialism and who knows what excesses? This would put freedom and liberty for our citizens in great jeopardy.</p>
<p>Let us first concentrate on <i>greater honesty and efficiency of government, legislators, lobbyists, and industry</i> before allowing insatiable growth of government to satisfy every whim of the &#8220;Need and Right&#8221; groups. </p>
<p>Go to the LSU website to see just how many identifiable federal government organizations actually exist, have a staff, and budget. At last report it was 1,177 boards, committees, agencies, commissions, bureaus and the like. Many of these organizations have overlapping charters, separate rules and and a thirst for participation in the business of the day to justify their existence. We have become Russia, governed by 10,000 (or a lot more) clerks, not the leaders.</p>
<p>It is all well and good to deep six the idea of smaller government, but we must have our government honest, minimally invasive of our freedoms and liberties, efficient, and cost-effective. </p>
<p><i>You don&#8217;t get there by opening the door to growth without reform.</i></p>
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		<title>By: bs jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>bs jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 10:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chazz,

How about a few examples. Are there any examples from history that do not fit your ctiteria?</description>
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<p>How about a few examples. Are there any examples from history that do not fit your ctiteria?</p>
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		<title>By: Chazz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chazz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 02:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The upper limit on the net size of government, Federal, State, and local should be based on affordability, not on some philosophical construct based on presumptive needs. Thereafter, the question should be one of allocation; Conservatives making those decisions based the Constitution. History shows that after the government takes more than about 22% of net income out of a society, decline sets in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The upper limit on the net size of government, Federal, State, and local should be based on affordability, not on some philosophical construct based on presumptive needs. Thereafter, the question should be one of allocation; Conservatives making those decisions based the Constitution. History shows that after the government takes more than about 22% of net income out of a society, decline sets in.</p>
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		<title>By: Nagarajan Sivakumar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nagarajan Sivakumar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 23:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sara,
        I get it now - so there are many organizations that are essentially doing the same thing and dont have a whole lot of differences between them. You ideally would like to support all of them but wouldnt be able to give each of them financial support.

I have never done political grassroots related work- it is hard work, I suppose. But i will add my 2C. 

I think you should choose one or two organizations to give to - before you dontate to them, you also need to do how they use your money. 

Ideally it should be the RNC that takes the lead role in co-ordinating the activities between these groups. But if they dont do that, it is up to you to decide who most deserves your financial support - who does a better job of political organizing/ fighting the fight at the local level,supporting a reasonably conservative candidate in local/state elections etc 

I also believe that volunteering with organizations that you cannot donate to would also be appreciated. Although i could be wrong about this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sara,<br />
        I get it now - so there are many organizations that are essentially doing the same thing and dont have a whole lot of differences between them. You ideally would like to support all of them but wouldnt be able to give each of them financial support.</p>
<p>I have never done political grassroots related work- it is hard work, I suppose. But i will add my 2C. </p>
<p>I think you should choose one or two organizations to give to - before you dontate to them, you also need to do how they use your money. </p>
<p>Ideally it should be the RNC that takes the lead role in co-ordinating the activities between these groups. But if they dont do that, it is up to you to decide who most deserves your financial support - who does a better job of political organizing/ fighting the fight at the local level,supporting a reasonably conservative candidate in local/state elections etc </p>
<p>I also believe that volunteering with organizations that you cannot donate to would also be appreciated. Although i could be wrong about this.</p>
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		<title>By: sara in va</title>
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		<dc:creator>sara in va</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 18:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#12
Bloated was a poor word choice...redundant?  

There are a lot of groups all saying pretty much the same thing.  Kind of like the overlapping advisers, cabinets and offices at the federal level.   And everyone needs money to operate....my inbox is completely full with donation requests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#12<br />
Bloated was a poor word choice&#8230;redundant?  </p>
<p>There are a lot of groups all saying pretty much the same thing.  Kind of like the overlapping advisers, cabinets and offices at the federal level.   And everyone needs money to operate&#8230;.my inbox is completely full with donation requests.</p>
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		<title>By: Nagarajan Sivakumar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nagarajan Sivakumar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 18:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sara in VA,
            I believe that the CPAC has become some kind of a refuge for conservatives. I am not sure i understand your point about them being bloated - they are not funded by taxpayer money, are they ? i am assuming that conservatives dontate to these conferences/meetings etc out of their own interest/free will.

It is almost like people go to the CPAC to get away from the real world where most people dont care about government's role in our lives and the only ones who do "care" want to do the "caring" for  every one else too.

McCain won in the last election season because conservatives did not have much to hang their hat on, other than national defense/surge in Iraq - and since he was the most senior Republican candidate who had legitimate national security credentials and bet on the surge, he seemed to get the votes.

I am not sure if any candidate could have won on the GOP ticket - there were'nt any true conservatives (Romney's health insurance plan in MA and his tepid support for the surge, not to mention his sudden change of heart on abortion did nt help him.) 

I have heard some good things about Paul Ryan, Eric Cantor etc. May be they could be the new leaders of the conservatives in this country ? 

Jindal is still a little too young. And I dont know if Sarah Palin would want to put herself and her family through the kind of outright hatred/loathing from the left. 

I still dont know how Bush got through the last 8 years.I know that he had a strong faith and loving family, but this guy took a lot of crap - with a lot of dignity.

It is going to be a loooooong whatever number of years :-(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sara in VA,<br />
            I believe that the CPAC has become some kind of a refuge for conservatives. I am not sure i understand your point about them being bloated - they are not funded by taxpayer money, are they ? i am assuming that conservatives dontate to these conferences/meetings etc out of their own interest/free will.</p>
<p>It is almost like people go to the CPAC to get away from the real world where most people dont care about government&#8217;s role in our lives and the only ones who do &#8220;care&#8221; want to do the &#8220;caring&#8221; for  every one else too.</p>
<p>McCain won in the last election season because conservatives did not have much to hang their hat on, other than national defense/surge in Iraq - and since he was the most senior Republican candidate who had legitimate national security credentials and bet on the surge, he seemed to get the votes.</p>
<p>I am not sure if any candidate could have won on the GOP ticket - there were&#8217;nt any true conservatives (Romney&#8217;s health insurance plan in MA and his tepid support for the surge, not to mention his sudden change of heart on abortion did nt help him.) </p>
<p>I have heard some good things about Paul Ryan, Eric Cantor etc. May be they could be the new leaders of the conservatives in this country ? </p>
<p>Jindal is still a little too young. And I dont know if Sarah Palin would want to put herself and her family through the kind of outright hatred/loathing from the left. </p>
<p>I still dont know how Bush got through the last 8 years.I know that he had a strong faith and loving family, but this guy took a lot of crap - with a lot of dignity.</p>
<p>It is going to be a loooooong whatever number of years <img src='http://rightwingnuthouse.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: sara in va</title>
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		<dc:creator>sara in va</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 14:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was looking at the CPAC Agenda and tallying up all the speakers and organizations involved in the conference.

Everything sounds peachy, wow, we've got the Taxpayer's Union, and Americans for Limited Government, and Citizens Against Government Waste, and Citizens in Charge, Cato, Heritage, American Conservative Union.....on and on.

We've become nearly as bloated as the freakin' federal government.  Maybe if people weren't so concerned about defending their turfs, we could do a better job fighting the enemy together (there's only so much money available) and maybe win the war, for once.

The liberals do a much better job of organizing, but then, they are experts at bureaucracy and always will be.

Case in point.  All these conservatives and we ended up with McCain.  We suck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was looking at the CPAC Agenda and tallying up all the speakers and organizations involved in the conference.</p>
<p>Everything sounds peachy, wow, we&#8217;ve got the Taxpayer&#8217;s Union, and Americans for Limited Government, and Citizens Against Government Waste, and Citizens in Charge, Cato, Heritage, American Conservative Union&#8230;..on and on.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve become nearly as bloated as the freakin&#8217; federal government.  Maybe if people weren&#8217;t so concerned about defending their turfs, we could do a better job fighting the enemy together (there&#8217;s only so much money available) and maybe win the war, for once.</p>
<p>The liberals do a much better job of organizing, but then, they are experts at bureaucracy and always will be.</p>
<p>Case in point.  All these conservatives and we ended up with McCain.  We suck.</p>
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		<title>By: sara in va</title>
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		<dc:creator>sara in va</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 14:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suppose conservatism will be out of favor until our current course proves untenable.  Meaning, the "gap" between rich and poor is nearly closed, and the poor are finally forced to pay their share.

Anyway, I don't know one conservative who espouses the elimination of government.  Any person who is arguing against conservatism on that plane doesn't know crap.  Logic prevails on the need for government....but I would like for someone to explain to me the rationale behind a federal Office of Faith.  And don't say, hey Bush started it.  It was wrong then, too.

#4, Nagarajan Sivakumar, you rock.  You are an honorary citizen...if you care to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose conservatism will be out of favor until our current course proves untenable.  Meaning, the &#8220;gap&#8221; between rich and poor is nearly closed, and the poor are finally forced to pay their share.</p>
<p>Anyway, I don&#8217;t know one conservative who espouses the elimination of government.  Any person who is arguing against conservatism on that plane doesn&#8217;t know crap.  Logic prevails on the need for government&#8230;.but I would like for someone to explain to me the rationale behind a federal Office of Faith.  And don&#8217;t say, hey Bush started it.  It was wrong then, too.</p>
<p>#4, Nagarajan Sivakumar, you rock.  You are an honorary citizen&#8230;if you care to be.</p>
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