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		<title>By: Michael D. Giles</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2009/03/08/on-failure-obamas-and-americas/comment-page-1/#comment-1758382</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael D. Giles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it interesting that until the 2006 election, the Republicans were in control of Congress, thus the democratic opposition had little effect. The Dems didn't give Bush every soldier and Marine he asked for - other Republicans did. All the Dems demonstrated when they came to power, was the lack of moral courage necessary to change policies they had been criticizing for three years. I guess wasting the lives of American soldiers for a second time was considered politically, a non starter.

In any case, what is it about socialists that makes them believe that if we try it just one more time, this time it will work - despite damn near a hundred years worth of evidence to the contrary? 

And they make fun of evangelicals, as true believers in an "outmoded" religion?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it interesting that until the 2006 election, the Republicans were in control of Congress, thus the democratic opposition had little effect. The Dems didn&#8217;t give Bush every soldier and Marine he asked for - other Republicans did. All the Dems demonstrated when they came to power, was the lack of moral courage necessary to change policies they had been criticizing for three years. I guess wasting the lives of American soldiers for a second time was considered politically, a non starter.</p>
<p>In any case, what is it about socialists that makes them believe that if we try it just one more time, this time it will work - despite damn near a hundred years worth of evidence to the contrary? </p>
<p>And they make fun of evangelicals, as true believers in an &#8220;outmoded&#8221; religion?</p>
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		<title>By: funny man</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2009/03/08/on-failure-obamas-and-americas/comment-page-1/#comment-1758376</link>
		<dc:creator>funny man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 00:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Allen,
ok, but the economy is not exact science. Remember, we are talking about gambling with virtual money. On second thought, I remember Maxwell's demons keeping everything moving (but then doesn't modern quantum physics need them no more?).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allen,<br />
ok, but the economy is not exact science. Remember, we are talking about gambling with virtual money. On second thought, I remember Maxwell&#8217;s demons keeping everything moving (but then doesn&#8217;t modern quantum physics need them no more?).</p>
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		<title>By: Allen</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2009/03/08/on-failure-obamas-and-americas/comment-page-1/#comment-1758375</link>
		<dc:creator>Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 23:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'll take a different tack on this; it's a moot point. There is an assumption out there that higher government spending will stimulate the economy. Long term economic data does not support this. There is an opposing assumption out there that tax cuts will stimulate the economy. Long term economic data does not support this.

I view government fiscal policy as a capacitive Maxwellian element. That is, it reduces the oscillations. Having said that, bank policy is a different matter. The problem we face is not how our economy is growing or shrinking currently. But, do people have a fundamental trust in "money" in all of it's forms?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll take a different tack on this; it&#8217;s a moot point. There is an assumption out there that higher government spending will stimulate the economy. Long term economic data does not support this. There is an opposing assumption out there that tax cuts will stimulate the economy. Long term economic data does not support this.</p>
<p>I view government fiscal policy as a capacitive Maxwellian element. That is, it reduces the oscillations. Having said that, bank policy is a different matter. The problem we face is not how our economy is growing or shrinking currently. But, do people have a fundamental trust in &#8220;money&#8221; in all of it&#8217;s forms?</p>
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		<title>By: funny man</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2009/03/08/on-failure-obamas-and-americas/comment-page-1/#comment-1758374</link>
		<dc:creator>funny man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 22:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a conservative I'd like to know from the many posters here how they get the absolute knowledge something is going to work or not. So what are some of countries where these policies have failed, Germany or Japan? Some of the conservative states are real economic powerhouses like Mississippi, Oklahoma especially compared to Massachusetts or Washington. 
I don't want to put our side down it is just that nobody really knows what works. It might just be that our economic hegemony is slipping away and trust me that is not pretty. Some of the poster who want to build the US up after the predicted meltdown, have you really thought that through? With what? There is a real world out there beyond the Harry Reids or Rush Limbaughs!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a conservative I&#8217;d like to know from the many posters here how they get the absolute knowledge something is going to work or not. So what are some of countries where these policies have failed, Germany or Japan? Some of the conservative states are real economic powerhouses like Mississippi, Oklahoma especially compared to Massachusetts or Washington.<br />
I don&#8217;t want to put our side down it is just that nobody really knows what works. It might just be that our economic hegemony is slipping away and trust me that is not pretty. Some of the poster who want to build the US up after the predicted meltdown, have you really thought that through? With what? There is a real world out there beyond the Harry Reids or Rush Limbaughs!</p>
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		<title>By: jackson1234</title>
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		<dc:creator>jackson1234</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 20:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Apparently the Democrats showed they wanted Bush to fail in Iraq by giving him every single soldier or marine he asked for, every single dollar, every single weapon."

I didn't catch that vibe until Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid announced the war was lost. Then again, he is nowhere near as important figure as a radio personalty who states the obvious about long-discredited economic policies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Apparently the Democrats showed they wanted Bush to fail in Iraq by giving him every single soldier or marine he asked for, every single dollar, every single weapon.&#8221;</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t catch that vibe until Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid announced the war was lost. Then again, he is nowhere near as important figure as a radio personalty who states the obvious about long-discredited economic policies.</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun Mullen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaun Mullen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 19:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A truly lazy effort from start to finish.

Comparing the Iraq war to a massive economic meltdown is disingenuous.  Furthermore, how could the U.S. have "lost" a war that still has not been won?

Comparing some libruls "silent" failure wishes regarding Iraq to some conservatives in-your-face failure wishes cinches it.

This post gets an "F."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A truly lazy effort from start to finish.</p>
<p>Comparing the Iraq war to a massive economic meltdown is disingenuous.  Furthermore, how could the U.S. have &#8220;lost&#8221; a war that still has not been won?</p>
<p>Comparing some libruls &#8220;silent&#8221; failure wishes regarding Iraq to some conservatives in-your-face failure wishes cinches it.</p>
<p>This post gets an &#8220;F.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: michael reynolds</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael reynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 18:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Postagoras:

Apparently the Democrats showed they wanted Bush to fail in Iraq by giving him every single soldier or marine he asked for, every single dollar, every single weapon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Postagoras:</p>
<p>Apparently the Democrats showed they wanted Bush to fail in Iraq by giving him every single soldier or marine he asked for, every single dollar, every single weapon.</p>
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		<title>By: Postagoras</title>
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		<dc:creator>Postagoras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 17:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Wanting Obama to “fail” in this pursuit is very tricky. I would compare it to the left wanting Bush to “fail” in winning the Iraq War. Of course, they would never admit it but in reality, that is what they were advocating. Are they going to try and convince us that they wanted Bush’s war policies to “fail” but they wanted the US to win in Iraq? That’s even too convoluted for a liberal. I grant them their sincerity in opposing the president’s policies in Iraq but is there any other way to look at it except liberals wanted the US to fail? And if there is another way to see it, why not give conservatives the benefit of the doubt in opposing Obama’s economic policies?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Actually, I see nothing intrinsically wrong with Republicans hoping that the President's policies fail.  I think that this IS the principled position for the Republicans.  The more that come out and say it, the better.  As a sound bite, it will certainly be used by either the Republicans or the Democrats in the next elections, depending on what has happened.

So, I agree with your premise about the Republicans.  But when you attempt to give the Republicans "cover" by talking about opposition to the war, you lose me.

The left certainly had distrust of the Bush Administration's ability to pursue a good strategy in Iraq... there were strategic mistakes until they started paying off the Sunnis and set up the surge.  Distrust is not the same as wishing them to fail.

Simply put, your attempt at your usual "They ALL do it" is a lie.  No Democrat with any stature came out and said "I want President Bush's policy in Iraq to fail."  Mostly it was "I'm afraid that Bush's strategy in Iraq will fail... again."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Wanting Obama to “fail” in this pursuit is very tricky. I would compare it to the left wanting Bush to “fail” in winning the Iraq War. Of course, they would never admit it but in reality, that is what they were advocating. Are they going to try and convince us that they wanted Bush’s war policies to “fail” but they wanted the US to win in Iraq? That’s even too convoluted for a liberal. I grant them their sincerity in opposing the president’s policies in Iraq but is there any other way to look at it except liberals wanted the US to fail? And if there is another way to see it, why not give conservatives the benefit of the doubt in opposing Obama’s economic policies?</p></blockquote>
<p>Actually, I see nothing intrinsically wrong with Republicans hoping that the President&#8217;s policies fail.  I think that this IS the principled position for the Republicans.  The more that come out and say it, the better.  As a sound bite, it will certainly be used by either the Republicans or the Democrats in the next elections, depending on what has happened.</p>
<p>So, I agree with your premise about the Republicans.  But when you attempt to give the Republicans &#8220;cover&#8221; by talking about opposition to the war, you lose me.</p>
<p>The left certainly had distrust of the Bush Administration&#8217;s ability to pursue a good strategy in Iraq&#8230; there were strategic mistakes until they started paying off the Sunnis and set up the surge.  Distrust is not the same as wishing them to fail.</p>
<p>Simply put, your attempt at your usual &#8220;They ALL do it&#8221; is a lie.  No Democrat with any stature came out and said &#8220;I want President Bush&#8217;s policy in Iraq to fail.&#8221;  Mostly it was &#8220;I&#8217;m afraid that Bush&#8217;s strategy in Iraq will fail&#8230; again.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dale in NJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dale in NJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 17:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick,

I have sensed a deep conflict within yourself for the past few weeks and this posting has pretty well summed it up.

I have only one question to, what gives our generation the right to encumber so many future generations with a burden that in many areas is not needed and is only being seized as opportunistic expansion of the central committee?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick,</p>
<p>I have sensed a deep conflict within yourself for the past few weeks and this posting has pretty well summed it up.</p>
<p>I have only one question to, what gives our generation the right to encumber so many future generations with a burden that in many areas is not needed and is only being seized as opportunistic expansion of the central committee?</p>
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		<title>By: jackson1234</title>
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		<dc:creator>jackson1234</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 16:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your intellectual honesty here is to be commended. I also want him to fail. But that's moot....

This isn't so much what we want as what will happen. The bottom line is that these type policies have failed everywhere they have been tried. Every day the market casts its verdict on the Obama Administration. It isn't pretty but it is honest because it is completely neutral.

I have concluded that Mr. Obama, who was elected largely due to his opposition to the Iraq War, doesn't have much of a grasp of economics. I wish that weren't the case but it certainly is what we face.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your intellectual honesty here is to be commended. I also want him to fail. But that&#8217;s moot&#8230;.</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t so much what we want as what will happen. The bottom line is that these type policies have failed everywhere they have been tried. Every day the market casts its verdict on the Obama Administration. It isn&#8217;t pretty but it is honest because it is completely neutral.</p>
<p>I have concluded that Mr. Obama, who was elected largely due to his opposition to the Iraq War, doesn&#8217;t have much of a grasp of economics. I wish that weren&#8217;t the case but it certainly is what we face.</p>
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