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	<title>Comments on: A LETTER TO THE TIMES ON BOB HERBERT&#8217;S COLUMN PUSHING A THIRD AIRPORT FOR CHICAGOLAND</title>
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		<title>By: lionheart</title>
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		<dc:creator>lionheart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hope you guys feel better soon.  I've found that large and frequent doses of good scotch cures many ills.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hope you guys feel better soon.  I&#8217;ve found that large and frequent doses of good scotch cures many ills.</p>
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		<title>By: lionheart</title>
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		<dc:creator>lionheart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man, you weren't kidding when you said that you would be blogging less this year.

&lt;em&gt;Actually, Sue and I have been giving each other the same bug for the last 3 weeks. As soon as one of us starts to get better, we have a replapse and our temps spike and the whole cough/sneeze/runny nose thing starts all over.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;I've almost been over the damn thing twice. It's something that happens every spring for some reason - Feb-March. No matter what we do, we can't shake the damn thing.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Anyway, the last few mornings I can barely drag myself around to do my work - no time for the blog. Hopefully, things will get back to normal this week.

ed.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, you weren&#8217;t kidding when you said that you would be blogging less this year.</p>
<p><em>Actually, Sue and I have been giving each other the same bug for the last 3 weeks. As soon as one of us starts to get better, we have a replapse and our temps spike and the whole cough/sneeze/runny nose thing starts all over.</em></p>
<p><em>I&#8217;ve almost been over the damn thing twice. It&#8217;s something that happens every spring for some reason - Feb-March. No matter what we do, we can&#8217;t shake the damn thing.</em></p>
<p><em>Anyway, the last few mornings I can barely drag myself around to do my work - no time for the blog. Hopefully, things will get back to normal this week.</p>
<p>ed.</em></p>
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		<title>By: jackson1234</title>
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		<dc:creator>jackson1234</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While Herbert is a columnist, this does highlight a problem with contemporary journalism. Columnists and reporters regularly either cover or comment on subjects about which they know little or nothing.

In a previous youthful incarnation, I was a reporter and eventually a manager for a major publisher. At that time, which was not really all that long ago, even the smaller dailies had semblances of bureaus and all had beat reporters. Those have disappeared.

I don't dispute the motive you attributed to Herbert. I agree that if his goal is to promote Jesse Jackson, Jr., that also is fine. Where I find the problem, even though he writes opinion, is when he misrepresents (perhaps unintentionally, which makes it evenw worse in a way) basic facts. 

Like it or not, we are a media-driven society. People assume what they read and hear to be an accurate summary of facts. While even desks and beat reporters got things wrong, at least there was a possiblity the editors would catch it. That is the past. We can bitch all we want about how the American people have been dumbed down, but unless they have access to accurate information we can't totally fault them. Yes, they would do independent research in a perfect world but they no longer have the time.

Herbert's readers probably were convinced the Chicago area needs a third airport and this all well and good. I wish your letter would be published, or another like it to illuminate them, but it won't be. That's where the bad motive lies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While Herbert is a columnist, this does highlight a problem with contemporary journalism. Columnists and reporters regularly either cover or comment on subjects about which they know little or nothing.</p>
<p>In a previous youthful incarnation, I was a reporter and eventually a manager for a major publisher. At that time, which was not really all that long ago, even the smaller dailies had semblances of bureaus and all had beat reporters. Those have disappeared.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t dispute the motive you attributed to Herbert. I agree that if his goal is to promote Jesse Jackson, Jr., that also is fine. Where I find the problem, even though he writes opinion, is when he misrepresents (perhaps unintentionally, which makes it evenw worse in a way) basic facts. </p>
<p>Like it or not, we are a media-driven society. People assume what they read and hear to be an accurate summary of facts. While even desks and beat reporters got things wrong, at least there was a possiblity the editors would catch it. That is the past. We can bitch all we want about how the American people have been dumbed down, but unless they have access to accurate information we can&#8217;t totally fault them. Yes, they would do independent research in a perfect world but they no longer have the time.</p>
<p>Herbert&#8217;s readers probably were convinced the Chicago area needs a third airport and this all well and good. I wish your letter would be published, or another like it to illuminate them, but it won&#8217;t be. That&#8217;s where the bad motive lies.</p>
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		<title>By: piscivorous</title>
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		<dc:creator>piscivorous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 07:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For an interesting comparison go back and look at some of the arguments for and against DFW when it was built out in the middle of nowhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For an interesting comparison go back and look at some of the arguments for and against DFW when it was built out in the middle of nowhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Surabaya Stew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Surabaya Stew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 21:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@John - Totally agree with you here! Just like all other NYT op-ed writers, Bob Herbert has a number of different topics that he likes to tell his readers about, but I never heard him mention this before. My first reaction is: "How strange for a New York based commentator to be writing about Chicago airports." Then I realized that he has much less to write about now that Bush Jr. is no longer president, so he has to fill up his column with something else. Must be harder work than he thought...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@John - Totally agree with you here! Just like all other NYT op-ed writers, Bob Herbert has a number of different topics that he likes to tell his readers about, but I never heard him mention this before. My first reaction is: &#8220;How strange for a New York based commentator to be writing about Chicago airports.&#8221; Then I realized that he has much less to write about now that Bush Jr. is no longer president, so he has to fill up his column with something else. Must be harder work than he thought&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 21:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe Herbert should stick to projects closer to home, like that fourth New York airport that's been beating around the project list for the past 40 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe Herbert should stick to projects closer to home, like that fourth New York airport that&#8217;s been beating around the project list for the past 40 years.</p>
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		<title>By: mannning</title>
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		<dc:creator>mannning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 20:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, one could lay down far wider runways and taxiways so that the gigantic A380 and those that follow would have a place to takeoff and land.  In the future, an expansion program to put in parallel runways could be initiated to allow two simultaneous landings or takeoffs just like O'Hare. Then too, a monorail system from the terminals to Downtown Chicago would greatly improve access for the public, and would provide for other construction firms to partake in the contracts and such, including stops at the brothel district, of course.

There would have to be an annual budget with a built in growth of 12% each year to account for some overruns and new "arrangements", with a 5-year boost of 50% to catch up the arrears. All told, a magnificent project for the Machine--oh! and Chicago, eventually...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, one could lay down far wider runways and taxiways so that the gigantic A380 and those that follow would have a place to takeoff and land.  In the future, an expansion program to put in parallel runways could be initiated to allow two simultaneous landings or takeoffs just like O&#8217;Hare. Then too, a monorail system from the terminals to Downtown Chicago would greatly improve access for the public, and would provide for other construction firms to partake in the contracts and such, including stops at the brothel district, of course.</p>
<p>There would have to be an annual budget with a built in growth of 12% each year to account for some overruns and new &#8220;arrangements&#8221;, with a 5-year boost of 50% to catch up the arrears. All told, a magnificent project for the Machine&#8211;oh! and Chicago, eventually&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: busboy33</title>
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		<dc:creator>busboy33</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 20:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@manning:

y'know, there might be some real merit to that.  As Mr.M noted, the political scene in Illinois is corrupt, and almost certainly will stay that way.  By creating a specific centeralized "graft project", you'd essentially have a graft budget so a reasonable expendature could be incorporated into the state's finances, and hopefully by creating a specific feeding trough the pols would be encouraged to stop grafting other projects.  It could be like "heroin parks" for politicians.  And since the project is something nobody actually wants built, there would be no negative consequenes when it never gets finished.

I'm smelling a winner, here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@manning:</p>
<p>y&#8217;know, there might be some real merit to that.  As Mr.M noted, the political scene in Illinois is corrupt, and almost certainly will stay that way.  By creating a specific centeralized &#8220;graft project&#8221;, you&#8217;d essentially have a graft budget so a reasonable expendature could be incorporated into the state&#8217;s finances, and hopefully by creating a specific feeding trough the pols would be encouraged to stop grafting other projects.  It could be like &#8220;heroin parks&#8221; for politicians.  And since the project is something nobody actually wants built, there would be no negative consequenes when it never gets finished.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m smelling a winner, here.</p>
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		<title>By: michael reynolds</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael reynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 19:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to admit it but I kind of like O'Hare, at least the American Airlines portion I usually use.  The AA lounge is fine, the food in the terminal isn't awful by airport standards -- you can get a real Chicago dog with the necessary sport peppers and radioactive relish.  The shopping is pitiful compared to some airports but honest-to-God who really buys a suit or diamonds at an airport?  

The problem with O'Hare is most often weather, which Peotone will do nothing to improve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to admit it but I kind of like O&#8217;Hare, at least the American Airlines portion I usually use.  The AA lounge is fine, the food in the terminal isn&#8217;t awful by airport standards &#8212; you can get a real Chicago dog with the necessary sport peppers and radioactive relish.  The shopping is pitiful compared to some airports but honest-to-God who really buys a suit or diamonds at an airport?  </p>
<p>The problem with O&#8217;Hare is most often weather, which Peotone will do nothing to improve.</p>
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		<title>By: mannning</title>
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		<dc:creator>mannning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 18:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just for fun, why not take a page out of Hong Kong's book and create an island in the lake off the coast of Chicago for a new airport? It would be far more expensive to construct that way, thus much greater graft and corruption opportunity, and it would create a wonderful backlash from the current waterfront owners. Noise abatement would not be a problem, which is a plus, but the prevailing winds, which are West to East, I suppose, would mean a larger island in that direction to accomodate landings and takeoffs without significant crosswinds, and hence even more opportunities for contracts...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just for fun, why not take a page out of Hong Kong&#8217;s book and create an island in the lake off the coast of Chicago for a new airport? It would be far more expensive to construct that way, thus much greater graft and corruption opportunity, and it would create a wonderful backlash from the current waterfront owners. Noise abatement would not be a problem, which is a plus, but the prevailing winds, which are West to East, I suppose, would mean a larger island in that direction to accomodate landings and takeoffs without significant crosswinds, and hence even more opportunities for contracts&#8230;</p>
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