Comments on: WATERBOARDING: THE S.E.R.E. STRAWMAN

By: selfdestruction

selfdestruction — Wed, 06 May 2009 13:12:57 +0000

Doesn’t anyone relaize this is exactly what Bin Laden wanted from 9/11? No country, and certainly no terrorist group, can destroy the U.S. We can only destroy ourselves. 9/11 was intended as an instigation of our self-descruction. When the U.S. unilaterly uses its military might to inflict its will around the world, we turn the rest of the world against us, friends and enemies. We must rise above over-reacting. 9/11 is not an excuse for anything. The terroist threat is clandestine. Our war against it should be as well, CIA & military. If it makes the news we are doing something wrong. The torture issue is just one symptom of our self-destruction. The good guys don’t torture. There are more reliable ways to get information. We always win the battles, we don’t know how to win the hearts and minds.

By: golovino

golovino — Sun, 03 May 2009 13:59:53 +0000

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By: Watcher of Weasels » So Many Tortured Firsts - Waterboarding Our Way To Policy

Fri, 01 May 2009 16:56:13 +0000

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Right Wing Nut House » THE MORAL PARAMETERS OF TORTURE — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 21:29:43 +0000

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By: bsjones

bsjones — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 07:09:18 +0000

“There’s gonna be pictures that are gonna be coming out which will again authenticate that wrong things were done, but are you gonna prosecute people…?” John McCain

“There I go, turn the page.” Bob Seger

By: bsjones

bsjones — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 06:02:11 +0000

“If the president does it, it’s not a crime” Richard Nixon

“Most people in retrospect believe that Ford’s pardon was right, because we moved on. We have got to move on.” John McCain

By: Locomotive Breath

Locomotive Breath — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 12:51:13 +0000

How many Americans have to die to satisfy your delicate sensibilities?

I’m sure John McCain would have loved to get by with only what happened to KSM.

McCain -> permanently physically debilitated
KSM -> not so much
Daniel Pearl (RIP) -> sans head via sword wielded by KSM

Guess who I think was tortured and who was not?

By: msmscourage

msmscourage — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 09:52:29 +0000

I do not recall”torture” being discussed by the media or liberals when Clinton & Reno used a chemical agent CS Gas, banned by Treaty in 1993, on infants & toddlers at Waco. Or do they not consider it “torture”?

By: busboy33

busboy33 — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 07:30:05 +0000

@c3:

“Ironic that you make that comment on this post by a conservative who has consistently decried torture.”

Tragically, it isn’t. The last several times Mr. M has tried to explain his position, the comments got flooded with “RINO-eating-your-own-libtard-stooge” rage from the “true” conservatives.

By: c3

c3 — Sun, 26 Apr 2009 14:56:40 +0000

Rick;
I have to hand it to you, you certainly don’t shy away from tough discussions.

Joe;
“Anyone who defends torture is just mentally sick. Its another one of the litmus test to be a conservative today, you have to defend torture. ”
Ironic that you make that comment on this post by a conservative who has consistently decried torture.

And herein lies the most intriguing part of this whole torture debate. This is clearly developing as an issue that doesn’t break along party lines (in spite of the desire of many in both parties who wish that it would) At this point in “the game” it seems to be playing out the same way immigration has (i.e. stark public differences in the Republican Party and quiet, below the radar differences in the Democratic Party). I’m wondering out loud here now: Will the way the immigration debate ultimately hurt the Republican Party with Hispanics, also come true in the torture debate with military voters?