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		<title>By: Political Blog Weekly: 1 May 2009 &#124; U.S. Common Sense</title>
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		<dc:creator>Political Blog Weekly: 1 May 2009 &#124; U.S. Common Sense</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 01:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#34;It&#8217;s Silly to Blame a Porous Border for Swine Flu in US&#34; Originally published: &#160;26 April 2009 Submitted by: &#160;U.S. Common Sense Summary: &#160;Examining the effects of an open market on the spread of disease in the world. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: glorybug</title>
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		<dc:creator>glorybug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 23:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is rather silly to dish about border infiltration right now, since there's no proof ANY illegals are trying to enter to avoid the flu.  Not to mention that all of the non-Mexican cases began from non-illegal non-Mexicans who brought the virus back to the US after vacationing in Mexico.  Instead of the US trying to cement our borders AGAINST people from Mexico, it would be wiser to prohibit Americans from vacationing in Mexico.

Stopping Americans from travelling to Mexico and back would be more intelligent than trying to close the borders against non-existent Mexicans who aren't trying to flee to the US to escape this flu.

If you're interested, please read- http://www.opednews.com/articles/Pandemic-or-Pig-Farm-Fiasc-by-Colleen-De-Koning-090428-311.html#comment211457

"Neither is there an explanation for how these flies were able to travel hundreds of miles to infect others."

La Gloria is less than 5 miles from the Granja Carroll farm, and the local officials must have taken the fly infestation seriously enough to have responded to reports of 4-500 people being sickened with respiratory illness to vaccinate all the pigs, all the people of La Gloria, fumigate the farms and the people's homes, and spray to get rid of the government acknowleged black fly problem at the farm and in the homes--- before this was called a pandemic... there are also many huge poultry mega-farms in the area as well, at least one of which suffered a huge avian flu problem recently.  The flies did not need to travel hundreds of miles.  It's a hop, skip and a jump in La Gloria to get from a pig farm to a poultry farm to human residences.  And that's not taking into account how many of the locals actually work at either the pig or poultry farm.  There isn't much other industry in the area.

Hate illegal aliens all you want... but be intelligent enough to realize when a news story doesn't fit in with that hatred.  

Handing out harsh legal repercussions for people/businesses who hire illegals for pennies on the dollar would do more towards eliminating illegal aliens than any other action.  They come here for jobs, that dishonest greedy businesspeople provide for them here.  If those jobs dried up, they would have no incentive to come here.  I, for one, would be willing to pay a higher price for my produce in order to see that happen.  Would you?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is rather silly to dish about border infiltration right now, since there&#8217;s no proof ANY illegals are trying to enter to avoid the flu.  Not to mention that all of the non-Mexican cases began from non-illegal non-Mexicans who brought the virus back to the US after vacationing in Mexico.  Instead of the US trying to cement our borders AGAINST people from Mexico, it would be wiser to prohibit Americans from vacationing in Mexico.</p>
<p>Stopping Americans from travelling to Mexico and back would be more intelligent than trying to close the borders against non-existent Mexicans who aren&#8217;t trying to flee to the US to escape this flu.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re interested, please read- <a href="http://www.opednews.com/articles/Pandemic-or-Pig-Farm-Fiasc-by-Colleen-De-Koning-090428-311.html#comment211457" rel="nofollow">http://www.opednews.com/articles/Pandemic-or-Pig-Farm-Fiasc-by-Colleen-De-Koning-090428-311.html#comment211457</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Neither is there an explanation for how these flies were able to travel hundreds of miles to infect others.&#8221;</p>
<p>La Gloria is less than 5 miles from the Granja Carroll farm, and the local officials must have taken the fly infestation seriously enough to have responded to reports of 4-500 people being sickened with respiratory illness to vaccinate all the pigs, all the people of La Gloria, fumigate the farms and the people&#8217;s homes, and spray to get rid of the government acknowleged black fly problem at the farm and in the homes&#8212; before this was called a pandemic&#8230; there are also many huge poultry mega-farms in the area as well, at least one of which suffered a huge avian flu problem recently.  The flies did not need to travel hundreds of miles.  It&#8217;s a hop, skip and a jump in La Gloria to get from a pig farm to a poultry farm to human residences.  And that&#8217;s not taking into account how many of the locals actually work at either the pig or poultry farm.  There isn&#8217;t much other industry in the area.</p>
<p>Hate illegal aliens all you want&#8230; but be intelligent enough to realize when a news story doesn&#8217;t fit in with that hatred.  </p>
<p>Handing out harsh legal repercussions for people/businesses who hire illegals for pennies on the dollar would do more towards eliminating illegal aliens than any other action.  They come here for jobs, that dishonest greedy businesspeople provide for them here.  If those jobs dried up, they would have no incentive to come here.  I, for one, would be willing to pay a higher price for my produce in order to see that happen.  Would you?</p>
<p>c</p>
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		<title>By: Sicamor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sicamor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But do you know was Carroll is responsible of the swine flu?, just for corruption. They have not presented the documents necessary to prove they are managing the waste in a responsible way. 

Why do you blame the immigrants to cross the borders?. You might ask to your governors do not corrupt the latinamerican politicians. Washington is the origin of the economical problems there. Nobody want to leave their country just "looking the american dream", that is really the nortamerican nightmare. So reciporcally latinamericans should refuse to cross the northamericans to cross their borders if thgey want to travek to Cancun or those beautiful places that belongs to foreigners, thanks to the corruption.

But you have not answered the question, why the flu begun in Texas and CA?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But do you know was Carroll is responsible of the swine flu?, just for corruption. They have not presented the documents necessary to prove they are managing the waste in a responsible way. </p>
<p>Why do you blame the immigrants to cross the borders?. You might ask to your governors do not corrupt the latinamerican politicians. Washington is the origin of the economical problems there. Nobody want to leave their country just &#8220;looking the american dream&#8221;, that is really the nortamerican nightmare. So reciporcally latinamericans should refuse to cross the northamericans to cross their borders if thgey want to travek to Cancun or those beautiful places that belongs to foreigners, thanks to the corruption.</p>
<p>But you have not answered the question, why the flu begun in Texas and CA?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Farmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Farmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 00:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The point is that with a secure border you can prevent diseased people from entering the country. It has nothing to do with causes and everything to do with containment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point is that with a secure border you can prevent diseased people from entering the country. It has nothing to do with causes and everything to do with containment.</p>
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		<title>By: jackson1234</title>
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		<dc:creator>jackson1234</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 20:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As of now, you are right. However, if a quarantine were to be imposed and the damned-near criminal neglect of our border continued, there is no question you would be wrong at that point. And don't think for a second the open borders fanatics would see no problem with both a quarantine and unimpeded illegal immigration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As of now, you are right. However, if a quarantine were to be imposed and the damned-near criminal neglect of our border continued, there is no question you would be wrong at that point. And don&#8217;t think for a second the open borders fanatics would see no problem with both a quarantine and unimpeded illegal immigration.</p>
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		<title>By: c3</title>
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		<dc:creator>c3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 19:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a physician with an MPH I can say that immigration is not the issue in disease spread.  As we have seen several times in the recent past American citizens have spread disease in the US after traveling to an epidemic area.  I don't need to be a citizen of a country to spread disease I just need to be a visitor.  To "close the borders" to disease spread we would need to stop all tourism.  Imagine the economic impact of that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a physician with an MPH I can say that immigration is not the issue in disease spread.  As we have seen several times in the recent past American citizens have spread disease in the US after traveling to an epidemic area.  I don&#8217;t need to be a citizen of a country to spread disease I just need to be a visitor.  To &#8220;close the borders&#8221; to disease spread we would need to stop all tourism.  Imagine the economic impact of that!</p>
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		<title>By: CZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>CZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 17:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can remember in the 80's when we were all going to be exposed to AIDS through blood transfusions and even mosquito bites. I've been bitten by many mosquitos and no AIDS yet. Fear mongering is only bad if Bush did it.

Illegal Mexicans are illegal Mexicans. Close the borders and send them back now. They're lawbreakers and we don't need any other reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can remember in the 80&#8217;s when we were all going to be exposed to AIDS through blood transfusions and even mosquito bites. I&#8217;ve been bitten by many mosquitos and no AIDS yet. Fear mongering is only bad if Bush did it.</p>
<p>Illegal Mexicans are illegal Mexicans. Close the borders and send them back now. They&#8217;re lawbreakers and we don&#8217;t need any other reason.</p>
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		<title>By: bsjones</title>
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		<dc:creator>bsjones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 07:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope this flu thing does not blow up into something huge like the y2k problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope this flu thing does not blow up into something huge like the y2k problem.</p>
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		<title>By: busboy33</title>
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		<dc:creator>busboy33</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 07:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've been busy, so my catching the news has been sporadic, and as a result I last saw this story at the "huh -- this is interesting" level, and then 24 hours later we were apparently at "National we're-all-going-to-die-horribly day" level.  That'll teach me to turn off the InterTubes. 
Simple question I just missed not following this closely: why is it "swine flu"?  I mean, how is it connected to swine?  Did it start as a livestock pathogen (like mad cow) that jumped the species divide into humans, or were the initial outbreaks tied to pig farmers?  Feel free to flame for not knowing something that is probably in every news story about this, but I tried to get some info from MSM and had to give up after MSNBC practically had the Halloween movie theme music playing when I brought up the topic.

p.s. -- hope you feel good, Mr. M.  All the news media were going to handle this in a totally non-sensationalistic manner until you planted the idea of formenting mass hysteria in their minds with your last post.
Bad critical thinker!  Very very bad!  As web persona, you should have learned the first lesson of communication 2.0 -- namely, never feed the trolls (or the brain dead zombies).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been busy, so my catching the news has been sporadic, and as a result I last saw this story at the &#8220;huh &#8212; this is interesting&#8221; level, and then 24 hours later we were apparently at &#8220;National we&#8217;re-all-going-to-die-horribly day&#8221; level.  That&#8217;ll teach me to turn off the InterTubes.<br />
Simple question I just missed not following this closely: why is it &#8220;swine flu&#8221;?  I mean, how is it connected to swine?  Did it start as a livestock pathogen (like mad cow) that jumped the species divide into humans, or were the initial outbreaks tied to pig farmers?  Feel free to flame for not knowing something that is probably in every news story about this, but I tried to get some info from MSM and had to give up after MSNBC practically had the Halloween movie theme music playing when I brought up the topic.</p>
<p>p.s. &#8212; hope you feel good, Mr. M.  All the news media were going to handle this in a totally non-sensationalistic manner until you planted the idea of formenting mass hysteria in their minds with your last post.<br />
Bad critical thinker!  Very very bad!  As web persona, you should have learned the first lesson of communication 2.0 &#8212; namely, never feed the trolls (or the brain dead zombies).</p>
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		<title>By: Glib Tunafish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glib Tunafish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 05:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"I can’t recall measles being stopped at the pretty tight border at then East Germany. First of all, we don’t even know how exactly this virus spreads; what makes it different from other strains."

"But to believe that closing the border to illegals  will have any effect on the spread or even containment of Swine Flu is refuted by the facts. It is estimated that anywhere between 500,000 and one million illegals pour across our border every year. Almost the same number - about 650,000 -  enter the US legally every day"






If it follows the typical pattern of other flu viruses it will be spread through airborne droplets and bodily secretions. That means that if  people coming from an area where they are less likely to treat it effectively i.e Mexico come to another area i.e The U.S they will spread it among a greater number of the population than if we were to have secure borders and health checks. A secure border cannot stop all disease just as it cannot stop all drug trade. It is absurd however to suggest that effective measures at boarder policing have no role to play in preventing faster spread of the disease. 

Rick you cite the figures regarding illegal and legal entry into the U.S. Thats all fine and good when those entering are not infected. What happens when say 1 in 10 are infected? Do you expect the spread of disease to be greater or less in the U.S as every infected person becomes a potential risk for new infections?  How many of those who come here illegally and are infected might be less likely to seek treatment because they fear being deported and thus are sick longer and are thus greater factors for spread of the disease? 

It makes you neither wise or compassionate to state that a secure border is no factor at all in stopping flu transmission. Viruses may not care about barbed wire or 100,000 soldiers but people do. And without people to carry them abroad it matters not a whit what a virus cares about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I can’t recall measles being stopped at the pretty tight border at then East Germany. First of all, we don’t even know how exactly this virus spreads; what makes it different from other strains.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;But to believe that closing the border to illegals  will have any effect on the spread or even containment of Swine Flu is refuted by the facts. It is estimated that anywhere between 500,000 and one million illegals pour across our border every year. Almost the same number - about 650,000 -  enter the US legally every day&#8221;</p>
<p>If it follows the typical pattern of other flu viruses it will be spread through airborne droplets and bodily secretions. That means that if  people coming from an area where they are less likely to treat it effectively i.e Mexico come to another area i.e The U.S they will spread it among a greater number of the population than if we were to have secure borders and health checks. A secure border cannot stop all disease just as it cannot stop all drug trade. It is absurd however to suggest that effective measures at boarder policing have no role to play in preventing faster spread of the disease. </p>
<p>Rick you cite the figures regarding illegal and legal entry into the U.S. Thats all fine and good when those entering are not infected. What happens when say 1 in 10 are infected? Do you expect the spread of disease to be greater or less in the U.S as every infected person becomes a potential risk for new infections?  How many of those who come here illegally and are infected might be less likely to seek treatment because they fear being deported and thus are sick longer and are thus greater factors for spread of the disease? </p>
<p>It makes you neither wise or compassionate to state that a secure border is no factor at all in stopping flu transmission. Viruses may not care about barbed wire or 100,000 soldiers but people do. And without people to carry them abroad it matters not a whit what a virus cares about.</p>
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