… but I easily admit that lack of expected plane debris at the Pentagon is . . . odd.

It’s ‘odd’ because it’s really rare for a commercial plane to hit the ground at full throttle. People don’t have a lot of everyday experience with aluminum subjected to that sort of energy, so we think of metal as bending and deforming as opposed to shattering into tiny shards.

Same thing with the tiny, tiny bits that the WTC towers and their contents ended up in. It looked like everything in it was blown up because of the huge crushing energy of the 1/4 mile drop of ton and tons of material.

It evades “common sense” by virtue of being an uncommon event.

Why Obama will Never be MY President.

http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/latest-right-wing-lunacy-smear-about-ob

I’m being dead serious. I’m not aware of Obama being involved in litigation to hide the birth certificate — if there is a lawsuit, especially if Obama is paying for the legal team, I’d like to learn about it. Locomotive Breath sounds as if he’s aware of an actual case, and if there is one that would certainly raise some serious questions (depending on what the details are). I don’t like it when things don’t make sense, and it doesn’t make sense to me to litigate and spend money to keep a document secret when its already been released. That would be extremely suspicious (to say the least) so if there is something going on, I want to know about it. I’m holding a printed copy of Obama’s birth certificate in my hand — looks legit to me, but if there’s a reason to think this (not the ‘07 copy Corsi made a fuss about) is bogus, then I’m all ears.

Since he’s asking “pointed questions” he sounds like he’s more familiar with the details of this stuff than I am, so I’m trying to get another person’s perspective on the matter to hopefully broaden my horizions. If he (or she) knows about the Birther position, then maybe he can answer my question. I’m not giving anybody suspicious looks . . . I’m trying to figure out what the fuss is about. Despite some (IMHO) legitimate factual questions the Truthers raise, I can’t get beyond the starting gate with the whole idea because it just doesn’t make any sense. I have the same problem when I talk to Birthers, and if L.B. knows something about it then maybe he can help me see whatever it is I’m mising. I have no opinion about whether L.B.’s a Birther or not, but his “pointed questions” suggest he knows more about the theory than I do (or else he’s just randomly making things up, which I assume isn’t the case).

Trust me, when I’m being flippant I don’t think you’ll have any problem spotting it. For an example of me being a smart-a$$, see my comment on Rick’s next post.

p.s. — I have no idea what hospital I was born in. I know it was Metheuen, Mass., and its such a small town that there’s probably only one in the area (I’m guessing), but I wouldn’t think that’s information most people have. Has somebody checked hospital birth records in the area and failed to find any record? That would be interesting . . . presuming they had access to all the birth records from all the Honalulu hospitals in service at the time. Again, I’m unaware of the details about this — that’s why I didn’t say anything about the hospital question one way or another.

While I see your point about healthcare and can sympathize with your situation - and I agree the system needs an overhaul - I TOTALLY and COMPLETELY disagree that the government needs to take it over and manage health care. I want control over my health care and the services that I want, not what the government wants to ALLOW me to have.

Yes, our infastructure is in a mess - but to blame it solely on the Reublican’s is being naive at best. Just what party do you think was in control of Congress for the last 2 years, as well as previous years at times? This is a NON-PARTISAN mess, and trying to lay blame to one side or the other does NOTHING to help clean it up. Additionally, if you think Obama is trying to clean it up, you are again being naive.

Yes, we have a hole to dig out of, but spending trillions and trillions and amassing a debt that size that most of us cannot even comprehend is NOT the way to dig out of it. Money management is a pretty basic principal, whether you are dealing with $100K a year or trillions. You simply cannot continue to mortgage your way out of a hole. You pay off your debts and become solvent, then start fixing your problems - not the other way around. And even if this were possible - do you ACTUALLY think these trillions of dollars in the stimulus, omnibus, and budget are going to help with infastructure, healthcare, education, etc???? NO!!! The money goes to pet projects of all the corrupt Republican and Democratic Congress members. EVERY ONE OF THEM.

If you believe that the Republican’s have been in charge for most of your adult life, then I suggest you revisit history. Just because you have a Republican POTUS, doesn’t make the Republican’s ‘in charge’ - to be in charge you MUST have a majority vote! If you don’t understand that basic principal, how could you possibly comprehend the complexity of the economic situation at hand. The Dems are just as much to blame as the Reps.

I would imagine one day when you are declined some life saving drug or treatment because the government decides you are past the age of usefullness, you might look back and regret your position on the matter and see that government is never a good substitute for self-responsibility.

How much has Obama paid to lawyers? Its the State of Hawaii that won’t release the birth certificate . . . I would think that the State is funding the costs of any legal action.
Is there currently a lawsuit going on with Obama involved (well, his lawyer)?

I’m confused because several people have seen and verified the birth certificate. You can get high-resolution scans (complete with the embossed seal and the non-blacked out certificate number) at:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
They’ve also got a scan of the birth announcement in the period newspaper (discovered by an anti-Obama investigator during the campaign). Factcheck.org tends to play it pretty much as close to neutral as I think a human being can — they call shenanigans on the Blues as easily as on the Reds.

If I’m missing something, please fill me in. I loves me a good conspiracy theory. 99% are hokum, but sometimes you find one that raises your eyebrow. I think the Truthers are chowderheads, but I easily admit that lack of expected plane debris at the Pentagon is . . . odd. Not Truther odd, but odd nonetheless — and I’ve never been able to wrap my head around the “magic bullet” theory (or the Deus ex Machina bullet, since caling it “magic” is like calling the Grand Canyon a “divot”).

I’m skeptical of the Birthers, but I’m more than open to being converted. You sound like you know more about it than me, so maybe you can answer a question about the conspiracy I’ve always wondered about — why Obama? I mean, if the plan is to plant evidence 40 years ago (i.e. the birth announcement in the newspaper) to slip a presumed secret double agent into the White House, why pick a black guy with a Muslim name? Of all the secret agents you could think in 1961 that possibly had a snowball’s chance in Hell of actually getting elected President, I can’t think of a stereotype that would be more of a longshot (at the time). What’s the supposed master strategy, and what about it made looking at the black son of a Muslim made them think this was their shot?

I have a very simple factual question to which no one knows the answer: In what hospital was Obama born?

Second question: Why has Obama spent tons of money on lawyers to keep anyone from finding out?

Meanwhile, I do have access to George Bush’s National Guard dental record from Alabama in 1972.

Get your Venn Diagram ready.

Compare this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTPxLIBygQM&eurl

to this:
http://www.tvo.org/cfmx/tvoorg/theagenda/index.cfm?page_id=7&bpn=779453&ts=2009-03-13%2020:00:35.0

Decidedly different guests. Which interview style leads to understanding?