A nation that tolerates evil will never be able to remedy the diseases that will destroy it because it can never bring itself to confront the causes of those diseases much less accept the remedies. So observed the Romans while the barbarians were beating down the gates. They were right then, and as we observe correct today.

A nation without virtue is doomed.

“Whether one agrees that the living contents of a womb is a life or not”

??? If its the “living” contents, then its alive . . . isn’t it? You say you’re open to the disparity of views on the topic, but the way you define the topic makes it seem like there’s only one answer.

Dang, I never knew how horribly inefficient my side is! We advocate the murder of those with the slightest doctrinal difference, yet disavow the once-a-decade killings…. Gee, we really must all be nuts, as well as horribly ineffective.

Guess we need to take lessons from those wonderful women-loving folks in the abortion business, who kill a minimum of ten adult women a year.

Do you realize how stupid you sound? Grow up.

First of all, this is not a “screwy religious right wing” issue. I’m as big an atheist as Moran and pro-life, so don’t group me in with the religious right. This is a moral issue, not religious.

Second, your statement

These folks call abortion murder, but it’s not, it’s legal, not murder

is sophomoric. Just because something is legal doesn’t stop it from being murder. You say a fetus isn’t a human being, I say it is. If it is, its murder. If its not, its not murder. Your logic would justify slavery prior to 1864- it was legal.

Third, you say “they advocate murder”. Who does? Name a single mainstream pro-life organization that has ever advocated vigilantism or murder. This guy was a loon, and you have plenty of those on your side too (probably more). I’m sure one of your loons will attempt a retribution killing soon enough.

You’re a fucking idiot, spouting talking points you read on Kos.

They then advocate murder of people they don’t agree with and call it justice. They have abandoned our countries legal system in preference to their own self-defined legal system where they speak for God and strike down in his name any one they choose.

This is no different than the radical Muslims we are engaged with overseas.

We are spending billions to protect us from Muslims who is protecting us from radical Christians?

To the Gulag with them! All of them!

Gee…ya think they can use those Haliburton built concentration camps out in Utah we built to hold all the liberals?

ed.

*shrug* Either way, violent nutcase with over 15 years of being a violent nutcase killed someone who made a living killing unwanted children who could survive outside of the womb, folks who support that are going to use it, and more kids older than my nephew was when he was born will be killed.

Ugh.

The fact is, Tiller would be alive if abortion were not pushed to the forefront of American politics

I’ve got to disagree with you that politics is the culprit. The politics are a symptom- the issue itself resonates very strongly with people that don’t even vote. Whether one agrees that the living contents of a womb is a life or not does not negate the fact that there are millions of people that believe that it is a life, and is therefore a murder of a defenseless person. On the other side, are the people that believe so strongly that a woman has the right to choose what procedures are performed on her own body that they don’t really give a shit whether it is a life or not. There is definitely some middle ground between those two positions, but most of the people I know are represented by one of these two poles. No proof could change either one’s position, so the issue is a lightning bolt of conflict, whether one votes or not.

But a lot of those people do vote… which, of course, forces politicians to address the issue. They could no more ignore it than they could ignore a tax policy, or foreign policy or . Symptom, not cause.

The fact is, Tiller would be alive if abortion were not pushed to the forefront of American politics and used by both sides as a wedge issue to raise money, recruit activists, and garner votes.

Rick;
Not sure I agree with that. This is not to condone inflammatory rhetoric but some feel very strongly about abortion regardless of the public “discussion”.

Also, no one was making a big political deal with “technology” and yet Ted Kaczinski felt it was a “political” issue worthy of mayhem.

And in case it isn’t assumed, IMHO the murder of Dr. Tiller was a despicable act.