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	<title>Comments on: IT&#8217;S PAST TIME TO INOCULATE CONSERVATISM AGAINST THE BIRTHERS</title>
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		<title>By: mrcatbert</title>
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		<dc:creator>mrcatbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 15:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While the birthers are certainly lunatic fringe, your statement

"And the fact that no other president or presidential candidate in history has been asked to “prove” they are citizens is a personal insult to Obama."

is incorrect. McCain went through the exact same thing in early 2008 - lawsuits over his eligibility to serve as president due to his birth in the (then) Panama Canal Zone, demands to see his birth certificate (because there was no record of his birth in the Panama Canal Zone Health Department's bound birth registers), etc. All of this was carried by the MSM including the WaPo, and the NY Times.

Had McCain won the presidency rather than Obama, I have no doubt that the Birthers would still exist. They would simply be associated with the other party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While the birthers are certainly lunatic fringe, your statement</p>
<p>&#8220;And the fact that no other president or presidential candidate in history has been asked to “prove” they are citizens is a personal insult to Obama.&#8221;</p>
<p>is incorrect. McCain went through the exact same thing in early 2008 - lawsuits over his eligibility to serve as president due to his birth in the (then) Panama Canal Zone, demands to see his birth certificate (because there was no record of his birth in the Panama Canal Zone Health Department&#8217;s bound birth registers), etc. All of this was carried by the MSM including the WaPo, and the NY Times.</p>
<p>Had McCain won the presidency rather than Obama, I have no doubt that the Birthers would still exist. They would simply be associated with the other party.</p>
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		<title>By: JustIce</title>
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		<dc:creator>JustIce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 22:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick, What a shame that you feel the necessity of leaning on the tried and true censorship method to control the discussion. I am beginning to believe, in an effort to be more "mainstream", you are becoming less conservative and more centrist. But then again, I have yet to see a concise and yet accurate description of what a "conservative" really is.

I hope you will reconsider your "ban the book" mentality. Birthers may be wrong but I don't think they are not idiots, idealogues, or nutcases (I happen to live with one and she is an intelligent, thoughtful person). They are, for the most part, people looking for a way off this Obama-nation of a train. They see Obama as illegitimate and thus cannot hold the office of POTUS. They may not be right, but they are definitely scared. To shut them off, is kind of like sticking your head in the sand and humming at the same time. See no evil, hear no evil, there must not be evil.

Should you desire an intelligent discussion on this topic I would be most willing to oblige.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick, What a shame that you feel the necessity of leaning on the tried and true censorship method to control the discussion. I am beginning to believe, in an effort to be more &#8220;mainstream&#8221;, you are becoming less conservative and more centrist. But then again, I have yet to see a concise and yet accurate description of what a &#8220;conservative&#8221; really is.</p>
<p>I hope you will reconsider your &#8220;ban the book&#8221; mentality. Birthers may be wrong but I don&#8217;t think they are not idiots, idealogues, or nutcases (I happen to live with one and she is an intelligent, thoughtful person). They are, for the most part, people looking for a way off this Obama-nation of a train. They see Obama as illegitimate and thus cannot hold the office of POTUS. They may not be right, but they are definitely scared. To shut them off, is kind of like sticking your head in the sand and humming at the same time. See no evil, hear no evil, there must not be evil.</p>
<p>Should you desire an intelligent discussion on this topic I would be most willing to oblige.</p>
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		<title>By: Mick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 13:29:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And just so you know, John McCain (born in Colon, Panama to 2 US Citizen Parents) and Bobby Jindal (born in La. to Indian Immigrant non citizen parents) are NOT Natural Born Citizens either. The investigation of Resolution 511 nand acknowledgement of Jindal as a viable candidate for POTUS are all designed to clear the way for Obama. This is a LEGAL ELIGIBILITY ISSUE Not Conspiracy theory. Natural Born Citizen = Born in the US to 2 US Citizen Parents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And just so you know, John McCain (born in Colon, Panama to 2 US Citizen Parents) and Bobby Jindal (born in La. to Indian Immigrant non citizen parents) are NOT Natural Born Citizens either. The investigation of Resolution 511 nand acknowledgement of Jindal as a viable candidate for POTUS are all designed to clear the way for Obama. This is a LEGAL ELIGIBILITY ISSUE Not Conspiracy theory. Natural Born Citizen = Born in the US to 2 US Citizen Parents.</p>
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		<title>By: Mick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 13:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You all are TOTALLY MISSING the true LEGAL QUESTION that is not Conspiracy theory. If Obama has admited that his citizenship AT BIRTH was "Governed" (His own words from Fight the Smears) by the British Nationality Act of 1948, how could he be a Natural Born Citizen? Dual Citizens at Birth can NEVER be Natural Born citizens. Natural Born Citizens (the requirement for POTUS and VP set forth in Article 2 Section 1) are those born on US SOIL to 2 CITIZEN PARENTS. The term was only seen at the time of the writing of the Constitution in Vattel's Law of Nations (1763), A Treatise on Natural Law that was a huge inspiration for the document and is a required methodology of International relations as put forth in Article 1 Section 8 clause 10 USC. Obama is using the BC issue to hide the other fact that he has already admitted, He was a British Citizen at birth due to his father's Kenyan Citizenship. Why do you think that Fight the Smears has been scrubbed from the internet? This is the final set up before he springs the BC, but the fact is that he can NEVER be Natural Born due to his Dual Citizenship at Birth. You are all being played, and I will be happy to write a collumn for you on this subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You all are TOTALLY MISSING the true LEGAL QUESTION that is not Conspiracy theory. If Obama has admited that his citizenship AT BIRTH was &#8220;Governed&#8221; (His own words from Fight the Smears) by the British Nationality Act of 1948, how could he be a Natural Born Citizen? Dual Citizens at Birth can NEVER be Natural Born citizens. Natural Born Citizens (the requirement for POTUS and VP set forth in Article 2 Section 1) are those born on US SOIL to 2 CITIZEN PARENTS. The term was only seen at the time of the writing of the Constitution in Vattel&#8217;s Law of Nations (1763), A Treatise on Natural Law that was a huge inspiration for the document and is a required methodology of International relations as put forth in Article 1 Section 8 clause 10 USC. Obama is using the BC issue to hide the other fact that he has already admitted, He was a British Citizen at birth due to his father&#8217;s Kenyan Citizenship. Why do you think that Fight the Smears has been scrubbed from the internet? This is the final set up before he springs the BC, but the fact is that he can NEVER be Natural Born due to his Dual Citizenship at Birth. You are all being played, and I will be happy to write a collumn for you on this subject.</p>
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		<title>By: Noblesse Oblige &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Obama &#38; The Real Story</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noblesse Oblige &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Obama &#38; The Real Story</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 15:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] probably not a coincidence that nirtherism is front and center in the news again, even though left, right, and center are all calling birth certificate conspiracists marginal and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] probably not a coincidence that nirtherism is front and center in the news again, even though left, right, and center are all calling birth certificate conspiracists marginal and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: angulimala</title>
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		<dc:creator>angulimala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 01:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;All I want to see is the ACTUAL and factual BHO document, you know, the one with 23 information blocks filled in, including the name of the Doc and the name of the hospital and Mom’s signature!&lt;/i&gt;

And which of those magic 23 pieces of information can birthers not claim to be forged in the event that he does produce it?

Seriously, don't half-ass this stuff.  

It's not like he's going to hand you the actual certificate in person.  Anything you will see is going to be, at best, a reproduced copy.  In reality, the best you personally will ever get is a digital picture of a reproduced copy.  You still won't have "proof" that the picture, or the underlying reproduced copy, hasn't been tampered with.  

If you already believe his parents (handlers?) can fake announcements from across the Atlantic, destroy all documentary evidence of his supposed Kenyan birth, forge a certificate of live birth that lists his birthplace as Honolulu, and get Hawaiian officials to vouch for having seen the actual, long-form, certificate, then you can also believe that he faked whatever long-form certificate you actually get to see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>All I want to see is the ACTUAL and factual BHO document, you know, the one with 23 information blocks filled in, including the name of the Doc and the name of the hospital and Mom’s signature!</i></p>
<p>And which of those magic 23 pieces of information can birthers not claim to be forged in the event that he does produce it?</p>
<p>Seriously, don&#8217;t half-ass this stuff.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not like he&#8217;s going to hand you the actual certificate in person.  Anything you will see is going to be, at best, a reproduced copy.  In reality, the best you personally will ever get is a digital picture of a reproduced copy.  You still won&#8217;t have &#8220;proof&#8221; that the picture, or the underlying reproduced copy, hasn&#8217;t been tampered with.  </p>
<p>If you already believe his parents (handlers?) can fake announcements from across the Atlantic, destroy all documentary evidence of his supposed Kenyan birth, forge a certificate of live birth that lists his birthplace as Honolulu, and get Hawaiian officials to vouch for having seen the actual, long-form, certificate, then you can also believe that he faked whatever long-form certificate you actually get to see.</p>
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		<title>By: funny man</title>
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		<dc:creator>funny man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sharprightturn,
you are right about Obama playing games with the Birthers. If I was him, I'd do the same because they are nutcases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sharprightturn,<br />
you are right about Obama playing games with the Birthers. If I was him, I&#8217;d do the same because they are nutcases.</p>
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		<title>By: sharprightturn</title>
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		<dc:creator>sharprightturn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 18:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bush was hounded endlessly about his military service and records....did that make the members of the Democrat party nutjobs in your mind?
(In my mind, they are nutjobs for other reasons, but I digress)

While I am not convinced either way, I see no reason why Obama himself can't ask for the long form release of the birth certificate and his extended package of college and school records that have NEVER been revealed.

At best, he is playing a game with your so-called "birthers" to humiliate them....at worst, he is not qualified to lead our country constitutionally because his birth is not in line with the requirements of our Constitution.

And when you factor Obama's history of radicalism, anti-Americanism, and lack of respect for the Constitution, it is hardly fair to label as nutjobs those who simply want extra proof from a man who clearly hasn't shown immense respect for our Constitution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bush was hounded endlessly about his military service and records&#8230;.did that make the members of the Democrat party nutjobs in your mind?<br />
(In my mind, they are nutjobs for other reasons, but I digress)</p>
<p>While I am not convinced either way, I see no reason why Obama himself can&#8217;t ask for the long form release of the birth certificate and his extended package of college and school records that have NEVER been revealed.</p>
<p>At best, he is playing a game with your so-called &#8220;birthers&#8221; to humiliate them&#8230;.at worst, he is not qualified to lead our country constitutionally because his birth is not in line with the requirements of our Constitution.</p>
<p>And when you factor Obama&#8217;s history of radicalism, anti-Americanism, and lack of respect for the Constitution, it is hardly fair to label as nutjobs those who simply want extra proof from a man who clearly hasn&#8217;t shown immense respect for our Constitution.</p>
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		<title>By: pirano</title>
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		<dc:creator>pirano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, do yourselves and everyone else a favor and definitely ignore these folks. I voted for Obama, but want to see a strong multi-party system. These fringe nutjobs only weaken what's currently left of the GOP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, do yourselves and everyone else a favor and definitely ignore these folks. I voted for Obama, but want to see a strong multi-party system. These fringe nutjobs only weaken what&#8217;s currently left of the GOP.</p>
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		<title>By: Quiddity</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quiddity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 05:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What are the statistics regarding Birthers?  What percentage of adult voters?  And what percentage of registered Republicans?  I know they show up at events and have some talking heads, but is this something small, like only 3%?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What are the statistics regarding Birthers?  What percentage of adult voters?  And what percentage of registered Republicans?  I know they show up at events and have some talking heads, but is this something small, like only 3%?</p>
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