— Attorney General Eric Holder, addressing Justice Department employees, February 18, 2009

What a bunch of cowards. Everybody on here.

Black Americans are duller than white Americans by a full order of magnitude, what statisticians call a standard deviation. If the average white American has an IQ of 100, the average black American has an IQ of 86.

Instead of dealing with that fact honestly, critics have spent VOLUMES trying to convince us that it’s simply not true. Or if it’s true, the testing methods are flawed, or ethnically biased. Or that IQ itself is irrelevant. Or failing all of the above, they vilify the messenger, as happened, for example, to Nobel laureate, James Watson, or to the authors of The Bell Curve. And I anticipate, to me.

Considering the fact that white Americans outnumber black Americans 10 to 1, add that that ratio increases dramatically for IQs over 100, and considering that an advanced degree like a medical degree requires an IQ of of at least 130, the ineluctable conclusion is that there shouldn’t be but a very, very small number of black doctors AT ALL. About as many black doctors as there are tooth fairies and unicorns.

That shouldn’t offend anyone any more than the very, very small number of white folks in the starting blocks at the Olympic 100-yard dash.

It’s just the way things are. Right up there with the earth is round.

Your response is simply incoherent.

I grew up in an immigrant Asian neighborhood in the SF Bay Area, and saw first-hand how Vietnamese moved quickly from the section-8 hellholes into the middle and often upper classes within a decade, sometimes less. They did it so fast that Mexicans and Blacks in those neighborhoods figured they must have had some sort of massive government aid. But they didn’t - they just kicked ass. But they also knew that they _could_ kick ass, since they’d made it this far.

Those who couldn’t kick ass didn’t make it.

Note that there was also a correlation between what they did in their homeland and how well they did in the US. My best friend in HS was a Vietnamese guy who came from a family of doctors, and now he’s a dentist - and all of his sisters are in medicine of one form or another. His wife is an optometrist. Another friend’s family ran a restaurant in Saigon, and her family opened a Vietnamese nightclub as soon as they’d saved a few grand, and ultimately became successful. But a neighbor came from the Vietnamese countryside, and while they did OK, they didn’t do “great”, and didn’t “play the game” of education, saving, and 25-hour-a-day butt-busting quite as well as the others.

The “take away” for me was that “classes” have more than access to money; in the case of the Vietnamese I knew growing up, they all started with zero dollars and almost no English. Those who grow up in “higher classes” know that every society has a “game to be played” and are willing to sacrifice in order to play it.

I’m not sure how this applies to Blacks, but it’s made me more sympathetic to arguments that if we are to have AA, it should be based more on net worth than physical properties like race.

With regards to the “Women make X per every dollar men make”

Remember those are always junk science studies by liberal arts majors because they never compare men / women in the same profession with the same experience and education.

When you do that it’s statistically the same.

Next time a liberal quotes the junk science superstitious religious myth call them on it and point it out and double down by saying “I can prove it too”

When they ask how (they will ignore the scientifically valid studies) say

“Let’s go to any college campus and count the number of women in the engineering fields of study and then let’s compare them to the number of women in any liberal arts major field of study”

There’s a reason that 13 out of the 15 highest paid degrees are in engineering and the other two require mathematics as sell.

It is an unarguable statistical fact that the percentage of blacks graduating and educational achievements were higher prior to AA then after and this can be ascertained as well in the few states that have banned AA by skin color the graduation rate has gone up.

Thomas Sowell Affirmative Action around the World is a good read and try to learn some basic mathematics and tell where exactly his study is incorrect.

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And your control group is Asians, the bulk of whom are from more recent immigrant families. Families wealthy enough and educated enough to get past modern immigration controls and wrangle a 10,000 mile flight from China or Taiwan.[/quote]

Merely to prove the point about culture but one can use West Indian Blacks who do better then whites and culturally indoctrinated into modern liberalism’s slavery mentality blacks here in America or why do they do well on SAT’s / poverty when blacks who’ve been here for the past few generations do not.

Furthermore you ignore the link with the study and statistics provided showing that whites who make less then 10,000 dollars a year do 17 points better then blacks making 100,000 dollars a year in the previous post.

So here it is again:
The Journal of Blacks In Higher Education
http://www.jbhe.com/features/53_SAT.html

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In other words, you contrast the behaviors of a broad-based population with a very long history of oppression in the United States, with a self-selected elite population from entirely different cultures.
Yes, well, that makes . . . um, no sense.[/quote]

It makes perfect sense.

Asians in the USA are NOT A “SELF-SELECTED ELITE POPULATION” moron. Tell that to any Vietnamese/Chinese etc who fled those hellish places are arrived here with nothing

From my previous post since you obviously lack not only a basic understanding of mathematics but rudimentary reading comprehension skills:

My previous post:

“Shave with Occam’s Razor:

1st) We’ve spent decades letting black kids know that they will get a pass on the SAT and replace a more qualified candidate (SO WHY STUDY)

2nd) We have a culture that denigrates knowledge ie “you’re acting white”

3rd) Destruction of the black family ie illegitimacy.

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And just so you know: my daughter is Chinese, so no I don’t have a prejudice against Asians. As it happens I’m part of the other group that is often contrasted with blacks: Jews. We also outperform like Asians.
[/quote]

Merely separating this as a perfect example of modern liberalism’s slavery group think mentality – “I have a lot of black friends . . .” albeit with Asians

[quote]
And yes, it’s true that like African-Americans we have a history of oppression but a rather unique one. European Jews were put in the position of gaining security from a culture of education. American blacks were put in the position of being murdered if they pursued a culture of education.[/quote]

Then once again explain the difference between West Indian Blacks and those indoctrinated into a modern liberal culture of slavery. Asians are my previous example since obviously they were discriminated against but there never was a decades long full court press to enslave them mentally by liberals.

[quote]
See how that might yield different cultural attitudes over time? See how maybe that makes comparisons like yours rather superficial and kind of stupid?[/quote]

What is rather ironic here is that you note that there are cultural differences but then immediately discount them as being the cause of blacks lower SAT scores.

Since you couldn’t answer my previous post in a logical fashion here are the three points again.

“Shave with Occam’s Razor:

1st) We’ve spent decades letting black kids know that they will get a pass on the SAT and replace a more qualified candidate (SO WHY STUDY)

2nd) We have a culture that denigrates knowledge ie “you’re acting white”

3rd) Destruction of the black family ie illegitimacy.”

When you try to debate oh pro-slavery liberal try to address the points for example a rational sane person would’ve said:

Point 1 is invalid because when we compare educational accomplishments prior to AA and in the states that have banned it well blacks are doing better with AA then without and here’s the study

(Sidenote: You can’t do that and reacted emotionally because the factual data says otherwise)

Point 2 is invalid because there is no culture that denigrates knowledge and here is the study

(Sidenote: You can’t do that and reacted emotionally because the factual data says otherwise)

Point 3 is invalid and there is no illegitimacy problem in the black community and / or if there was it would have no impact.

(Sidenote: You can’t do that and reacted emotionally because the factual data says otherwise)

Ah liberals in the private sector – hours of entertainment.

So, let me see if I understand the brilliance of your logic: blacks are culturally disadvantaged. This is a result not a cause of educational underperformance. Because it didn’t start with slavery or Jim Crow, it’s a result of affirmative action.

So presumably prior to introduction of AA, blacks were doing fine educationally.

And your control group is Asians, the bulk of whom are from more recent immigrant families. Families wealthy enough and educated enough to get past modern immigration controls and wrangle a 10,000 mile flight from China or Taiwan.

In other words, you contrast the behaviors of a broad-based population with a very long history of oppression in the United States, with a self-selected elite population from entirely different cultures.

Yes, well, that makes . . . um, no sense.

And just so you know: my daughter is Chinese, so no I don’t have a prejudice against Asians. As it happens I’m part of the other group that is often contrasted with blacks: Jews. We also outperform like Asians. And yes, it’s true that like African-Americans we have a history of oppression but a rather unique one. European Jews were put in the position of gaining security from a culture of education. American blacks were put in the position of being murdered if they pursued a culture of education.

See how that might yield different cultural attitudes over time? See how maybe that makes comparisons like yours rather superficial and kind of stupid?

You either study hard enough to get the right answer or you don’t and if everyone told me in high school “You’ve got a pass” I would have much rather have been drinking beer/chasing girls.

Go to any freaking library and see who’s kids are in there studying and who’s are on the freaking street.

Corrupt culture rewarding bad behavior = more bad behavior

The Journal of Blacks In Higher Education
http://www.jbhe.com/features/53_SAT.html

[quote]Whites from families with incomes of less than $10,000 had a mean SAT score of 993. This is 130 points higher than the national mean for all blacks.

• Whites from families with incomes below $10,000 had a mean SAT test score that was 17 points higher than blacks whose families had incomes of more than $100,000. [/quote]

[quote]
If we eliminate Asians and other minorities from the statistics and compare just white and black students, we find that 5.4 percent of all white SAT test takers scored 700 or above on the verbal portion of the test. But only 0.74 percent of all black SAT test takers scored at this level. Therefore, whites were nearly seven times as likely as blacks to score 700 or above on the verbal SAT. Overall, there are more than 39 times as many whites as blacks who scored at least 700 on the verbal SAT.

On the math SAT, only 0.6 percent of all black test takers scored at least 700 compared to 6.4 percent of all white test takers. Thus, whites were more than 10 times as likely as blacks to score 700 or above on the math SAT. Overall, there were more than 53 times as many
whites as blacks who scored 700 or above on the math SAT.[/quote]

Shave with Occam’s Razor:

1st) We’ve spent decades letting black kids know that they will get a pass on the SAT and replace a more qualified candidate (SO WHY STUDY)

2nd) We have a culture that denigrates knowledge ie “you’re acting white”

3rd) Destruction of the black family ie illegitimacy.

I can guarrantee you that Asians (who score highest / lowest out of wedlock birthrate) would replace blacks as the lowest achievers if we spent 20 years or so going “Hey don’t study you get a pass” and told blacks “Hey you only get in on your test score BUT we are going to reserve some spots for Asians no matter what so you better be the top score so some other Asian gets bumped)

Common freaking sense.