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		<title>By: Mick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick,
You need to educate yourself as to the meaning and significance of the Natural Born Citizen requirement for the POTUS and VP. You obviously know nothing about it or you would have responded more specifically to my specific historical cite for the legal definition of the term, as stated by the Supreme Court. Instead you respond like most other uneducated radio hosts and bloggers, with "Looney birther" insults and nothing specific. That's just the point Rick, he is a USURPER not legally qualified for the office, and people like you are helping him cover that FACT with the "Birthers are Loony" insults. That is what the Birth Certificate is supposed to do, create a diversion from the real issue which needs no further documentation. Obama has already admitted that, at his birth, his citizenship was "governed" by the British Nationality Act of 1948, due to his father's Kenyan Citizenship. He was a dual citizen at birth, and as such could never be Natural Born, as the term prevents divided loyalties. Natural Born Citizen is one born on US Soil to 2 CITIZEN PARENTS. He could have been born in the White House, and still not be Natural Born. Now run off and do some Real journalism. You are now a useful tool of Obama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick,<br />
You need to educate yourself as to the meaning and significance of the Natural Born Citizen requirement for the POTUS and VP. You obviously know nothing about it or you would have responded more specifically to my specific historical cite for the legal definition of the term, as stated by the Supreme Court. Instead you respond like most other uneducated radio hosts and bloggers, with &#8220;Looney birther&#8221; insults and nothing specific. That&#8217;s just the point Rick, he is a USURPER not legally qualified for the office, and people like you are helping him cover that FACT with the &#8220;Birthers are Loony&#8221; insults. That is what the Birth Certificate is supposed to do, create a diversion from the real issue which needs no further documentation. Obama has already admitted that, at his birth, his citizenship was &#8220;governed&#8221; by the British Nationality Act of 1948, due to his father&#8217;s Kenyan Citizenship. He was a dual citizen at birth, and as such could never be Natural Born, as the term prevents divided loyalties. Natural Born Citizen is one born on US Soil to 2 CITIZEN PARENTS. He could have been born in the White House, and still not be Natural Born. Now run off and do some Real journalism. You are now a useful tool of Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: mannning</title>
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		<dc:creator>mannning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why, of course not, ang. Just because you said that doesn't make your complaint true either. 

The statement is attributed most of the time to Voltaire. Fortunately,to my knowledge, it has not been tested by the known democracies--not yet, anyway, but we are heading there. That it hasn't been tested yet doesn't mean it isn't true. 

Common sense would tell you that once the national treasury has been totally emptied, and the national debt exceeds our yearly revenue by, say,100, 200 or 300%, by representatives voting exactly as their constituents demand for the people to get a payoff of some kind, and we are further mortgaged by the President signing these excessive spending bills, &lt;i&gt;the nation is broke,&lt;/i&gt; out of money to pay salaries, bills, service on the debt, military operations and procurements, paying for jet fuel...the whole business of the US as a nation grinds to a halt. We are then bankrupt.

There is a limit to the amount the government can realize by taxing the people, too. Once that limit is reached in every income level, there is no more revenue for the government to be had. 
 
What might the citizens ask for?

Universal health care, universal college education, all mortgages underwritten by the government, cash for clunkers, transfusions by the billions and trillions to various industries such as autos and the financial sector (please save my job, gov!), rampant government growth and inefficiencies, ballooning welfare payments, paying for 1 to 2 million convenience abortions a year, allowing all plastic surgeries to be underwritten, guarantees by the government to the financial sector for their prior mistakes coming to light, perhaps a new war breaking out to drain us heavily, all lead to an empty treasury and a massive, unrepairable national debt. 

If there are no truly massive multi-trillion dollar loans from other nations to be had, or the loans run out and are called after a year or so for lack of payment of interest, what then? 

One might think that a full financial collapse would be the end of our republic. Don't you agree?

Let us hope that the current clowns in government are stopped and thrown out of office far, far short of bankrupting the nation completely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why, of course not, ang. Just because you said that doesn&#8217;t make your complaint true either. </p>
<p>The statement is attributed most of the time to Voltaire. Fortunately,to my knowledge, it has not been tested by the known democracies&#8211;not yet, anyway, but we are heading there. That it hasn&#8217;t been tested yet doesn&#8217;t mean it isn&#8217;t true. </p>
<p>Common sense would tell you that once the national treasury has been totally emptied, and the national debt exceeds our yearly revenue by, say,100, 200 or 300%, by representatives voting exactly as their constituents demand for the people to get a payoff of some kind, and we are further mortgaged by the President signing these excessive spending bills, <i>the nation is broke,</i> out of money to pay salaries, bills, service on the debt, military operations and procurements, paying for jet fuel&#8230;the whole business of the US as a nation grinds to a halt. We are then bankrupt.</p>
<p>There is a limit to the amount the government can realize by taxing the people, too. Once that limit is reached in every income level, there is no more revenue for the government to be had. </p>
<p>What might the citizens ask for?</p>
<p>Universal health care, universal college education, all mortgages underwritten by the government, cash for clunkers, transfusions by the billions and trillions to various industries such as autos and the financial sector (please save my job, gov!), rampant government growth and inefficiencies, ballooning welfare payments, paying for 1 to 2 million convenience abortions a year, allowing all plastic surgeries to be underwritten, guarantees by the government to the financial sector for their prior mistakes coming to light, perhaps a new war breaking out to drain us heavily, all lead to an empty treasury and a massive, unrepairable national debt. </p>
<p>If there are no truly massive multi-trillion dollar loans from other nations to be had, or the loans run out and are called after a year or so for lack of payment of interest, what then? </p>
<p>One might think that a full financial collapse would be the end of our republic. Don&#8217;t you agree?</p>
<p>Let us hope that the current clowns in government are stopped and thrown out of office far, far short of bankrupting the nation completely.</p>
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		<title>By: Mick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 21:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick,
Madison never heard of Vattel? How dumb are you? Are you that much of an apologist? You are certainly No Conservative.
Emerich de Vattel was a Swiss jurist, whose textbook "The Law of Nations" was highly influential in the period from 1758 to 1900. The Founding Fathers were very familiar with Vattel, who stated "natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens." 

Ben Franklin wrote of Vattel's book, "It . . has been continually in the hands of the members of our Congress." The librarian at Carpenters Hall reported that Vattel was the primary source read by the delegates of the Continental Congress. Chief Justice John Marshall quoted from Vattel more than from any other author.

Vattel's definition was repeated by the Supreme Court in Minor v. Happersett (1885): "It was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves . . . natural-born citizens." 

Furthermore, in U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark (1898) Justice Gray re-affirmed the Minor v. Happersett interpretation: "In Minor v. Happersett, Chief Justice Waite . . . said: "The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that." And he proceeded to resort to the common law as an aid in the construction of this provision."

By the way, Minor v. Happersett and Wong Kim Ark were after the 14th Amendment. Notice how they both say that the definition is not in the Constittution. Well the 14 Amendment was already there, so it's not in there! Notice how Vattel is quoted almost verbatim in Minor? Why don't you do some research since you supposedly have a radio show (which of course I already know that I would never listen to), and a supposedly Conservative Blog. Duh.

&lt;em&gt;For someone who refuses to acknowledge that the sun rises in the east and sets in the west, you certainly are a persistent cuss. Up is not down. Black is never white. And the idea I am an Obama supporter because I can see the nose in front of my face is absurd - as anyone with an ounce of intelligence would know if they read anything I've ever written.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Oh - other obvious things you deny? Obama is the legitimate president of the United States - recognized by the Congress, the state of Hawaii, and about 98% of the American people.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Duh.

ed.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick,<br />
Madison never heard of Vattel? How dumb are you? Are you that much of an apologist? You are certainly No Conservative.<br />
Emerich de Vattel was a Swiss jurist, whose textbook &#8220;The Law of Nations&#8221; was highly influential in the period from 1758 to 1900. The Founding Fathers were very familiar with Vattel, who stated &#8220;natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.&#8221; </p>
<p>Ben Franklin wrote of Vattel&#8217;s book, &#8220;It . . has been continually in the hands of the members of our Congress.&#8221; The librarian at Carpenters Hall reported that Vattel was the primary source read by the delegates of the Continental Congress. Chief Justice John Marshall quoted from Vattel more than from any other author.</p>
<p>Vattel&#8217;s definition was repeated by the Supreme Court in Minor v. Happersett (1885): &#8220;It was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves . . . natural-born citizens.&#8221; </p>
<p>Furthermore, in U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark (1898) Justice Gray re-affirmed the Minor v. Happersett interpretation: &#8220;In Minor v. Happersett, Chief Justice Waite . . . said: &#8220;The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that.&#8221; And he proceeded to resort to the common law as an aid in the construction of this provision.&#8221;</p>
<p>By the way, Minor v. Happersett and Wong Kim Ark were after the 14th Amendment. Notice how they both say that the definition is not in the Constittution. Well the 14 Amendment was already there, so it&#8217;s not in there! Notice how Vattel is quoted almost verbatim in Minor? Why don&#8217;t you do some research since you supposedly have a radio show (which of course I already know that I would never listen to), and a supposedly Conservative Blog. Duh.</p>
<p><em>For someone who refuses to acknowledge that the sun rises in the east and sets in the west, you certainly are a persistent cuss. Up is not down. Black is never white. And the idea I am an Obama supporter because I can see the nose in front of my face is absurd - as anyone with an ounce of intelligence would know if they read anything I&#8217;ve ever written.</em></p>
<p><em>Oh - other obvious things you deny? Obama is the legitimate president of the United States - recognized by the Congress, the state of Hawaii, and about 98% of the American people.</em></p>
<p><em>Duh.</p>
<p>ed.</em></p>
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		<title>By: angulimala</title>
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		<dc:creator>angulimala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 11:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Who was it that said, paraphrasing: “When the citizens realize that they can vote themselves money that will be the end of our republic.”&lt;/i&gt;

Just because someone said this doesn't mean it's true.

Name one historical, empirical example of this happening.  Name one republic/democracy that was ended by the people voting themselves money.  Rome?  No.  Athens?  No.  

Seriously, are there any examples of this at all or is it just a theoretical prediction that has never actually come true in the history of Democracies?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Who was it that said, paraphrasing: “When the citizens realize that they can vote themselves money that will be the end of our republic.”</i></p>
<p>Just because someone said this doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s true.</p>
<p>Name one historical, empirical example of this happening.  Name one republic/democracy that was ended by the people voting themselves money.  Rome?  No.  Athens?  No.  </p>
<p>Seriously, are there any examples of this at all or is it just a theoretical prediction that has never actually come true in the history of Democracies?</p>
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		<title>By: Mick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 21:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On who's authority is born here to 1 parent citizen a Natural Born Citizen? You are just as bad as the WSJ in the spread of Propoganda, AND you don't know what you are talking about. Maybe you should do a little investigation before spreading falsities on your blog.

http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/07/31/wall-street-journal-caught-spreading-false-legal-propaganda-via-james-taranto/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On who&#8217;s authority is born here to 1 parent citizen a Natural Born Citizen? You are just as bad as the WSJ in the spread of Propoganda, AND you don&#8217;t know what you are talking about. Maybe you should do a little investigation before spreading falsities on your blog.</p>
<p><a href="http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/07/31/wall-street-journal-caught-spreading-false-legal-propaganda-via-james-taranto/" rel="nofollow">http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/07/31/wall-street-journal-caught-spreading-false-legal-propaganda-via-james-taranto/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 20:59:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do you not know the real Legal reason that Obama is not a Natural Born Citizen? His father was not a Citizen when Obama 2 was born. Natural Born Citizen are born in the US of 2 Citizen Parents. This is NOT about US Citizenship, it's about Natural Born Citizenship (the requirement to be POTUS) DUH&#62; Are you really that uninformed?

&lt;em&gt;Where in the Constitution does it say both parents have to have been born here? You are mouthing a definition from a treatise published 10 years before the constitution was even written - never seen by Madison or anyone else.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;He was born here and born of a parent who was a citizen. That's all the requirement necessary. &lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Are you really that much of a loon?

ed.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you not know the real Legal reason that Obama is not a Natural Born Citizen? His father was not a Citizen when Obama 2 was born. Natural Born Citizen are born in the US of 2 Citizen Parents. This is NOT about US Citizenship, it&#8217;s about Natural Born Citizenship (the requirement to be POTUS) DUH&gt; Are you really that uninformed?</p>
<p><em>Where in the Constitution does it say both parents have to have been born here? You are mouthing a definition from a treatise published 10 years before the constitution was even written - never seen by Madison or anyone else.</em></p>
<p><em>He was born here and born of a parent who was a citizen. That&#8217;s all the requirement necessary. </em></p>
<p><em>Are you really that much of a loon?</p>
<p>ed.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Carole Sluis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carole Sluis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 20:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick...did you ever think that some may be against this program because it is not only for Americans as they would like you to believe.  Many don't like the fact that a large amount is for illegal aliens.  I'm sure you have an answer for that but some in the working class resent paying for a program for illegals.  It is a well known fact that there are those that will not sign up and they can't make them sooooooo do we throw the baby out with the bathwater and they will get cpverage anyway!!What has changed nothing for them but our healthcare has been jeopardized to say the least.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick&#8230;did you ever think that some may be against this program because it is not only for Americans as they would like you to believe.  Many don&#8217;t like the fact that a large amount is for illegal aliens.  I&#8217;m sure you have an answer for that but some in the working class resent paying for a program for illegals.  It is a well known fact that there are those that will not sign up and they can&#8217;t make them sooooooo do we throw the baby out with the bathwater and they will get cpverage anyway!!What has changed nothing for them but our healthcare has been jeopardized to say the least.</p>
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		<title>By: mannning</title>
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		<dc:creator>mannning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 18:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ funnyman: "Over time...etc"

The time you refer to must be centuries. We have not had all that much sanity in the political world for several decades, beginning with FDR, and landing now in the Obama administration and its profligate spending programs. 

The push me/pull you of our system has been won mostly by the liberals, who apparently do not have any economic common sense whatsoever--far less than the Bush administration, anyway. Bush played with billions, while the current crazies play with &lt;i&gt;trillions&lt;/i&gt;. 

Who was it that said, paraphrasing: "When the citizens realize that they can vote themselves money that will be the end of our republic."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ funnyman: &#8220;Over time&#8230;etc&#8221;</p>
<p>The time you refer to must be centuries. We have not had all that much sanity in the political world for several decades, beginning with FDR, and landing now in the Obama administration and its profligate spending programs. </p>
<p>The push me/pull you of our system has been won mostly by the liberals, who apparently do not have any economic common sense whatsoever&#8211;far less than the Bush administration, anyway. Bush played with billions, while the current crazies play with <i>trillions</i>. </p>
<p>Who was it that said, paraphrasing: &#8220;When the citizens realize that they can vote themselves money that will be the end of our republic.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: busboy33</title>
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		<dc:creator>busboy33</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 08:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@funny man:

"Over time with the occasional hick up, sane minds will prevail."

For almost 4 decades I've held fast to that belief.  I won't lie . . . I'm starting to doubt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@funny man:</p>
<p>&#8220;Over time with the occasional hick up, sane minds will prevail.&#8221;</p>
<p>For almost 4 decades I&#8217;ve held fast to that belief.  I won&#8217;t lie . . . I&#8217;m starting to doubt.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Tucson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck Tucson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 05:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The three most influential people in the GOP: Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck and Orly Taitz.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well played, Reynolds, well played.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The three most influential people in the GOP: Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck and Orly Taitz.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well played, Reynolds, well played.</p>
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