Comments on: PALIN’S OUTRAGEOUS DEMAGOGUERY: WHY NOT? EVERYONE ELSE IS DOING IT.

By: Scrapiron

Scrapiron — Fri, 14 Aug 2009 04:11:29 +0000

Don’t you feel bad that the Senate canned the ‘death panel’ part of President O’Dumbo health care bill today? I should say the puppets health care bill. President O’Dumbo is so stupid he can’t string three words togather when the teleprompter fails. I guess all of the left wingers will enjoy their ‘postal service’ type medical care.

By: lionheart

lionheart — Thu, 13 Aug 2009 20:02:46 +0000

There is at least some level of vindication for Palin in that the Senate Finance committee today dropped the “death panel” provisions from the Senate bill: http://hotair.com/archives/2009/08/13/breaking-finance-committee-drops-death-panel-provisions-from-senate-bill/

Pretty effective demagoguery, huh?

By: Monday links fiesta « Public Secrets

Monday links fiesta « Public Secrets — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 20:30:26 +0000

[...] firestorm, even on the Right. Rick Moran, normally a level-headed writer, denounced her for outrageous demagoguery. Smitty at The Other McCain, on the other hand, drew his sword to defend Mrs. Palin and denounce [...]

By: wheelers_cat

wheelers_cat — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 14:36:49 +0000

Some are more demagoguey than others, Rick.
We already have Death Panels….they are just free-market ones called insurance company care-authorization review boards.

By: busboy33

busboy33 — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:26:45 +0000

@Anonomaton:

So . . . your proof for that wild accusation is a FU@KING YOUTUBE VIDEO that starts with “O Fortuna” playing, opens with a comment about Comrade Obama, then fades to a picture of Obama wearing The Joker makeup from The Dark Night?

Out of curiosity . . . does this shit actually work on you? If I made a whackjob video of Rush or Palin, would you suddenly decide they were evil? All this time Blues were trying to discuss facts and the issues. I gues they just should have hired the director from the “Saw” movies to whip up some PSAs and cow you into submission.

By: Anonomaton

Anonomaton — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 05:20:04 +0000

Obamacare will be the death of the elderly and the seriously ill. You are 4 more times likely to die in Britain from prostate cancer and 5 times morel likely to die in Britain than the U.S. with breast cancer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGgliJ92Hf0

By: Doug King

Doug King — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 05:17:58 +0000

“It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts.” (Sherlock Homes, A Scandal in Bohemia) Holmes, of course, was talking about our current health care controversy. Pundits are adept at spinning theories in the absence of facts.

Emotions are running high because Democrats are trying to rush this legislation through as quickly as possible, before the public has time to understand and digest the facts. Even Senator Spector (D-PA) admits to not reading the entire bill due to lack of time. I such circumstances, I think public skepticism and resistance is justified.

I can understand a negative reactions by folks on either side of this controversy. Lacking real data, they are simply responding to what pundits (elected or unelected) are theorizing or saying.

There is no excuse, however, for leaders to make irresponsible and inflammatory comments in an effort to whip up their base. I’m disappointed by Palin’s remarks. I’m not surprised by Pelosi’s vacuous comments on swastikas. I agree with Rick that leaders on both sides are behaving badly. However, I lay the greater blame on the Democrat because they are the ones trying to rush the legislation through.

The public needs and deserves more time – many months — to study, understand, and consider these proposals, which the President and other Democrats admit represents a fundamental and sweeping change to America’s health care system. Any attempt to short-circuit the public’s right to understand and comment on the facts can and should be resisted.

By: bobwire

bobwire — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 03:22:24 +0000

Sarah Palin should pay for the health costs of her child, if she does not have insurance.

I am not aware of extra costs due to Down’s syndrome, but OK, it’s not my kid and if her husband’s insurance does not cover the child then maybe she should not have walked out of her last job!

What’s on offer is a public option, understand the word “option”. This will help cover to a great extent all those people you hate that have no insurance. You should be glad that the health care for those types will be rationed. You will then outlive them.

As Rick Moran has no health insurance, he is taking a gamble. But it’s a gamble he is willing to take. An adult making choices he is. Easier to do when you have no kids, nor apparently pets. How about some pet photos? Show us your humanity.

By: Harry Reid, Hiding Behind His Telephone

Harry Reid, Hiding Behind His Telephone — Sun, 09 Aug 2009 23:51:22 +0000

[...] because he has no intention of changing his mind, no matter what argument you bring. That is why, contra my friend Rick Moran, it is essential that we who oppose Reid’s not-at-all creeping totalitarianism make it very [...]

By: AlexD

AlexD — Sun, 09 Aug 2009 21:19:40 +0000

“But what I like EVEN MORE is reading the angry comments by right wingers who think that a rational intelligent approach somehow equivalent with a Liberal or Leftist view. And it is especially funny because - indeed - if being rational IS equivalent to being Liberal or Left then that is not actually a bad thing. The opposite is being irrational and dumb. Do right wingers actually want to be labeled irrational and dumb?”

“Sorry, but you’re a little out of the loop up there in Mooseland.”

Is that what you mean by “rational intelligent approach”? Looks more like an emotional attack coming from the Left, thus the comparisons.

Anyway you hit the nail on the head. Real right-wingers DO NOT want NOT to be labeled “irrational and dumb”. They want to prevent socialism, tyrany, limiting of free speech, inequality before the law etc. These things mean to them quite more than being labeled “irrattional” by their foes. Thus they won’t take a dump (although they may ofcourse disagree) on their side now and then because the rhetoric is too emotional for them. This Rick guy on the other hand is all about avoiding being labeled “irrational and dumb” and if it requires occasional dumping so be it.

In this particular instance the rhetoric is only marginally over-the-top given Ezekiel Emanuel’s thoughts. But it evidently was too much for this guy’s precious ego. He may be labeled “dumb” you know. Now that’s serious.

The problem with such guys is you know when they will stab in the back you next, whatever rhetoric they will deem “excessive” and “unfair” next and attack you on that.

Did referring to “Death Panels” advance the debate on our side or hurt it?

With people who think like you, evidently not. But then, you’re already convinced - as am I - that this is a horrible proposal for health care reform.

For others? I don’t see how anyone can rationally say that it helped the cause. And if it did it by scaring people unnecessarily, then it is dishonest, rotten politics and I want no part of it.

ed.