If the Klu Klux Klan supports strict enforcement of the country’s current immigration laws as a first step towards purging the country of all Hispanic culture and populace, does it logically follow that this is also the Republican party’s motive for advocating strict enforcement of said laws?

If Tom Tancredo supports it for similar reasons, does *that* allow one to conclude the same?
Does it logically follow that this action would actually have that consequence? Or is it, essentially, red-meat BS?

The word “public plan” holds a wide variety of possible concepts, but the one actually in the House and HELP bills subsidizes individuals regardless of whether they choose private or public coverage. Also, it is deficit neutral over ten years. A public plan that offered wildly cheap care compared to private alternatives might conceivably be a “Trojan horse to single payer”, but this public plan has no prospect of doing any such thing. Heck, there are explicit promises to keep medical care provider reimbursements near-to-even with current standards!

Don’t you pride yourself on knowledge and rational thought? And yet, you’ve decided the ‘public plan’ is a “trojan” horse because some radical, somewhere, spoke about it possibly being so. You’ve stumbled on an example of left-wing red meat BS. Try not to confuse it with reality.

For Pete’s sake, man, just read the CBO reports. Or read *coverage* of the CBO reports. 10 million people out of 140 million leaving private insurance is not the end of the private insurance industry. It is, however, a much needed signal that the days of near-infinite knifing your customers in the back needs to change.

“michael reynolds Said:
3:33 pm

I’ve suspected from the start that the public option was trade goods. It’s not an original idea with me, though I can’t remember who was suggesting it many months ago.

But you’ll notice that opposition is centered almost entirely on the public option.

In the meantime we’ve all more or less coalesced around portability, no pre-existing conditions, transparency, vouchers for the poor, modification of the tax deduction system and tax increases on the well-off and maybe a national as opposed to state insurance market.

I liked the public option because I like more choice rather than less. But I always thought that’s what we’d be willing to give up to get 75% of what we wanted.

So now we can drop the PO, the Blue Dogs can come rushing back and claim victory. We’ll probably get the Maine women, too, and maybe a random GOPer here or there. The bill will pass. It will be the Obama health care reform, it will be arguably bi-partisan.

It will do little or nothing to bring down costs. For which we can conveniently blame right-wing GOP intransigence and scare-mongering. (The Blue Dogs will be forgiven and forgotten.)

Then, in a few years, we’ll add the public option.

Obama doesn’t care who gets credit, or what people say about him. He only cares about what he gets done. He will have gotten done what he needed to get done.”

—Michael Reynolds, 08/16/09, before the script changed and the Public Option became absolutely necessary–again.

Facts and old posts are stubborned things.

Do I get any credit for being close?

The internet hereby grants you 85% credit.

I know I’ve used “brains of a coffee table” before. Do I get any credit for being close?

ed.

I’d ask you to make some sense of your comment, then I realized you’ve never made sense. Like talking to a dining room table.

Heh - funniest thing I’ve read during this entire debate - even though it may have been a scripted moment by Frank. Sounds like something I’d say to you after one of your flights of fancy.

ed.

Steve

A whopping 83% of Americans believe the quality of health care they receive is “excellent” or “good” according to this Gallup poll from last December. And 67% believe their health care insurance is also “excellent” or “good.”

Err, who’s arguing about the quality of healthcare in the USA? Its the COST thats the problem! That same Gallup poll said:

…the overwhelming majority of Americans — 79% — say they are dissatisfied with the total cost of healthcare in this country…

Win a few elections?

Sure.

Bring it.

I’ll give you a couple more:

1) Social Security “reform.”
2) Partial birth abortion ban.

Given a while I’m sure you and I could come up plenty more.