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	<title>Comments on: WHAT IF &#8216;OBAMACARE&#8217; MORPHS INTO KENNEDYKARE?</title>
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		<title>By: Dewey From Detroit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dewey From Detroit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 21:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about Kopechne-Kare? For those who've lived their maximum allowed "life years."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about Kopechne-Kare? For those who&#8217;ve lived their maximum allowed &#8220;life years.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Travis Monitor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Travis Monitor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 04:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"(Cook puts the Dem MoCs at plus 20 now) might–might–be swayed because they know it is over for them. But most pols never can admit to themselves they will be defeated."

If they think they have a chance of surviving (and most honestly do, re-elect rates are usually above 95%) they wont commit suicide over ObamaCare .... That's like having a cyanide pill in your mouth and making the decision to bite down hard. If you think you can survive, would you do that?

"Once again, the Obama White House (and also the media, with its fawning coverage of Kennedy) is just reading the nation wrong on this one." 

Once again, the liberal MSM thinks they are inside the heads of most Americans and dont realize they are as outdated and obsolete as Kennedy's liberalism. Honestly, they are so clueless its laughable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;(Cook puts the Dem MoCs at plus 20 now) might–might–be swayed because they know it is over for them. But most pols never can admit to themselves they will be defeated.&#8221;</p>
<p>If they think they have a chance of surviving (and most honestly do, re-elect rates are usually above 95%) they wont commit suicide over ObamaCare &#8230;. That&#8217;s like having a cyanide pill in your mouth and making the decision to bite down hard. If you think you can survive, would you do that?</p>
<p>&#8220;Once again, the Obama White House (and also the media, with its fawning coverage of Kennedy) is just reading the nation wrong on this one.&#8221; </p>
<p>Once again, the liberal MSM thinks they are inside the heads of most Americans and dont realize they are as outdated and obsolete as Kennedy&#8217;s liberalism. Honestly, they are so clueless its laughable.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 18:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't think there's as much political capital in Kennedy's death as the dems seem to think there is, so once again, I think Obama and Pelosi are going to have a tin ear here and they are going to be stunned by the negative reaction to their "do it for Teddy" push. I have visions of a little old lady at a town hall meeting saying "Ted Kennedy doesn't have a darn thing to do with my health insurance; what are you people talking about?!" Obama speaking at the funeral will be transparently political, so most will view it as an overt political act by a White House whose agenda is in trouble. In fact, Obama's crass exploitation of this death is very likely to create a backlash which, of course, he'll never see coming because he just doesn't get it.

I live in a fairly liberal town, and honestly Kennedy's death is being met with a kind of ho-hum disinterest, and an underlying "are we finally done with that family?" I see absolutely no outpouring of grief that requires immediate action by Congress on health care or anything else. I just don't see it. Once again, the Obama White House (and also the media, with its fawning coverage of Kennedy) is just reading the nation wrong on this one. Ted Kennedy was a hero to a fairly small group of far-left people. 

The screeching negative reaction to Caroline Kennedy's "candidacy" for Hillary's seat should demonstrate to the dems that the Kennedy mystique went away a long time ago. Their efforts to resurrect it to pass a health care bill the nation does not want will be met with more mocking and more anger. The American people have already shown Obama quite clearly that they do not want to be toyed with on this issue. This transparent effort of engaging voters' pathos with a dead senator named Kennedy is just going to be seen as more insulting stagecraft and manipulation. It really is like watching a train wreck about to happen and you can't do a thing to stop it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s as much political capital in Kennedy&#8217;s death as the dems seem to think there is, so once again, I think Obama and Pelosi are going to have a tin ear here and they are going to be stunned by the negative reaction to their &#8220;do it for Teddy&#8221; push. I have visions of a little old lady at a town hall meeting saying &#8220;Ted Kennedy doesn&#8217;t have a darn thing to do with my health insurance; what are you people talking about?!&#8221; Obama speaking at the funeral will be transparently political, so most will view it as an overt political act by a White House whose agenda is in trouble. In fact, Obama&#8217;s crass exploitation of this death is very likely to create a backlash which, of course, he&#8217;ll never see coming because he just doesn&#8217;t get it.</p>
<p>I live in a fairly liberal town, and honestly Kennedy&#8217;s death is being met with a kind of ho-hum disinterest, and an underlying &#8220;are we finally done with that family?&#8221; I see absolutely no outpouring of grief that requires immediate action by Congress on health care or anything else. I just don&#8217;t see it. Once again, the Obama White House (and also the media, with its fawning coverage of Kennedy) is just reading the nation wrong on this one. Ted Kennedy was a hero to a fairly small group of far-left people. </p>
<p>The screeching negative reaction to Caroline Kennedy&#8217;s &#8220;candidacy&#8221; for Hillary&#8217;s seat should demonstrate to the dems that the Kennedy mystique went away a long time ago. Their efforts to resurrect it to pass a health care bill the nation does not want will be met with more mocking and more anger. The American people have already shown Obama quite clearly that they do not want to be toyed with on this issue. This transparent effort of engaging voters&#8217; pathos with a dead senator named Kennedy is just going to be seen as more insulting stagecraft and manipulation. It really is like watching a train wreck about to happen and you can&#8217;t do a thing to stop it.</p>
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		<title>By: jackson1234</title>
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		<dc:creator>jackson1234</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 18:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tps: Thanks for the reality check. Although it bolsters the point I made, it also is another reason Kennedy's death &lt;b&gt;won't&lt;/b&gt; be a factor. I'm getting too old to remember the Camelot mythology belongs to people who are mostly dead now. The percentage that does recall Teddy probably breaks down like lion speculated, particularly in the Blue Dog and swing districts: overwhelmingly negative. Coupled with a possible majority who don't even know who Kennedy is...well, my point stands.

The only Dems delusional enough to think the Blue Dogs and red state Dem senators will jump into the fire over Kennedy are those from the bluest of blue states, in other words, those most out of touch with reality. Those who face a looming bloodbath in 2010 harbor no such delusions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tps: Thanks for the reality check. Although it bolsters the point I made, it also is another reason Kennedy&#8217;s death <b>won&#8217;t</b> be a factor. I&#8217;m getting too old to remember the Camelot mythology belongs to people who are mostly dead now. The percentage that does recall Teddy probably breaks down like lion speculated, particularly in the Blue Dog and swing districts: overwhelmingly negative. Coupled with a possible majority who don&#8217;t even know who Kennedy is&#8230;well, my point stands.</p>
<p>The only Dems delusional enough to think the Blue Dogs and red state Dem senators will jump into the fire over Kennedy are those from the bluest of blue states, in other words, those most out of touch with reality. Those who face a looming bloodbath in 2010 harbor no such delusions.</p>
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		<title>By: tps</title>
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		<dc:creator>tps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 18:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#2 lionhart:

I think the 65% repulsed is a little high. Its more like 50+% 'Ted who?'. People know him from seeing on tv, etc but deep emotions outside of Mass, the northeast, politcal class I doubt it. Nothing against him but he wasn't our senator and a good chunk doesn't remember 'Camelot'.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#2 lionhart:</p>
<p>I think the 65% repulsed is a little high. Its more like 50+% &#8216;Ted who?&#8217;. People know him from seeing on tv, etc but deep emotions outside of Mass, the northeast, politcal class I doubt it. Nothing against him but he wasn&#8217;t our senator and a good chunk doesn&#8217;t remember &#8216;Camelot&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Giles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Giles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 17:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, another example of the Liberal's "Fun House" mirror view of reality. With the exception of the state of Massachusetts, do they believe that Ted Kennedy is as popular outside the Beltway as inside it? Are they assuming that his Kennedy last name, will cause memory loss anywhere other then the MSM?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, another example of the Liberal&#8217;s &#8220;Fun House&#8221; mirror view of reality. With the exception of the state of Massachusetts, do they believe that Ted Kennedy is as popular outside the Beltway as inside it? Are they assuming that his Kennedy last name, will cause memory loss anywhere other then the MSM?</p>
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		<title>By: jackson1234</title>
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		<dc:creator>jackson1234</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 16:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are wrong. Dem MoC's in swing districts and Dem senators in red states know full well their constituents not only didn't give a shit about Kennedy, most viscerally hated him, including a substantial number of conservative Democrats. Those are the votes that matter, and the number of officals who will fall on their swords over Kennedy probably can be counted on one finger.

I don't know if lion's numbers can be verified, but they strike me as about right. Dems may have gotten totally out of touch with reality in the last few months, but those who face tough re-election campaigns next year are fully aware that Kennedy dead or alive was irrelevant as to how their constituents would treat them if they voted for this bill. Now, some who may know they are going down next year (Cook puts the Dem MoCs at plus 20 now) might--might--be swayed because they know it is over for them. But most pols never can admit to themselves they will be defeated.

I'll go out on a limb. Health care reform with a public option is dead, and all the publicity stunts in the world won't revive it.

This isn't a matter of propriety. It is a matter of reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are wrong. Dem MoC&#8217;s in swing districts and Dem senators in red states know full well their constituents not only didn&#8217;t give a shit about Kennedy, most viscerally hated him, including a substantial number of conservative Democrats. Those are the votes that matter, and the number of officals who will fall on their swords over Kennedy probably can be counted on one finger.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if lion&#8217;s numbers can be verified, but they strike me as about right. Dems may have gotten totally out of touch with reality in the last few months, but those who face tough re-election campaigns next year are fully aware that Kennedy dead or alive was irrelevant as to how their constituents would treat them if they voted for this bill. Now, some who may know they are going down next year (Cook puts the Dem MoCs at plus 20 now) might&#8211;might&#8211;be swayed because they know it is over for them. But most pols never can admit to themselves they will be defeated.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll go out on a limb. Health care reform with a public option is dead, and all the publicity stunts in the world won&#8217;t revive it.</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t a matter of propriety. It is a matter of reality.</p>
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		<title>By: Travis Monitor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Travis Monitor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 16:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Wellstone memorial is exhibit A in how NOT to do a memorial service.
 There's a line between praise and memorials and pep-rallies. Perhaps its because Wellstone was such an activist and he died mid-campaign that his followers behaved that way. God help us all if the liberal Kennedy fans try an over-the-top redo of that fiasco.  If McCain is booed while attending the service you'll know the line is crossed. Yes, it will backfire. 

If ObamaCare is called KennedyCare so be it. Kennedy was an undisciplined over-the-top tax-and-spend Liberal and so its not an unfit label for an over-the-top tax-and-spend power-grab and Trojan Horse for single-payer. As #2 points out, though, this will not impress the vast majority of American voters who have no use for socialized medicine or for Kennedy the politician. It will just remind us of why we oppose it. 

In fact, Chrissie Matthews absurd "Obama is the last brother" comment does more to hurt than help Obama ... he's now anchored to the tax-and-spend liberalism of Ted Kennedy. that's *old* not new. The more the two are associated the worse it is for Obama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Wellstone memorial is exhibit A in how NOT to do a memorial service.<br />
 There&#8217;s a line between praise and memorials and pep-rallies. Perhaps its because Wellstone was such an activist and he died mid-campaign that his followers behaved that way. God help us all if the liberal Kennedy fans try an over-the-top redo of that fiasco.  If McCain is booed while attending the service you&#8217;ll know the line is crossed. Yes, it will backfire. </p>
<p>If ObamaCare is called KennedyCare so be it. Kennedy was an undisciplined over-the-top tax-and-spend Liberal and so its not an unfit label for an over-the-top tax-and-spend power-grab and Trojan Horse for single-payer. As #2 points out, though, this will not impress the vast majority of American voters who have no use for socialized medicine or for Kennedy the politician. It will just remind us of why we oppose it. </p>
<p>In fact, Chrissie Matthews absurd &#8220;Obama is the last brother&#8221; comment does more to hurt than help Obama &#8230; he&#8217;s now anchored to the tax-and-spend liberalism of Ted Kennedy. that&#8217;s *old* not new. The more the two are associated the worse it is for Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Tucson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck Tucson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 16:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And baby, the Dems are going to milk the death of Kennedy until they wring every last ounce of political capital they can manage from his rotund carcass.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well played Rick. This wasn't just some simple LOL here. There was an LLOL. I literally laughed out loud, thus putting to rest the rumor that Republicans are mostly unfunny. Thank you. More please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And baby, the Dems are going to milk the death of Kennedy until they wring every last ounce of political capital they can manage from his rotund carcass.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well played Rick. This wasn&#8217;t just some simple LOL here. There was an LLOL. I literally laughed out loud, thus putting to rest the rumor that Republicans are mostly unfunny. Thank you. More please.</p>
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		<title>By: lionheart</title>
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		<dc:creator>lionheart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 16:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick, I read, understand and agree with you (from yesterday's post) that Kennedy was responsible for some good legislation.  I also understand the press coverage, considering his famous family, his tenure in the Senate, and the controversy throughout his life.

However, I am certain that, as much press as this is getting, the left is completely confused about Main Street's opinion of the man.  Of course, this is completely unscientific, but I'd put the percentage of Americans that loved him at 10%, liked him at 15%, were repulsed by him at 65%, and hated his guts to hell at 10%.  Now I don't run with any lefty loons, but everybody I know (even my democratic friends, and yes, I have a few) were repulsed by him.

All of this is to say that tying an very unpopular government program to an extremely unpopular elitist-liberal-career-politician can only help conservatives.  Please, please, please, name it KenndyKare!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick, I read, understand and agree with you (from yesterday&#8217;s post) that Kennedy was responsible for some good legislation.  I also understand the press coverage, considering his famous family, his tenure in the Senate, and the controversy throughout his life.</p>
<p>However, I am certain that, as much press as this is getting, the left is completely confused about Main Street&#8217;s opinion of the man.  Of course, this is completely unscientific, but I&#8217;d put the percentage of Americans that loved him at 10%, liked him at 15%, were repulsed by him at 65%, and hated his guts to hell at 10%.  Now I don&#8217;t run with any lefty loons, but everybody I know (even my democratic friends, and yes, I have a few) were repulsed by him.</p>
<p>All of this is to say that tying an very unpopular government program to an extremely unpopular elitist-liberal-career-politician can only help conservatives.  Please, please, please, name it KenndyKare!</p>
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