Can you supply a link that proves Cheney was using rubber shot that day?…

Cheney was using pellets - and they were not made of rubber. I flubbed on this one. It was NOT made of rubber.

But i dont know what exactly these were made of - and no, they did not prove to be fatal - remember Cheney’s friend was an old guy - he could have easily been dead on the spot if the pellets had stronger lead composition.

That said…I personally DO NOT wonder why progressives get smeared as “pinko-commies” by conservatives…the answer to that one is simple…It’s because most conservatives don’t know the difference between communism, collectivism, fascism, nationalism, socialism, patriotism, nazism, capitalism, or the color pink..

Its because we cut the bullshit out and cut right to the chase… you are all a bunch of high falutin moralists who have zero respect for the individual… “collective/common/greater” good is the excuse that you give for all your social engineering schemes - the difference between all these collectivist philosophies is IN DEGREE.. not in substance.Something that you dont have the intellecutal honesty to admit to.

All these frauds involve submission of the individual’s wil to the co-ercive power of the state in the name of the “greater good”.

Some of these such as communism ended up killing thousands and millions of people - just as you are able to cooly rationalize the death of Mary Jo, so were many of your liberal compatriots who “understood” Uncle Joe’s reasons for the gulag and said nothing about Mao’s “great leap” forward.

For conservatives to obsess about a single innocent life lost to the bad judgment of one liberal politician is the ultimate in hypocrisy…Especially since the last administrations bad judgment has resulted in the elimination of hundreds of thousands of innocent lives..
all those Democrats who voted for the Iraq war… hmm, lets see all their sins are absolved. You dont have the balls to even admit that the first resolution in Congress that considered Saddam Hussein dangerous and called for a regime change came from A Democrat President, A Democrat Senate Majority leader Tom Daschle - co-sponsored by two Democrats, Dodd and Kerry = remember the Iraq regime change resolution of 1998 ??

http://newwars.blogspot.com/2007/02/1998-iraq-resolution.html

Iraq was a mistake of BOTH Democrats and Republican politicans - and you want to conveniently blame the “conservatives” alone ?? You think that suddenly one fine day Bush decreed that Iraq must be invaded and NOTHING happened in terms of debates on how to proceed?

So don’t pretend to actually care about the life of Mary Jo Kopechne…she is nothing more than a political pawn used by conservatives to smear one of the most influential politians in the history of this country..

You first stop pretending that you are concerned for Dick Cheney’s friend more than Dick Cheney himself - he was nothing more than a political pawn to get to bash a guy who was one of the most influential Vice Presidents in history.

And no it only requires common decency to feel bad for BOTH Mary Jo and Cheney’s friend - something that you obviously lack.

The only difference is that Cheney was interested in his friend’s well being and checked on his status after being admitted to the hospital… unlike the man that you so love who ran away from a drowning woman in pursuit of his own life and didnt report it in pursuit of his greed for Presidential power.

The only logical explanation of Kennedy’s ridiculous behavior and unconvincing explanation is that at the time the accident happened, he had no idea that Mary Jo was sleeping on the back of his car while he and his female companion, both under the influence of alcohol, were rushing to the beach to satisfy their lust. They both managed to escape, leaving unknowingly Mary Jo to her slow and painful death in a sank car.

When Kennedy and his buddies realized that Mary Jo was in the car, it was too late to invent a completely new scenario, so they came up with a modified one that would minimize damage to Kennedy’s political career.

Should Kennedy report the accident right after it happened, as he was required by the law, Mary Jo would have been, most likely, spared.

So, was Kennedy a monster who knowingly left a human being in need in order to protect his own ass? I don’t think so. Was he a self-centered opportunist (like the one pictured in the movie “Emperor’s Club”) who thought that he was above the law as long as he could get away with what he’d done? You bet he was.

The “mainstream” media brouhaha of Kennedy’s “redemption” tacitly ignores one inconvenient fact: he never came clean and never revealed what really happened that tragic night. (Why am I not surprised?) Should he do so, I would probably be among those calling for forgiveness and for giving him a chance to straighten his life.

I’ll readily admit that that particular victim of Dick Cheney did live through his ordeal…Could Cheneys victim have died?…Sure…Would that have made a comparison viable…Maybe…but that wasn’t my point…My main thrust was not equating the two episodes, but pointing out that accidents happen, and that politicians in general will take the time necessary to cover their asses in a crisis..

You may not have noticed that I didn’t mention Ted Kennedy at all in either of my first two posts on this topic…You and your name-calling compatriot assumed that I was making a moral comparison, which allowed you both to act like 5 year old little boys, running around the room with your fingers in your ears, going LALALALALALALALALA…NEENER NEENER NEENER..

Calling me a “dolt” an “assclown” and telling me to “shut up” are all weak arguments which I will answer with a quote from Elbert Hubbard…

“If you can’t answer a man’s arguments, all is not lost; you can still call him vile names.”

That said…I personally DO NOT wonder why progressives get smeared as “pinko-commies” by conservatives…the answer to that one is simple..

It’s because most conservatives don’t know the difference between communism, collectivism, fascism, nationalism, socialism, patriotism, nazism, capitalism, or the color pink..

As for the the “bullets” in Cheneys shotgun…they’re actually called “shot” or “pellets”, and each one is a sphere of dense metal such as lead, which is often plated with copper or nickel…

Can you supply a link that proves Cheney was using rubber shot that day?…

I didn’t think so..

What the Cheneyquiddick story illustrates is that when politians screw up bigtime…they tend to stonewall until they get their story straight…that’s all…I never defended the actions of Ted Kennedy…He plead guilty to leaving the scene of an accident…and he was guilty of that crime..

For conservatives to obsess about a single innocent life lost to the bad judgment of one liberal politician is the ultimate in hypocrisy…Especially since the last administrations bad judgment has resulted in the elimination of hundreds of thousands of innocent lives..

So don’t pretend to actually care about the life of Mary Jo Kopechne…she is nothing more than a political pawn used by conservatives to smear one of the most influential politians in the history of this country..

You aren’t even comparing apples and oranges - more like apples and nuclear bombs. Did Cheney’s victim survive? That is the key moral question - one you avoid because you know you lose big time if you answer it.

That singular fact makes the rest of your analogy nothing more than smoke - a partisan attempt to equate two incidents that cannot be equated morally, factually, or logically.

Give it up.

ed.

Is it any wonder that more than a few liberals have the same moral compass as that of any good old fashioned collectivist? And these people wonder why they get “smeared” as pinko-commies.

Moltenorb, No one asked you to make an assclown of yourself today, but you still insist.

Please shut up.

But now that you mention it…GW was the first one notified of the attempted murder of Harry Whittington…not local law enforcement.

I call it “attempted murder” here because Cheney was never charged with that crime, the same way as you use the phrase “Kennedy’s manslaughter” when Teddy was never charged with that particular crime…Fair enough?

It was the next day when the local sherrif first interviewed Cheney and began the official investigation. Who knows why it took so long to make the perp available to the local authorities?…Maybe Dick tossed a few beers back while shooting…We’ll never know..

Everyone involved stonewalled both law enforcement and media overnight, bypassing any blood alcohol tests..

The victim had a heart attack from a pellet that migrated and lodged in or near his heart. he spent about a week in the hospital if I remember correctly…

Lucky Dick..

My original point was that accidents happen…Its not Cheneys fault he shot the guy…the woods are full of six foot 200 pound quail…any one could have made the same mistake..

Maybe if Dick (”I had other priorities in the 60’s than military service.”)Cheney had actually served his country in battle instead of seeking 5 deferments during Vietnam, he would have been a bit more thoughtful wielding his shotgun that day…

We’ll never know..

She DIED. He LIED. And continued to LIE as any good liberal is wont to do. She is dead

Yeah Gayle, because I’m sure a “Conservative” politician would just have fessed up to drunk-driving a young woman somewhere on a quest to commit adultery.

Lying is something that politicians, liberal AND conservative, are wont to do.

Second, with regards to Mike’s comment:

“…what will occur with the Democrats’ H.3200, where, when the rationing of health care finally begins (and it WILL happen; sooner if we allow 47 million uninsured to participate)…”

ALLOW to participate in getting basic health care? ALLOW? So you are so freaking special that 47 million Americans should just die or go bankrupt so… what? You don’t have to stand in line somewhere? I am so deeply moved by your compassion.

Thank you, Rick.