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	<title>Comments on: THE FORMERLY CONSERVATIVE BLOG KNOWN AS REDSTATE</title>
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	<description>Politics served up with a smile... And a stilletto.</description>
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		<title>By: DoorHold</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2009/09/01/the-formerly-conservative-blog-known-as-redstate/comment-page-1/#comment-1763984</link>
		<dc:creator>DoorHold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 15:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am SO tired of discussions about important issues being derailed by all those tired, Internet-old arguments over whether or not the discussion meets certain criteria.

What's that meme about the first person to refer to Hitler or the Nazis ending the discussion? The same should apply to the first person to demand "LINK!" or "PROOF!" or any of a hundred other arguments, including those you highlight here, whose sole and true purpose is to destablize the discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am SO tired of discussions about important issues being derailed by all those tired, Internet-old arguments over whether or not the discussion meets certain criteria.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s that meme about the first person to refer to Hitler or the Nazis ending the discussion? The same should apply to the first person to demand &#8220;LINK!&#8221; or &#8220;PROOF!&#8221; or any of a hundred other arguments, including those you highlight here, whose sole and true purpose is to destablize the discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Gardner</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2009/09/01/the-formerly-conservative-blog-known-as-redstate/comment-page-1/#comment-1763917</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 19:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick, maybe next time you shouldn't start off by calling people angry ideologues.  You know there is a whole Majority Party and Marxist President you could have sunk you teeth into.  Instead you chose to go after those on you side.  You came down to lay judgement on those you felt to be beneath you, and you got served in the process.

Also I think you fundamentally misunderstand what Kirk meant.  You totally forget to take into account the principle of custom continuity and convention.  This principle along with prudence, variety and prescription must be weighed to decide between permanence and change.

You can't just pick and choose which of Kirk's principles you want to follow.  It's more in or out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick, maybe next time you shouldn&#8217;t start off by calling people angry ideologues.  You know there is a whole Majority Party and Marxist President you could have sunk you teeth into.  Instead you chose to go after those on you side.  You came down to lay judgement on those you felt to be beneath you, and you got served in the process.</p>
<p>Also I think you fundamentally misunderstand what Kirk meant.  You totally forget to take into account the principle of custom continuity and convention.  This principle along with prudence, variety and prescription must be weighed to decide between permanence and change.</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t just pick and choose which of Kirk&#8217;s principles you want to follow.  It&#8217;s more in or out.</p>
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		<title>By: Portlandreader</title>
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		<dc:creator>Portlandreader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 15:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick,

I'm not surprised by the treatment you received at Redstate. 

I stopped reading it shortly before the 2008 election.

Long time posters getting 'blammed' for daring to post honest ideas &#38; opinions. Anything that remotely crossed the moderator's views were being ridiculed or banned. 

I realize Moe, etal can do what ever - they do own the site. But if they continue like they have since the elections they cannot do anything but go further down hill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not surprised by the treatment you received at Redstate. </p>
<p>I stopped reading it shortly before the 2008 election.</p>
<p>Long time posters getting &#8216;blammed&#8217; for daring to post honest ideas &amp; opinions. Anything that remotely crossed the moderator&#8217;s views were being ridiculed or banned. </p>
<p>I realize Moe, etal can do what ever - they do own the site. But if they continue like they have since the elections they cannot do anything but go further down hill.</p>
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		<title>By: Flagstaff</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2009/09/01/the-formerly-conservative-blog-known-as-redstate/comment-page-1/#comment-1763879</link>
		<dc:creator>Flagstaff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 06:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick, I think you were unfairly treated at RedState.  Far too much was written about your entry.  

After trudging all the way through your entry, and the comments and retorts, I came to the conclusion that you're your own worst enemy.  You're not a particularly good writer.  Wordy, but not good.  Just who are those "Angry Ideologues"?  And was that piece a critical review of Levin's book, or a criticism of those who agree that Obama is accurately described as a "statist"?

That statement alone would have sufficed as a proper criticism.  All the rest was overkill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick, I think you were unfairly treated at RedState.  Far too much was written about your entry.  </p>
<p>After trudging all the way through your entry, and the comments and retorts, I came to the conclusion that you&#8217;re your own worst enemy.  You&#8217;re not a particularly good writer.  Wordy, but not good.  Just who are those &#8220;Angry Ideologues&#8221;?  And was that piece a critical review of Levin&#8217;s book, or a criticism of those who agree that Obama is accurately described as a &#8220;statist&#8221;?</p>
<p>That statement alone would have sufficed as a proper criticism.  All the rest was overkill.</p>
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		<title>By: Surabaya Stew</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2009/09/01/the-formerly-conservative-blog-known-as-redstate/comment-page-1/#comment-1763870</link>
		<dc:creator>Surabaya Stew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 00:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Sadly, RedState reminds me of the Chinese Cultural Revolution where those who think are a danger to the orthodoxy.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well said, Rich.

As an aside, I noticed that most of RedState's articles descended into nonsensical hysteria and mindless rhetoric just before the 2006 midterm election blowout, and have remained stuck there ever since. (It would seem that electoral success is crucial to the sanity of RedState staffers.) They just can't seem to handle having their party lose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Sadly, RedState reminds me of the Chinese Cultural Revolution where those who think are a danger to the orthodoxy.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well said, Rich.</p>
<p>As an aside, I noticed that most of RedState&#8217;s articles descended into nonsensical hysteria and mindless rhetoric just before the 2006 midterm election blowout, and have remained stuck there ever since. (It would seem that electoral success is crucial to the sanity of RedState staffers.) They just can&#8217;t seem to handle having their party lose.</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 16:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick, you need Red State like a case of the shingles.  Because it is a case of the shingles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick, you need Red State like a case of the shingles.  Because it is a case of the shingles.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 15:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, but Redstate and Hot Air are total turnoffs, featuring a high noise-to-signal ratio, if signal equals clear thinking.  They are just puerile ranters carrying on to a diminishing band of like-thinkers.

Don't waste your time there.  Their whole approach is predicated on the other side losing, not their side winning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but Redstate and Hot Air are total turnoffs, featuring a high noise-to-signal ratio, if signal equals clear thinking.  They are just puerile ranters carrying on to a diminishing band of like-thinkers.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t waste your time there.  Their whole approach is predicated on the other side losing, not their side winning.</p>
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		<title>By: speciallist</title>
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		<dc:creator>speciallist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 07:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"barbarous brew of angry yawpers"...How could that be?, I didn't even comment on your holier than thou tripe...

The RS commenters took you to task and all you can do is Whine...pathetic

You are firmly to the left of moderates...gimme us a break</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;barbarous brew of angry yawpers&#8221;&#8230;How could that be?, I didn&#8217;t even comment on your holier than thou tripe&#8230;</p>
<p>The RS commenters took you to task and all you can do is Whine&#8230;pathetic</p>
<p>You are firmly to the left of moderates&#8230;gimme us a break</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 04:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick-
I've been reading your blog for a few years and I keep thinking that you're not really conservative.  I read your posts and I feel that whiner tone over and over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick-<br />
I&#8217;ve been reading your blog for a few years and I keep thinking that you&#8217;re not really conservative.  I read your posts and I feel that whiner tone over and over.</p>
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		<title>By: Russell Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russell Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 02:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I lump blogs like redstate and hotair in the same stack as dailykos and firedoglake.  Completely devoid of anything of import, subsisting on the impotent anger and rampant demagoguery that plagues both sides.  I know you are a contributor to hot air, yet I do not retract that.

I visited the Daily Kos at one time and tried to contribute, ended up pretty much getting voted off the island because I did not toe the party line.  Similar to what happened to you.  The extreme sites of either side are utterly worthless and not worth the time spent to type their URL.

Then there are the sites that attempt to be even handed, such as The Moderate Voice, which I visit every now and then.  They have left and right viewpoints, but there is no demagoguery and they really do try to be even-handed and see all sides of the issue.

Then there are sides such as yours and patterico, and maybe Crooks and Liars, who, while listing a little more partisan than is comfortable, at least avoid the hysterical screaming overreaction that is endemic to the more "fringe" blogs on both sides.  I do not agree with everything you say.  In fact, I really don't agree with at least half of what you say.  But congratulations on rejecting one of the most vile blogs on your side, and I do hope that your journey continues to bear fruit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I lump blogs like redstate and hotair in the same stack as dailykos and firedoglake.  Completely devoid of anything of import, subsisting on the impotent anger and rampant demagoguery that plagues both sides.  I know you are a contributor to hot air, yet I do not retract that.</p>
<p>I visited the Daily Kos at one time and tried to contribute, ended up pretty much getting voted off the island because I did not toe the party line.  Similar to what happened to you.  The extreme sites of either side are utterly worthless and not worth the time spent to type their URL.</p>
<p>Then there are the sites that attempt to be even handed, such as The Moderate Voice, which I visit every now and then.  They have left and right viewpoints, but there is no demagoguery and they really do try to be even-handed and see all sides of the issue.</p>
<p>Then there are sides such as yours and patterico, and maybe Crooks and Liars, who, while listing a little more partisan than is comfortable, at least avoid the hysterical screaming overreaction that is endemic to the more &#8220;fringe&#8221; blogs on both sides.  I do not agree with everything you say.  In fact, I really don&#8217;t agree with at least half of what you say.  But congratulations on rejecting one of the most vile blogs on your side, and I do hope that your journey continues to bear fruit.</p>
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