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	<title>Comments on: HOLY CHRIST! WHERE HAS JOE KLEIN BEEN THE LAST 8 YEARS?</title>
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		<title>By: President Obama Goes to School - Hip Hop Republican</title>
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		<dc:creator>President Obama Goes to School - Hip Hop Republican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 06:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Conservative blogger Rick Moran notes that liberals have had their own share of craziness over the last eight years, and rattles off a few of the nutty beliefs: The left is discovering that unhinged speech directed at Obama is a very bad, very destructive thing. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Conservative blogger Rick Moran notes that liberals have had their own share of craziness over the last eight years, and rattles off a few of the nutty beliefs: The left is discovering that unhinged speech directed at Obama is a very bad, very destructive thing. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sorta Blogless Sunday Pinup &#187; Pirate&#39;s Cove</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sorta Blogless Sunday Pinup &#187; Pirate&#39;s Cove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 14:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Rick Moran wonders where the hell Joe Klein has been the last 8 years [...]</description>
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		<title>By: John Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 13:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm... as a vacuous, easily led talk show listener, I wonder why I still like reading you, Rick? Do you challenge my thinking? Usually, but you also strengthen my resolve. 
Whenever I read a little into your thought processes I get the feeling if I were to misspell a word or use bad grammar you would check me off as another "idiot" or whatever term you would use to dismiss my concerns. President Obama is taking US down a bad road, agreed? He hasn't made himself "transparent", has he? He has misled the people he made promises to, to get elected. Frankly, I don't trust him as far as I could throw him. 
I value all reasonable intelligent thinking. It doesn't have to come from university or any Ivy league. I am an Independent voter having tried Libertarians, Republicans, and way back, yes I may have even been a Democrat in my thinking, but Reagan changed my mind and I voted for the first time, for him, a man of ideas. Conservatives have lost our way, but I believe we can unite around opposition to Obama. Nothing personal, just opposition to the direction he is taking US. We need all of our best thinkers and forums, that includes Limbaugh, and Beck, Hewitt and Savage, Medved and Hannity, and YOU!
I don't completely agree with anybody about everything but we all have great ideas, even the Democrats. But we need to be honest and not petty and territorial, we can lose more than our jobs, more than our way of life, we can lose our whole country and maybe even our lives.

&lt;em&gt;My beef with talk show hosts and many of their listeners is excessive ideology at the expense  of independent thought. Of course Obama should be opposed for what he is trying to do. His agenda goes against every conservative principle we believe in and he should be strenuously, and vigorously opposed.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;But you fight bad ideas with good ideas, not with the angry, puritanical, rigidity of thought one finds being spouted by Limbaugh, Hannity, et al. Many on the right believe my conservatism is suspect simply because I don't hate Obama enough, that not believing in birtherism, or not calling him a socialist or communist means that I am insufficiently committed to defeating his ideas. That's Tommy Rot. But it's what passes for conservative thinking by many who have proudly announced that unless you "feel" more than "think," your opposition, you are a RINO or a liberal.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;I want to purge conservatism of the ideologues who judge a fellow by how deeply he believes something, not on the merit of his ideas. The former leads to a closing off of necessary debate and reflection - two elements that separate us from the lefty ideologues and are critical for reforming conservatism.

ed.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm&#8230; as a vacuous, easily led talk show listener, I wonder why I still like reading you, Rick? Do you challenge my thinking? Usually, but you also strengthen my resolve.<br />
Whenever I read a little into your thought processes I get the feeling if I were to misspell a word or use bad grammar you would check me off as another &#8220;idiot&#8221; or whatever term you would use to dismiss my concerns. President Obama is taking US down a bad road, agreed? He hasn&#8217;t made himself &#8220;transparent&#8221;, has he? He has misled the people he made promises to, to get elected. Frankly, I don&#8217;t trust him as far as I could throw him.<br />
I value all reasonable intelligent thinking. It doesn&#8217;t have to come from university or any Ivy league. I am an Independent voter having tried Libertarians, Republicans, and way back, yes I may have even been a Democrat in my thinking, but Reagan changed my mind and I voted for the first time, for him, a man of ideas. Conservatives have lost our way, but I believe we can unite around opposition to Obama. Nothing personal, just opposition to the direction he is taking US. We need all of our best thinkers and forums, that includes Limbaugh, and Beck, Hewitt and Savage, Medved and Hannity, and YOU!<br />
I don&#8217;t completely agree with anybody about everything but we all have great ideas, even the Democrats. But we need to be honest and not petty and territorial, we can lose more than our jobs, more than our way of life, we can lose our whole country and maybe even our lives.</p>
<p><em>My beef with talk show hosts and many of their listeners is excessive ideology at the expense  of independent thought. Of course Obama should be opposed for what he is trying to do. His agenda goes against every conservative principle we believe in and he should be strenuously, and vigorously opposed.</em></p>
<p><em>But you fight bad ideas with good ideas, not with the angry, puritanical, rigidity of thought one finds being spouted by Limbaugh, Hannity, et al. Many on the right believe my conservatism is suspect simply because I don&#8217;t hate Obama enough, that not believing in birtherism, or not calling him a socialist or communist means that I am insufficiently committed to defeating his ideas. That&#8217;s Tommy Rot. But it&#8217;s what passes for conservative thinking by many who have proudly announced that unless you &#8220;feel&#8221; more than &#8220;think,&#8221; your opposition, you are a RINO or a liberal.</em></p>
<p><em>I want to purge conservatism of the ideologues who judge a fellow by how deeply he believes something, not on the merit of his ideas. The former leads to a closing off of necessary debate and reflection - two elements that separate us from the lefty ideologues and are critical for reforming conservatism.</p>
<p>ed.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 14:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The title of the next article on this site:

"Some of my best friends are knee-grows"

&lt;em&gt;And your point? Or are you just throwing shit against the wall to see if anything stinks?&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;I am used to liberals simply halting debate and tossing allegations of racism or fascism because they are too stupid to engage on the issues. Thank you for confirming my thesis in such spectacularly ignorant fashion.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The title of the next article on this site:</p>
<p>&#8220;Some of my best friends are knee-grows&#8221;</p>
<p><em>And your point? Or are you just throwing shit against the wall to see if anything stinks?</em></p>
<p><em>I am used to liberals simply halting debate and tossing allegations of racism or fascism because they are too stupid to engage on the issues. Thank you for confirming my thesis in such spectacularly ignorant fashion.</p>
<p>ed.</em></p>
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		<title>By: CZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>CZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 12:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick, on occasion you impress the hell out of me :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick, on occasion you impress the hell out of me <img src='http://rightwingnuthouse.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 10:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>is it really possible to digest this essay, and respond to the whole loopy thing? No. Just find your part, and respond as you will.

Before I go, all I know about Joe Klein is that he's slammed by the left only constantly. Is he your straw man du jour?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>is it really possible to digest this essay, and respond to the whole loopy thing? No. Just find your part, and respond as you will.</p>
<p>Before I go, all I know about Joe Klein is that he&#8217;s slammed by the left only constantly. Is he your straw man du jour?</p>
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		<title>By: yoyo</title>
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		<dc:creator>yoyo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 04:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>please rick identify democrat senators in good standing who published and promoted these memes. otherwise its sneaky rubbish. The scary fact is not that their are nuts like birthers etc it's that they are getting support from the heart of the repub party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>please rick identify democrat senators in good standing who published and promoted these memes. otherwise its sneaky rubbish. The scary fact is not that their are nuts like birthers etc it&#8217;s that they are getting support from the heart of the repub party.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark J. Goluskin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark J. Goluskin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 03:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SPOT ON, RICK! I remember election night, 2000, and the awful eight years that followed with the Democrats and the hard left doing EVERYTHING to make George W. Bush "illegitimate". EVERYONE even a slight liberal or Dem got in the act. Hell, this went all the way back to Richard Nixon. Now, Mr. Nixon was not my favorite Republican. He nearly destroyed the Republican party. But, the scorched earth politics of the left started then and were perfected under George W. Bush. How else could someone so far to the left as President Obama be elected? Pass him off as a moderate and keep the Jones, Wrights, Ayres, et al, in the background. But for these jokers like Joe Klein writing such mealie pap is, mindless. Kind of like a lot of what is going on these days under President Obama!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SPOT ON, RICK! I remember election night, 2000, and the awful eight years that followed with the Democrats and the hard left doing EVERYTHING to make George W. Bush &#8220;illegitimate&#8221;. EVERYONE even a slight liberal or Dem got in the act. Hell, this went all the way back to Richard Nixon. Now, Mr. Nixon was not my favorite Republican. He nearly destroyed the Republican party. But, the scorched earth politics of the left started then and were perfected under George W. Bush. How else could someone so far to the left as President Obama be elected? Pass him off as a moderate and keep the Jones, Wrights, Ayres, et al, in the background. But for these jokers like Joe Klein writing such mealie pap is, mindless. Kind of like a lot of what is going on these days under President Obama!</p>
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		<title>By: Richard bottoms</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard bottoms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 01:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
As s disabled veteran who re-enlisted on a frozen hill overlooking North Korea’s propaganda village near Panmunjom, voicing my opinions over the inconsistencies in the language used by the administration unleashed ferocious, irrational attacks on my character, intelligence, and patriotism by those “shallow” conservatives who were apparently willing to apologize for or defend anything conducted or suggested by the administration.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Preach it.

Back in 2004 I already saw the damage being done to the Army. and despite my belief that starting war in Iraq was wrong when we hadn't finished our commitment in Afghanistan, I looked seriously into re-enlisting at age 48. The didn't take me then, but wonder if I had tried again a few years later when they we're raking anyone who could carry a weapon.

It is the maimed in the thousands and the bungling of the war, not to mention the opportunities missed to establish a stable Afghanistan coupled with people who had never found their way to a recruiting office calling &lt;i&gt;me&lt;/i&gt; that really made my blood boil.

What as waste, from the unity of 9/12 to a candya** like Glenn Beck adotping that as his own.</description>
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As s disabled veteran who re-enlisted on a frozen hill overlooking North Korea’s propaganda village near Panmunjom, voicing my opinions over the inconsistencies in the language used by the administration unleashed ferocious, irrational attacks on my character, intelligence, and patriotism by those “shallow” conservatives who were apparently willing to apologize for or defend anything conducted or suggested by the administration.
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<p>Preach it.</p>
<p>Back in 2004 I already saw the damage being done to the Army. and despite my belief that starting war in Iraq was wrong when we hadn&#8217;t finished our commitment in Afghanistan, I looked seriously into re-enlisting at age 48. The didn&#8217;t take me then, but wonder if I had tried again a few years later when they we&#8217;re raking anyone who could carry a weapon.</p>
<p>It is the maimed in the thousands and the bungling of the war, not to mention the opportunities missed to establish a stable Afghanistan coupled with people who had never found their way to a recruiting office calling <i>me</i> that really made my blood boil.</p>
<p>What as waste, from the unity of 9/12 to a candya** like Glenn Beck adotping that as his own.</p>
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		<title>By: Kizilbash</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kizilbash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 01:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I agree with your premise that anyone just noticing now that we're morphing into an entity that is hard to understand, we must not forget that many Americans, myself included, were behind our president after 9/11; however, as evidence now points out beyond any shred of a doubt that our president and his WH staff circumvented, twisted, or downright violated numerous domestic and international laws and treaties and then lied about it. As late as 2006, our president looked the camera in the eye and stated, "The United States does not torture." 

As s disabled veteran who re-enlisted on a frozen hill overlooking North Korea's propaganda village near Panmunjom, voicing my opinions over the inconsistencies in the language used by the administration unleashed ferocious, irrational attacks on my character, intelligence, and patriotism by those "shallow" conservatives who were apparently willing to apologize for or defend anything conducted or suggested by the administration. The worst thing about these attacks was the unerringly similar verbiage and accusations, as if everything was scripted. Efforts to enter into respectful exchanges were invariably reduced--in quick order--to ad hominem assaults described above. 

Without a doubt, things have changed in our country since 9/11 and intelligent, thoughtful, and humble conservative friends of mine agree with me that it's largely a by-product of the successful right-wing radio personalities along with the dominant political ascendence of the Bush II WH and Republican control of Congress. And it appears now that the election of Obama has infuriated the same group of citizens who have become unhinged as you described so accurately. My wife and I are fearful that the racism toward Arabs and attacks on Muslims in general have re=opened some racial doors we had hoped were closed. My greatest fear is that our past, the ugly parts of it, may be the model of our future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree with your premise that anyone just noticing now that we&#8217;re morphing into an entity that is hard to understand, we must not forget that many Americans, myself included, were behind our president after 9/11; however, as evidence now points out beyond any shred of a doubt that our president and his WH staff circumvented, twisted, or downright violated numerous domestic and international laws and treaties and then lied about it. As late as 2006, our president looked the camera in the eye and stated, &#8220;The United States does not torture.&#8221; </p>
<p>As s disabled veteran who re-enlisted on a frozen hill overlooking North Korea&#8217;s propaganda village near Panmunjom, voicing my opinions over the inconsistencies in the language used by the administration unleashed ferocious, irrational attacks on my character, intelligence, and patriotism by those &#8220;shallow&#8221; conservatives who were apparently willing to apologize for or defend anything conducted or suggested by the administration. The worst thing about these attacks was the unerringly similar verbiage and accusations, as if everything was scripted. Efforts to enter into respectful exchanges were invariably reduced&#8211;in quick order&#8211;to ad hominem assaults described above. </p>
<p>Without a doubt, things have changed in our country since 9/11 and intelligent, thoughtful, and humble conservative friends of mine agree with me that it&#8217;s largely a by-product of the successful right-wing radio personalities along with the dominant political ascendence of the Bush II WH and Republican control of Congress. And it appears now that the election of Obama has infuriated the same group of citizens who have become unhinged as you described so accurately. My wife and I are fearful that the racism toward Arabs and attacks on Muslims in general have re=opened some racial doors we had hoped were closed. My greatest fear is that our past, the ugly parts of it, may be the model of our future.</p>
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