Dave Barry on 9-11, at Wizbang:

"The people who did this to us are monsters; the people who cheered them have hate-sickened minds. One reason they can cheer is that they know we would never do to them what their heroes did to us, even though we…

I can’t believe, however, that Obama can avoid increasing the deficit by spending $90 billion per year on health care, and that this amount will be recouped by reducing waste and fraud. (He also hinted he would shift funds away from Defense for this purpose.)

Obama extolled the virtues of Social Security, as if his health care program would do something wonderfully similar for Americans. If Social Security were financially solvent, he might have a point. But Social Security needs many trillions of dollars to meet future obligations. The tax burden on younger workers is growing unbearable as the population ages. If the government can’t get it right on Social Security, how can we trust them on health care?

The President promised the middle class will not see higher taxes, but I don’t believe it. There’s just no other way to pay for this massive new program. No matter how you cut it, those who are already paying the “hidden tax” will now have to pay just as much (probably more) to the government for this program.

Because as far as I can tell, it’s absolutely positively nothing.

Similarly some of the other concerns. A reasonable person can infer that some of these things are entirely possible unless they are proscribed outright. Suppoprters, and opponents, of this bill are answering and asking the wrong question. The real question to me is this: given the current language of this bill are these consequences possible?

So, while the country burns, you and the corporate media fiddle in the smoke. Neither the democrats nor the republicans, and their media shills, will dare tell the truth about the economy yet alone discuss solutions.

If you haven’t figured out yet, and I told you over a year ago - the Federal Reserve is not federal, it is a privately owned banking cartel that is destroying the U.S. in debt. The new york branch of the fed runs the system and they are owned by - surprise - goldman sachs, citibank, JP morgan chase, and the other big wall street banks.

The republicans and democrats are run by the same banks and special interests. You provide no alternatives and only quote the party line.

Larry

I thought that this website was anti-jihad and shared some conservative views. Yet, all I found there were articles that hammered creationists (I am not one, but it was insulting), insulted Glenn Beck and other pundits like Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage, and Sean Hannity.

This blog was supporting Van Jones for god’s sake! And this trash heap is linked here at this sweet website….

I could really care less who’s on my blogroll. Some of those blogs probably don’t even exist anymore. Others? Feh.

Charles is a personal friend who has his mind screwed on pretty good. He’s a rationalist who decries the abomination that conservatism has become thanks to your heroes Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh and that racist pig Michael Savage. If you hate Charles you hate me so get lost.

ed.

While I agree that the GOP as a whole won’t support the public option, a few individual GOP members might if they see a political advantage.

Any politician on either side would support just about anything if they saw a political advantage.

He didn’t say anything of the sort.

He said he would call out lies, and you give as an example of “lies” disagreements about the future evolution and consequences of provisions in the bill, then you leap to the conclusion that those are categorized as lies.

Death panels . . . that’s a lie.
Mandatory Abortions and/or Sex change operations . . . that’s a lie.
Euthanizing the elderly . . . that’s a lie.
Banning private insurance . . . that’s a lie.

Those are lies because there’s nothing in the bills that suggests, hints, implies, or potentially could evolve into any of those things. What you call “lies” aren’t remotely in the same ballpark. Hell, they’re not even in the same town as the ballpark.

Get your eyeglass prescription changed or your hearing aid power boosted:

If you misrepresent what’s in this plan, we will call you out.

That seems pretty certain and final. “What’s in the plan” is definitive. How you can read it any other way than how I see it is beyond me - unless you are blinded by partisanship. No slippery slope arguments allowed. None. If the bill doesn’t say this will lead to single payer, it’s a lie and we will call you out.

ed.

You’ve also made it clear that your vision of conservativism doesn’t match 100% with the GOP’s vision, if they have a vision at all. At the moment we have GOP members casting themselves, bizarrely enough, as defenders of Medicare. While I agree that the GOP as a whole won’t support the public option, a few individual GOP members might if they see a political advantage.

The Medicare Part D prescription drug benefit?