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		<title>By: b.poster</title>
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		<dc:creator>b.poster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 15:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guuny G,

It's to early to tell what the results of Obama's foreign policy will be.  We should all hope and pray for his success.  After the disaster of Prrsident Bush, the country cannot afford another failed presidency.

What is clear is missle defense system being proposed for Poland and the Czech Republic was not designed for Russia and was completely inadequate to defend against Russia.  The system was designed with Iran in mind.  As the nature of the Iranian threat changed, it made perfect sense to alter the systems designed to defend against Iran.

In addition, it needs to be understood by all Americans that the American military as it is currently constituted, is no match for Russia at any level.  Given the massive debt the country has, there is no realistic hope of building a military that can compete with Russia.  American military planners are no doubt aware of this reality and have advised the President and his team accordingly.

While America should support liberty every where, we can only guarantee our own.  As such, we cannot guarantee the liberty of Poland, the Czech Republic, or any other former Eastern Bloc country.  To try and do so is unwise on many levels.  Most importantly it risks an un winnable war with Russia.

If we were to set out to build a military equal to the Russians it would take at least decade and probably longer.  This assumes we could afford it and the Russians would largely stand pat.

Most importantly we should act to upgrade and expand the nuclear arsenal and the delivery systems.  This could be done right now, possibly by ending our deployments outside of the country.  The resultung savings could go to these programs.  It's certainly better tgan what we are currently doing.  It would give us a fighting chance to defend ourselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guuny G,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s to early to tell what the results of Obama&#8217;s foreign policy will be.  We should all hope and pray for his success.  After the disaster of Prrsident Bush, the country cannot afford another failed presidency.</p>
<p>What is clear is missle defense system being proposed for Poland and the Czech Republic was not designed for Russia and was completely inadequate to defend against Russia.  The system was designed with Iran in mind.  As the nature of the Iranian threat changed, it made perfect sense to alter the systems designed to defend against Iran.</p>
<p>In addition, it needs to be understood by all Americans that the American military as it is currently constituted, is no match for Russia at any level.  Given the massive debt the country has, there is no realistic hope of building a military that can compete with Russia.  American military planners are no doubt aware of this reality and have advised the President and his team accordingly.</p>
<p>While America should support liberty every where, we can only guarantee our own.  As such, we cannot guarantee the liberty of Poland, the Czech Republic, or any other former Eastern Bloc country.  To try and do so is unwise on many levels.  Most importantly it risks an un winnable war with Russia.</p>
<p>If we were to set out to build a military equal to the Russians it would take at least decade and probably longer.  This assumes we could afford it and the Russians would largely stand pat.</p>
<p>Most importantly we should act to upgrade and expand the nuclear arsenal and the delivery systems.  This could be done right now, possibly by ending our deployments outside of the country.  The resultung savings could go to these programs.  It&#8217;s certainly better tgan what we are currently doing.  It would give us a fighting chance to defend ourselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Gunny G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gunny G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 23:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a survivor of the Carter years in the Corps, I've heard this blather before. As Carter withdrew, our enemies became bolder. When the US Ambassador was assassinated by Russians in Kabul, normally an act of war, all Carter could do was wring his hands. He crippled our military,  encouraged our enemies, and betrayed our allies. When he let the Shah fall, he brought about the necessary ingredient for a state sponsor for global terrorism discussed in "Milestones." Obama is nothing but Carter times ten.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a survivor of the Carter years in the Corps, I&#8217;ve heard this blather before. As Carter withdrew, our enemies became bolder. When the US Ambassador was assassinated by Russians in Kabul, normally an act of war, all Carter could do was wring his hands. He crippled our military,  encouraged our enemies, and betrayed our allies. When he let the Shah fall, he brought about the necessary ingredient for a state sponsor for global terrorism discussed in &#8220;Milestones.&#8221; Obama is nothing but Carter times ten.</p>
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		<title>By: B.Poster</title>
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		<dc:creator>B.Poster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 15:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny Man,

Thanks for supplying the link on the poll regarding lack of support for Poles on the proposed missle defense system.  The figures I quoted were from an older poll.  It appears opposition to the proposed system had increased.  This isn't surprising.  The proposed system was not deesigned with Russia in mind and would have done nothing to defend against Russia and was making the situation worse with regards to Russia.  Apparently the majority of polls are smarter than some pundits.

As a result of cancelling the system, Russia has appareently said they will not deploy Iskander missles.  Using Iskander missles against the proposed system is a bit like using a jack hammer to squash a bug.  As such, I'm left wondering what the Russians are up to but not having these weapons in action is better for security for Poland and the Czech Republic.  Now follow up will be needed to ensure Russia follows through.

It seems every one wins by scrapping this system, however, what disturbs me is the scathing attacks the Aemrican government has come under in the Czech and Polish press, as well as by certain pundits here in America.  The parliments of the Czech Republic and Poland had not even ratified the construction yet.  They were never going to.  Presumably they want to get reelected.

Apparently the plan of the Polish and Czech governments was to string the Americans along and extract all they could from America and its taxpayers before cancelling the project.  Then along comes the US government and upsets the apple cart so to speak.

As for the American pundits who are carping, you are not bright enough to figure out you and your country were being played by the Polish and Czech governments.  As for those pundits in Poland and the Czech Republic, if you expect us to assist you, which we probably would if we could, you make it less likely by your disgusting actions in response to America acting in its best security interests while not harming yours one iota.

Finally, in order to "sell" either of these countries as some have suggested, we would need to actually own the countries in question.  We don't own them.  As such, selling them would be impossible.  On a side note, American power is often overestimated.  If one's power is overstated, they become much eaiser to vilify.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny Man,</p>
<p>Thanks for supplying the link on the poll regarding lack of support for Poles on the proposed missle defense system.  The figures I quoted were from an older poll.  It appears opposition to the proposed system had increased.  This isn&#8217;t surprising.  The proposed system was not deesigned with Russia in mind and would have done nothing to defend against Russia and was making the situation worse with regards to Russia.  Apparently the majority of polls are smarter than some pundits.</p>
<p>As a result of cancelling the system, Russia has appareently said they will not deploy Iskander missles.  Using Iskander missles against the proposed system is a bit like using a jack hammer to squash a bug.  As such, I&#8217;m left wondering what the Russians are up to but not having these weapons in action is better for security for Poland and the Czech Republic.  Now follow up will be needed to ensure Russia follows through.</p>
<p>It seems every one wins by scrapping this system, however, what disturbs me is the scathing attacks the Aemrican government has come under in the Czech and Polish press, as well as by certain pundits here in America.  The parliments of the Czech Republic and Poland had not even ratified the construction yet.  They were never going to.  Presumably they want to get reelected.</p>
<p>Apparently the plan of the Polish and Czech governments was to string the Americans along and extract all they could from America and its taxpayers before cancelling the project.  Then along comes the US government and upsets the apple cart so to speak.</p>
<p>As for the American pundits who are carping, you are not bright enough to figure out you and your country were being played by the Polish and Czech governments.  As for those pundits in Poland and the Czech Republic, if you expect us to assist you, which we probably would if we could, you make it less likely by your disgusting actions in response to America acting in its best security interests while not harming yours one iota.</p>
<p>Finally, in order to &#8220;sell&#8221; either of these countries as some have suggested, we would need to actually own the countries in question.  We don&#8217;t own them.  As such, selling them would be impossible.  On a side note, American power is often overestimated.  If one&#8217;s power is overstated, they become much eaiser to vilify.</p>
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		<title>By: busboy33</title>
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		<dc:creator>busboy33</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 06:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@obamathered:

Thanks for the apology . . . although it did give me a warm feeling to think I'm haunting someone's thoughts.</description>
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<p>Thanks for the apology . . . although it did give me a warm feeling to think I&#8217;m haunting someone&#8217;s thoughts.</p>
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		<title>By: funny man</title>
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		<dc:creator>funny man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 05:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is a link with the actual numbers showing that the majority of Poles were against the missile shield.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,649688,00.html

B-poster
You mean the Czech republic right? Czechoslovakia hm. The Russians and Americans fighting it out..My hunch is just that neither the Russians nor the Americans are ready for mutual destruction. Just a thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a link with the actual numbers showing that the majority of Poles were against the missile shield.<br />
<a href="http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,649688,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,649688,00.html</a></p>
<p>B-poster<br />
You mean the Czech republic right? Czechoslovakia hm. The Russians and Americans fighting it out..My hunch is just that neither the Russians nor the Americans are ready for mutual destruction. Just a thought.</p>
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		<title>By: b.poster</title>
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		<dc:creator>b.poster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 21:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>American security is enhanced by the removal of this system.  Continuing witg it would have only increased the likelyhood of war witg Russia.  Right now a war with Russia would mean almost certain defeat for America.  Even if the American military were capable of successfully engaging the Russians right now, which there not, the American people are ynprepared for the kind of sacrifices that would be necessary to win such a conflict.  Even if the American people and the milirary were preapred, we can't afford it financially.  Ultimately America should support liberty where and when it is possible but it can only guarantee its own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>American security is enhanced by the removal of this system.  Continuing witg it would have only increased the likelyhood of war witg Russia.  Right now a war with Russia would mean almost certain defeat for America.  Even if the American military were capable of successfully engaging the Russians right now, which there not, the American people are ynprepared for the kind of sacrifices that would be necessary to win such a conflict.  Even if the American people and the milirary were preapred, we can&#8217;t afford it financially.  Ultimately America should support liberty where and when it is possible but it can only guarantee its own.</p>
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		<title>By: B.Poster</title>
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		<dc:creator>B.Poster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 20:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is hard to imagine how a diplomatic situation could be messed up worse.  The missle defense system was designed soley to defend against the threats posed by Iran and North Korea.  As the nature of the Iranian threat became more acute, it became clear that this system would be inadequate and it made sense to scrap it.  The system as proposed would offer no protection against Russia and only served to inflame the situation.  A plurality of Poles and Czechs understood this.  That is why Poles at least opposed the system by a 47-39 percent margin.  Obviously in return for their assistance to America against Iran they expected some consideration.  Specifically they wanted help in modernizing their militaries.  This no longer makes sense to America.  How can we modernize or upgrade Poland's miliary?  We need someone to help us modernize ours.  I expected this system to be scrapped.  If we hadn't scrapped it, Poland and Czechoslovakia would have eventually after they were done extracting all they could out of America.  This is why their glum.  They hadn't finished taking advantage of America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is hard to imagine how a diplomatic situation could be messed up worse.  The missle defense system was designed soley to defend against the threats posed by Iran and North Korea.  As the nature of the Iranian threat became more acute, it became clear that this system would be inadequate and it made sense to scrap it.  The system as proposed would offer no protection against Russia and only served to inflame the situation.  A plurality of Poles and Czechs understood this.  That is why Poles at least opposed the system by a 47-39 percent margin.  Obviously in return for their assistance to America against Iran they expected some consideration.  Specifically they wanted help in modernizing their militaries.  This no longer makes sense to America.  How can we modernize or upgrade Poland&#8217;s miliary?  We need someone to help us modernize ours.  I expected this system to be scrapped.  If we hadn&#8217;t scrapped it, Poland and Czechoslovakia would have eventually after they were done extracting all they could out of America.  This is why their glum.  They hadn&#8217;t finished taking advantage of America.</p>
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		<title>By: funny man</title>
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		<dc:creator>funny man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 18:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obamathered:
just because you can recite Ann Coulter doesn't make you a conservative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obamathered:<br />
just because you can recite Ann Coulter doesn&#8217;t make you a conservative.</p>
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		<title>By: obamathered</title>
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		<dc:creator>obamathered</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 06:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>funny man: not worth the time. The fact you Googled "Caucasus" and responded marginalized you.

Steve: Pretty close. The American Left is fairly well gobsmacked today. And if you think about it, why not? The light flashes green but you are dressed in camo. Blaze orange is so close to red, isn't it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>funny man: not worth the time. The fact you Googled &#8220;Caucasus&#8221; and responded marginalized you.</p>
<p>Steve: Pretty close. The American Left is fairly well gobsmacked today. And if you think about it, why not? The light flashes green but you are dressed in camo. Blaze orange is so close to red, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: funny man</title>
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		<dc:creator>funny man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 04:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>obamathered:
not exactly a sign of intellectual prowess to dismiss people with other opinions as ignorant. I'm pretty sure I understand both Poland and Russia a bit better than you (unless you take the time to prove me otherwise). However, so be it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>obamathered:<br />
not exactly a sign of intellectual prowess to dismiss people with other opinions as ignorant. I&#8217;m pretty sure I understand both Poland and Russia a bit better than you (unless you take the time to prove me otherwise). However, so be it.</p>
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