Comments on: WAR ON FOX OR BUSINESS AS USUAL?

By: KenGirard

KenGirard — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:32:41 +0000

Every time I talk to Bill he waits till I am out of the room and then calls me bad names and then tells people partial truths and outright lies about some things I have said and done. I am going to make sure that people know I do not trust Bill, and call him out in public on his actions. Does this make me an idiot?

By: mannning

mannning — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:55:08 +0000

The losers in all of this partisan yammering are the public. The liars that are spinning merrily away for their party, their man, or their programs,or manufacturing negative issues (even blowing up minor things to crisis proportions)with which to tag their opposition, are seriously short-changing the average citizen that does not have the sources or the critical skills to penetrate the multiple levels of spin. Honesty is suffering.

We thus have elections driven by feel-good emotions, promises not meant to be kept, snake-oil salesmen (including on the networks), distortions of the truth, and with great disdain for facts.

I submit that the Democrats today are far, far better at this kind of thing than Republicans have ever been, especially the Conservative segment. Mudslinging, distortions, and lying have not been core skills of Conservatives to be nurtured and displayed at every turn.

By: MooseH

MooseH — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:24:22 +0000

To all you pseudo-intellect NYT readers;

“Then the satisfaction of seeing my faith rewarded by none other than Frank Rich, doyen of the BDS community, guardian of the BDS crystal ball, all-knowing user of Bush as a metaphor for everything:

The Colorado balloon may have led to the rerouting of flights and the wasteful deployment of law enforcement resources. But at least it didn’t lead the country into fiasco the way George W. Bush’s flyboy spectacle on an aircraft carrier helped beguile most of the Beltway press and too much of the public into believing that the mission had been accomplished in Iraq.”

Too much BDS at this website including the moderator.

By: Your Brother Jim

Your Brother Jim — Sun, 25 Oct 2009 21:44:10 +0000

Fox News is certainly the winner as a single network in the cable news wars, though as recent ratings show, the audience that skews toward the “liberal” outlets is divided into 3 networks whose total viewership bubbles just under Fox’s:

http://tvbythenumbers.com/category/ratings/top-news/cable-news

However - if you check the actual Nielsen numbers, you’ll see that nearly 2 times more people watch the network CBS, NBC, and ABC nightly news shows than all of Fox’s multi-hour hosted shows combined (roughly 22 million for the broadcast networks to 12 million for Fox). Brian Williams and Charles Gibson each more than doubles Bill O’Reilly’s audience (scroll down to the “Spotlight” on evening news):

http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/nielsens-charts.htm

If you factor in the audience of around 1.5 million from the first chart for Mattews, Olbermann et al., the audience preference for the programs of the “left”-type outlets absolutely crushes the viewership numbers for FNC.

Whatever Fox News may be, it is not “America’s choice for news.” It is the choice of the splinter represented by many of Rick’s readers who make the politically dangerous assumption that they represent a majority. In a country with 85% of all households having either cable or satellite access, the figures, as they say, are what they are. Americans prefer their “news” from the opposite camp’s sources by a much greater factor than they voted for Obama over McCain.

That makes the question of “why” the administration is carrying out this war even more a mystery and makes it look even more like personal pique on the part of the president.

ed.

By: busboy33

busboy33 — Sun, 25 Oct 2009 06:42:32 +0000

@Moose:

“Incompetent: he got rid of a bad man,won the war in Iraq when he left office, restored our militaries reputation (funny the brits are not so vocal on how to run military tatics after Basara -quagmire?), left office with America safer than when he started his presidency,and got us back from the brink of financial collapse with TARP.”

That sounds pretty amazing.

In what galaxy did this occur?

By: MooseH

MooseH — Sat, 24 Oct 2009 20:38:14 +0000

MR
I never heard of of a stupid person being competent. Well I guess you heard that from your “intelligensia” friends-so chic, or youread it in the weekend NYTRegular subscriber).
How do you know he is stupid?Do you have his IQ score?Was Ted Kennedy stupid?If Bush is so stupid why did Blair and our congress back him in the war on terrorism
Incompetent: he got rid of a bad man,won the war in Iraq when he left office, restored our militaries reputation (funny the brits are not so vocal on how to run military tatics after Basara -quagmire?), left office with America safer than when he started his presidency,and got us back from the brink of financial collapse with TARP.Not a bad record and certainly not incompetent, but hey you read it in the NYT.

By: Richard bottoms

Richard bottoms — Sat, 24 Oct 2009 20:33:15 +0000

Truth is the first casualty of war, so the Obama administration’s fight against media dissent is a fight that harms truth.

Faux News is a dedicated propaganda arm of the Republican party. That’s the truth.

By: Travis Monitor

Travis Monitor — Sat, 24 Oct 2009 16:50:22 +0000

“In the ongoing war of words, the administration has finally stopped bringing knives to a gunfight.”

How apropos to call it ‘war of words’. Obama cant fight the Taliban, but he can fight Shep Smith. Truth is the first casualty of war, so the Obama administration’s fight against media dissent is a fight that harms truth.

By: Travis Monitor

Travis Monitor — Sat, 24 Oct 2009 16:47:11 +0000

“Media Matters’ documentation of the extensive collaboration between … ”

Will Media Matter out themselves and their own sordid agit-prop campaign to twist news stories and to plant leftwing bias and liberal ‘memes’ into the news narratives??? When will they admit that - in effect - they are egging on the Obama White House from the puppet-master George Soros on through his coterie of left-wing special interest groups, and poster like you are just the foot soldiers in his sordid army?

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=7150
“To summarize, Soros and his Open Society Institute pour millions of dollars into the coffers of MoveOn, the Center for American Progress, and Democracy Alliance. In turn, these organizations funnel some of that money to Media Matters. ”

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=112897
“Media Matters for America, the self-described “progressive” research center and media monitor, has called on “folks” to “really go at” Fox News while demanding other media organizations stop treating America’s top cable news outlet as a journalistic enterprise..”

By: Travis Monitor

Travis Monitor — Sat, 24 Oct 2009 16:35:19 +0000

“Who’d a thunk it that Obama would be a paranoid narcissist ?”

A critic pegged him as such in FEB 2008, a guy named “Spengler” from the Asia Times (aka David Goldman). I read it and thought it a bit harsh, but we see Obama’s critics far LESS surprised with how things are turning out than his supporters - so who was really closer to the truth back in 2008? …. here’s a Spengler update on the topic:
http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/spengler/2009/10/13/obama-in-nightmare-alley-what-asia-times-online-refused-to-publish/