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		<title>By: Bruceinsocal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruceinsocal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Such intelligent libs!!! Keep telling yourself that you're fiscal hawks..my that is a funny one. Hoffman was in the low teens 3 weeks ago. He finished with 46%. He just ran out of time. Had Dede left awhile ago, Hoffman wins. 6% of the people voted for a candidate not in the race, probably due to early voting. 

The message was sent and NY-23 will be back in Republican hands in a year. along with quite a few more House and Senate seats. Remember, 40% of this country is conservative vs. 20% lib. Obama shining the light on how Dems really run things is awakening the nation to just how kooky left the Dem party is now. How's that nationalized health care going?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Such intelligent libs!!! Keep telling yourself that you&#8217;re fiscal hawks..my that is a funny one. Hoffman was in the low teens 3 weeks ago. He finished with 46%. He just ran out of time. Had Dede left awhile ago, Hoffman wins. 6% of the people voted for a candidate not in the race, probably due to early voting. </p>
<p>The message was sent and NY-23 will be back in Republican hands in a year. along with quite a few more House and Senate seats. Remember, 40% of this country is conservative vs. 20% lib. Obama shining the light on how Dems really run things is awakening the nation to just how kooky left the Dem party is now. How&#8217;s that nationalized health care going?</p>
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		<title>By: TMLutas</title>
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		<dc:creator>TMLutas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reagan launched a primary challenge against a sitting GOP president in 1976. William F Buckly strongly supported the destruction of Lowell Weicker's congressional career. Were they wrong to do so? Why or why not were they extreme and what's different about today's angry right threatening the same?

I think that most conservatives objectively examining the situation would be happy with bucpac and its torpedoing of Lowell Weicker in favor of Joe Lieberman all those years ago. Like Scozzafava, Weicker abandoned the GOP. He later served as governor as an independent. 

Rick, either you think that William F Buckley was wrong to support the Dem in that one isolated case (and Weicker was about as bad as liberal RINOs get) or you concede that sometimes, sharpening the long knives for incumbents is a legitimate strategy. 

Once you concede the legitimacy of the strategy, it's only a tactical question of when it is appropriate to deploy it. I strongly suspect that the consensus answer is almost never. That this strategy of primary and general election challenges from the right is much better deployed as a threat, something like nuclear deterrence than ever actually launching an internecine war. 

Once you stop calling the mau mau brigade on the right morons and other unhelpful names, legitimize the tactic as something appropriate in extremis, you can get down to the brass tacks of examining GOP incumbents and finding out that, hey, their behavior by and large doesn't merit going to the extreme solution you concede in theory is valid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reagan launched a primary challenge against a sitting GOP president in 1976. William F Buckly strongly supported the destruction of Lowell Weicker&#8217;s congressional career. Were they wrong to do so? Why or why not were they extreme and what&#8217;s different about today&#8217;s angry right threatening the same?</p>
<p>I think that most conservatives objectively examining the situation would be happy with bucpac and its torpedoing of Lowell Weicker in favor of Joe Lieberman all those years ago. Like Scozzafava, Weicker abandoned the GOP. He later served as governor as an independent. </p>
<p>Rick, either you think that William F Buckley was wrong to support the Dem in that one isolated case (and Weicker was about as bad as liberal RINOs get) or you concede that sometimes, sharpening the long knives for incumbents is a legitimate strategy. </p>
<p>Once you concede the legitimacy of the strategy, it&#8217;s only a tactical question of when it is appropriate to deploy it. I strongly suspect that the consensus answer is almost never. That this strategy of primary and general election challenges from the right is much better deployed as a threat, something like nuclear deterrence than ever actually launching an internecine war. </p>
<p>Once you stop calling the mau mau brigade on the right morons and other unhelpful names, legitimize the tactic as something appropriate in extremis, you can get down to the brass tacks of examining GOP incumbents and finding out that, hey, their behavior by and large doesn&#8217;t merit going to the extreme solution you concede in theory is valid.</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun Mullen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaun Mullen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 12:27:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is it in a bit:

You are a voter in a congressional district bordering Canada in upstate New York that has gone reliably Republican since the 19th century. Your Republican congressman is picked to be Army secretary by the president and your county GOP committee taps a woman with moderate credentials in keeping with the district and deep local roots to run in a special election to succeed him.

But it is 2009 and that woman is not right wing enough for the national GOP, which foists a carpetbagging Glenn Beck acolyte with no experience and even less sense on you, driving the woman from the race.

Predictions that the right winger will win do not take into account that the people of the district are deeply insulted that their election has been hijacked by a bunch of uncouth loudmouths like Beck, Sarah Palin and Rush Limbaugh, who may speak for what is left of the national GOP but not the good burghers of NY-23. Against all odds, the Democrat wins.

Meanwhile, back at the World Series . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is it in a bit:</p>
<p>You are a voter in a congressional district bordering Canada in upstate New York that has gone reliably Republican since the 19th century. Your Republican congressman is picked to be Army secretary by the president and your county GOP committee taps a woman with moderate credentials in keeping with the district and deep local roots to run in a special election to succeed him.</p>
<p>But it is 2009 and that woman is not right wing enough for the national GOP, which foists a carpetbagging Glenn Beck acolyte with no experience and even less sense on you, driving the woman from the race.</p>
<p>Predictions that the right winger will win do not take into account that the people of the district are deeply insulted that their election has been hijacked by a bunch of uncouth loudmouths like Beck, Sarah Palin and Rush Limbaugh, who may speak for what is left of the national GOP but not the good burghers of NY-23. Against all odds, the Democrat wins.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, back at the World Series . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 12:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With the Owen's win it seems that Armey,Palin, and Beck should have realized the old adage, all politics are local. People don't like outsiders telling them what to do, whether it be on the right or left. Its ironic that Owens is more conservative than Dede.Here's how my Democratic Party wins elections in this political climate, be more centrist and become fiscal hawks, including runaway defense spending and endless wars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With the Owen&#8217;s win it seems that Armey,Palin, and Beck should have realized the old adage, all politics are local. People don&#8217;t like outsiders telling them what to do, whether it be on the right or left. Its ironic that Owens is more conservative than Dede.Here&#8217;s how my Democratic Party wins elections in this political climate, be more centrist and become fiscal hawks, including runaway defense spending and endless wars.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard bottoms</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard bottoms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 10:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear conservative Taliban, thanks for the win in New York.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear conservative Taliban, thanks for the win in New York.</p>
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		<title>By: Online Public School Mom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Online Public School Mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thing is that the middle gets off the couch to vote, not to activate.  The middle controls, but only in their mind, and the pull of the lever.  When the activists sit it out, the other side wins.  There is a nice symmetry to that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thing is that the middle gets off the couch to vote, not to activate.  The middle controls, but only in their mind, and the pull of the lever.  When the activists sit it out, the other side wins.  There is a nice symmetry to that.</p>
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		<title>By: obamathered</title>
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		<dc:creator>obamathered</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't see it, Rick. Where is there is this huge urge to purge outside of meaningless blogoland? Republicans--and Independents--are energized and are ready to push back against the left-wing politics of this Administration. Christie certainly is moderate, but conservatives have cheered his victory. The irony is that the only seat that may go to the Democrats is NY23--because the New York GOP appartus orginally pushed a ridiculous candidate to the left of the Democrat. From what I see, Republicans are very united in trying to regain the House in 2010, and Independents seem ready to hand it to them.

This wasn't even the first shoe to drop tonight. That will come in 2010. I can be very objective on this point: if I were a Democratic MoC in a moderate to conservative district, I would be scared shitless tonight. Political fortunes can turn in a year, but 2010 is poised to be a very, very Republican year. Note "Republican," not "conservative."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see it, Rick. Where is there is this huge urge to purge outside of meaningless blogoland? Republicans&#8211;and Independents&#8211;are energized and are ready to push back against the left-wing politics of this Administration. Christie certainly is moderate, but conservatives have cheered his victory. The irony is that the only seat that may go to the Democrats is NY23&#8211;because the New York GOP appartus orginally pushed a ridiculous candidate to the left of the Democrat. From what I see, Republicans are very united in trying to regain the House in 2010, and Independents seem ready to hand it to them.</p>
<p>This wasn&#8217;t even the first shoe to drop tonight. That will come in 2010. I can be very objective on this point: if I were a Democratic MoC in a moderate to conservative district, I would be scared shitless tonight. Political fortunes can turn in a year, but 2010 is poised to be a very, very Republican year. Note &#8220;Republican,&#8221; not &#8220;conservative.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Polimom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Polimom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely, there's irony.  The purists on the left and right are yin and yang to one another.  

There's a certain beauty -- a symmetry -- to the thought process.  And as far as I'm concerned, I wish them all well.  I hope the purists on both sides manage to form up two hard, shiny, pure little ideological knots.  

And then, when 20% or so are happy on the left, and another 20% or so are cozy on the right, the rest of us can form up a new party and finally govern the country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely, there&#8217;s irony.  The purists on the left and right are yin and yang to one another.  </p>
<p>There&#8217;s a certain beauty &#8212; a symmetry &#8212; to the thought process.  And as far as I&#8217;m concerned, I wish them all well.  I hope the purists on both sides manage to form up two hard, shiny, pure little ideological knots.  </p>
<p>And then, when 20% or so are happy on the left, and another 20% or so are cozy on the right, the rest of us can form up a new party and finally govern the country.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 23:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let's see what happens, Rick.  I don't see 'irony'.  I see competition and disagreement.  Mr. Hoffman will not win (if he does) because Ms. Scozzafava was sometimes unfairly trashed.  Mr. Owens will not win (if he does) because of Pelosi and Reid laughter.  Who nationally at least knows of Messrs. Walker and Ranger (unless it is a Chuck Norris fan)?  Any 'coming together' of republicans through Ms. Scozzafava in a special election in this environment would have been a miracle.  It would have been stupid, too.  Good luck to the only choice: Mr. Hoffman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s see what happens, Rick.  I don&#8217;t see &#8216;irony&#8217;.  I see competition and disagreement.  Mr. Hoffman will not win (if he does) because Ms. Scozzafava was sometimes unfairly trashed.  Mr. Owens will not win (if he does) because of Pelosi and Reid laughter.  Who nationally at least knows of Messrs. Walker and Ranger (unless it is a Chuck Norris fan)?  Any &#8216;coming together&#8217; of republicans through Ms. Scozzafava in a special election in this environment would have been a miracle.  It would have been stupid, too.  Good luck to the only choice: Mr. Hoffman.</p>
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		<title>By: Gunny G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gunny G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 23:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry but Scozzafava is a squishy Rockefeller RINO and glad she's gone. Her failure to condemn the corrupt ACORNholes was enough for me. I'll be even happier when the East Coast Bluebloods in the GOP are history. 

Bold colors over pale pastels...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry but Scozzafava is a squishy Rockefeller RINO and glad she&#8217;s gone. Her failure to condemn the corrupt ACORNholes was enough for me. I&#8217;ll be even happier when the East Coast Bluebloods in the GOP are history. </p>
<p>Bold colors over pale pastels&#8230;</p>
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