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		<title>By: barbara flax</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2009/11/08/thoughts-on-health-care-reform-passage/comment-page-1/#comment-1766533</link>
		<dc:creator>barbara flax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 19:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>malcomb you are an idiot.  Its okay for Nixon Reagan, Bush and clinton to bow but not obama. You are a freaking racist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>malcomb you are an idiot.  Its okay for Nixon Reagan, Bush and clinton to bow but not obama. You are a freaking racist.</p>
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		<title>By: busboy33</title>
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		<dc:creator>busboy33</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 21:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@TMLutas:

"Or didn’t you know that you really ought to reload your browser right before you post a comment referring to a recent comment number?"

Well . . . no.  No I didn't.

Oddly though, that didn't appear to be the cause of the "I can count to potato!" gaffe.  I posted the big one (I'll just avoid numbers from now on), then came back about an hour later, saw the "Anonymous" tag and posted the little one.  Came back a few hours later and there was nothing new.  THEN came back about an hour later and your comment had popped in ahead of mine.  There were at least two full PC shutdowns (including temp file wipes) in between the first and last step, so my cache would have been clear regardless I think.  Although I'm probably wrong about that too.

Regardless, no I didn't know that, and yes I meant #39, not #38.

On the plus side, it looks like my "learn something new everyday" goal got hit pretty early today, so after finishing some final drafts for work I can start to enjoy MW2 guilt-free (thanks steet-date breaking vendors!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@TMLutas:</p>
<p>&#8220;Or didn’t you know that you really ought to reload your browser right before you post a comment referring to a recent comment number?&#8221;</p>
<p>Well . . . no.  No I didn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Oddly though, that didn&#8217;t appear to be the cause of the &#8220;I can count to potato!&#8221; gaffe.  I posted the big one (I&#8217;ll just avoid numbers from now on), then came back about an hour later, saw the &#8220;Anonymous&#8221; tag and posted the little one.  Came back a few hours later and there was nothing new.  THEN came back about an hour later and your comment had popped in ahead of mine.  There were at least two full PC shutdowns (including temp file wipes) in between the first and last step, so my cache would have been clear regardless I think.  Although I&#8217;m probably wrong about that too.</p>
<p>Regardless, no I didn&#8217;t know that, and yes I meant #39, not #38.</p>
<p>On the plus side, it looks like my &#8220;learn something new everyday&#8221; goal got hit pretty early today, so after finishing some final drafts for work I can start to enjoy MW2 guilt-free (thanks steet-date breaking vendors!).</p>
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		<title>By: Gayle Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gayle Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When this despicable intrusion into the private lives of all Americans was foisted upon us (at least in part - thank God for the perhaps more sensible Senate who can and should kill it altogether), it was in violation of all the rules of the House of Representatives AND against the clearly expressed wishes of the people of the United States of America who are the EMPLOYERS of these clowns in the House, all of whom should be unemployed (most particularly that rampaging lunatic called Nancy Pelosi) come November 2010.  Let's get on that if we really want to make a difference.

And to those conservative clowns who decided to "teach the Republicans a lesson" in 2006 and 2008 - nice going you lacklustre morons!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When this despicable intrusion into the private lives of all Americans was foisted upon us (at least in part - thank God for the perhaps more sensible Senate who can and should kill it altogether), it was in violation of all the rules of the House of Representatives AND against the clearly expressed wishes of the people of the United States of America who are the EMPLOYERS of these clowns in the House, all of whom should be unemployed (most particularly that rampaging lunatic called Nancy Pelosi) come November 2010.  Let&#8217;s get on that if we really want to make a difference.</p>
<p>And to those conservative clowns who decided to &#8220;teach the Republicans a lesson&#8221; in 2006 and 2008 - nice going you lacklustre morons!</p>
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		<title>By: michael reynolds</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael reynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justice:

Radio's been around quite a while as a technology.  And as a platform for loud-mouthed bigots it's been around for at least 75 years, since the days of Father Coughlin, the hate-mongering progenitor of Limbaugh and Beck.

Cable TV news has been around since CNN was founded in 1980.  Blogs have been around for about a decade, give or take.

So nothing technological has changed.  And since Democrats now run the White House and both houses of Congress one would have to guess that any such new technology aided our side not yours.  (The biggest political blogs by far are liberal and not conservative.)  So if your theory is that the internet is helping people to learn The Truth that's fine by me:  Obama's at 55% and the GOP is at less than half that.

You somehow conflate liberals with government censorship of political media.  Not quite sure what that's even supposed to mean.  Can you point to a single example of government censorship of media because of the political content?

To the extent broadcast media are censored it's usually to do with language and sex -- for example the vendetta against Howard Stern.  And that almost always comes from your side of the spectrum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justice:</p>
<p>Radio&#8217;s been around quite a while as a technology.  And as a platform for loud-mouthed bigots it&#8217;s been around for at least 75 years, since the days of Father Coughlin, the hate-mongering progenitor of Limbaugh and Beck.</p>
<p>Cable TV news has been around since CNN was founded in 1980.  Blogs have been around for about a decade, give or take.</p>
<p>So nothing technological has changed.  And since Democrats now run the White House and both houses of Congress one would have to guess that any such new technology aided our side not yours.  (The biggest political blogs by far are liberal and not conservative.)  So if your theory is that the internet is helping people to learn The Truth that&#8217;s fine by me:  Obama&#8217;s at 55% and the GOP is at less than half that.</p>
<p>You somehow conflate liberals with government censorship of political media.  Not quite sure what that&#8217;s even supposed to mean.  Can you point to a single example of government censorship of media because of the political content?</p>
<p>To the extent broadcast media are censored it&#8217;s usually to do with language and sex &#8212; for example the vendetta against Howard Stern.  And that almost always comes from your side of the spectrum.</p>
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		<title>By: JustIce</title>
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		<dc:creator>JustIce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael Reynolds...you are just so clever. Your wit and wisdom, are truly those of a superior intellect. In fact, you sir are a fine example of an Left-wing Ass (it's a Biblical word)...err....I mean elitist. 

My original point was and still is that the power of the "left-wing" to censor political discussion has been altered by the abundance of communications media. It is true that repeal of the "Fairness Doctrine" enabled TV and radio to finally become "fair". However, computer and information technology has accellerated the discussion far beyond the control of government. But, of course someone with your intellect already knew this. You're just toying with me. That's why you pull quotes out of context.

And by the way no response, is a response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael Reynolds&#8230;you are just so clever. Your wit and wisdom, are truly those of a superior intellect. In fact, you sir are a fine example of an Left-wing Ass (it&#8217;s a Biblical word)&#8230;err&#8230;.I mean elitist. </p>
<p>My original point was and still is that the power of the &#8220;left-wing&#8221; to censor political discussion has been altered by the abundance of communications media. It is true that repeal of the &#8220;Fairness Doctrine&#8221; enabled TV and radio to finally become &#8220;fair&#8221;. However, computer and information technology has accellerated the discussion far beyond the control of government. But, of course someone with your intellect already knew this. You&#8217;re just toying with me. That&#8217;s why you pull quotes out of context.</p>
<p>And by the way no response, is a response.</p>
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		<title>By: TMLutas</title>
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		<dc:creator>TMLutas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>busboy33 - Surely you mean comment 39. We are not the same. You can count to 39, right? Or didn't you know that you really ought to reload your browser right before you post a comment referring to a recent comment number?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>busboy33 - Surely you mean comment 39. We are not the same. You can count to 39, right? Or didn&#8217;t you know that you really ought to reload your browser right before you post a comment referring to a recent comment number?</p>
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		<title>By: Maggie's Farm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maggie's Farm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 11:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Monday morning links...&lt;/strong&gt;

The contortions people are going through to avoid the obvious reality that Major Hasan was a one-man&#160;Jihad are remarkable. Scott at Powerline identified his disorder: PISS. Why do Moslems get a pass on violence? Wizbang: Hasan worshipped with 9-11...</description>
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<p>The contortions people are going through to avoid the obvious reality that Major Hasan was a one-man&nbsp;Jihad are remarkable. Scott at Powerline identified his disorder: PISS. Why do Moslems get a pass on violence? Wizbang: Hasan worshipped with 9-11&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: busboy33</title>
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		<dc:creator>busboy33</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 06:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wasn't logged in -- I'd hate for Travis not to know it was me mocking him in comment #38 above.

Ah, the simple pleasures . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wasn&#8217;t logged in &#8212; I&#8217;d hate for Travis not to know it was me mocking him in comment #38 above.</p>
<p>Ah, the simple pleasures . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 05:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Justice:

"This is temporary political prosperity for the Dems and liberals."

Political prosperity is ALWAYS temporary.

@Travis Monitor:

"Multiple bills, lots of interesting ideas that could lower healthcare costs (somethings the Dems did nothing about) - Democrats ignored them. In Senate and House committees, they were shut down, cut off, ignored, and in rules committee, they simply squashed GOP amendments like so many bugs."

Yes -- that's something called the political process.  They proffered ideas, the ideas were voted down.
Multiple bills?  There was the renegade GOP bill offered back in the Spring by, what?  5 or 6 GOPers?  Even the party didn't back it.  And they just offered another last week -- as has been pointed out, the bill looks to most people like a steaming pile of crap.  I know you love it . . . but that doesn't change the fact that most people are laughing at it.

What else?

"It’s an absolute and utter farce to speak of GOP ‘engagement’ with Democrats when the most partisan Speaker in our lifetimes Pelosi runs the House like a prison warden, stripping away Gingrich-era rules that had opened up the House. Obama himself wont really listen, with his 'I won' attitude."

Yes . . . the GOP controlled House was a model of seeking out and promoting Democratic ideas.  I remember Gingrich giving that press conference, where he begged the Dems to help write legislation, and castigated GOP members for exercising their majority control to implement the Contract with America without asking Dem leaders if they approved.

Ah . . . memories.  Or hallucinations.

"This is Democrat ‘bipartisanship’: voting for the left liberal Democrat bill."

So . . . the Democrats SHOULDN't vote for their own Bill?  They should only vote for Republican sponsored Bills?  I guess that for the GOP, 'bi-partisan' means being able to make the Dems vote for the GOP Bills.  That's why the voters elected a Democratic majority -- to vote Republican.  After all, you couldn't trust the GOP to do that, right?  The voter's will be done . . . if you define "voter's will" as "Travis Monitor's 'Happy Ending' fantasy.

"Here on planet earth, independents went 2 for 1 for the Republican candidate in Virginia this week."

Well, that settles it -- the Nationwide Republican tsunami has been confirmed.  I mean, if the Republican Party can win the Governorship of Virginia then nothing can stop them.  Since 1970, Reds have held the seat 6 times, Dems 5.
I'm going to throw a wild idea out there.  Maybe . . . just maybe . . . voters know the difference between National and State-level elections?  Maybe they liked McDonnell more than Deeds?
No, you're right.  It was certainly a stunning rebuke of the National Democratic Agenda.  I mean, why else would someone vote except to declare unswerving allegience to a National Party?  How silly of me.  That's why the GOP picked up -2 National seats in the elections.  At this rate they'll be running the Federal government in less than negative 3 decades!  Roll on, brave soldiers for truth!

@Reason60:

"But it is a valid point that this is by far the best health care reform bill extant."

That can't be true.  It was written by Democrats, so by definition it must be a bad Bill.  If the Reds had written "Durrr Tax Cuts Poopie" on a napkin, the sublime righteousness of their lapel pins would mean it was better than anything written by a Democrat, automatically.
This debate started over 6 months ago.  The House Reds got their version out last week.  If that doesn't demonstrate how important fixing this is for them to you . . . I guess you're just blinded by partisanship.  After all, they have been trying really hard to fix health care all year, in between their rallies, "Waterloo" strategy meetings, death panel press conferences, and urging people to flood town halls over the summer recess to stop the Blues from killing Grandma.  I don't know about you, but that screams "we are serious about reforming health care" to me.  
Well, it screams that to Travis, and he knows what's what.  That's good enough for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Justice:</p>
<p>&#8220;This is temporary political prosperity for the Dems and liberals.&#8221;</p>
<p>Political prosperity is ALWAYS temporary.</p>
<p>@Travis Monitor:</p>
<p>&#8220;Multiple bills, lots of interesting ideas that could lower healthcare costs (somethings the Dems did nothing about) - Democrats ignored them. In Senate and House committees, they were shut down, cut off, ignored, and in rules committee, they simply squashed GOP amendments like so many bugs.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes &#8212; that&#8217;s something called the political process.  They proffered ideas, the ideas were voted down.<br />
Multiple bills?  There was the renegade GOP bill offered back in the Spring by, what?  5 or 6 GOPers?  Even the party didn&#8217;t back it.  And they just offered another last week &#8212; as has been pointed out, the bill looks to most people like a steaming pile of crap.  I know you love it . . . but that doesn&#8217;t change the fact that most people are laughing at it.</p>
<p>What else?</p>
<p>&#8220;It’s an absolute and utter farce to speak of GOP ‘engagement’ with Democrats when the most partisan Speaker in our lifetimes Pelosi runs the House like a prison warden, stripping away Gingrich-era rules that had opened up the House. Obama himself wont really listen, with his &#8216;I won&#8217; attitude.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes . . . the GOP controlled House was a model of seeking out and promoting Democratic ideas.  I remember Gingrich giving that press conference, where he begged the Dems to help write legislation, and castigated GOP members for exercising their majority control to implement the Contract with America without asking Dem leaders if they approved.</p>
<p>Ah . . . memories.  Or hallucinations.</p>
<p>&#8220;This is Democrat ‘bipartisanship’: voting for the left liberal Democrat bill.&#8221;</p>
<p>So . . . the Democrats SHOULDN&#8217;t vote for their own Bill?  They should only vote for Republican sponsored Bills?  I guess that for the GOP, &#8216;bi-partisan&#8217; means being able to make the Dems vote for the GOP Bills.  That&#8217;s why the voters elected a Democratic majority &#8212; to vote Republican.  After all, you couldn&#8217;t trust the GOP to do that, right?  The voter&#8217;s will be done . . . if you define &#8220;voter&#8217;s will&#8221; as &#8220;Travis Monitor&#8217;s &#8216;Happy Ending&#8217; fantasy.</p>
<p>&#8220;Here on planet earth, independents went 2 for 1 for the Republican candidate in Virginia this week.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, that settles it &#8212; the Nationwide Republican tsunami has been confirmed.  I mean, if the Republican Party can win the Governorship of Virginia then nothing can stop them.  Since 1970, Reds have held the seat 6 times, Dems 5.<br />
I&#8217;m going to throw a wild idea out there.  Maybe . . . just maybe . . . voters know the difference between National and State-level elections?  Maybe they liked McDonnell more than Deeds?<br />
No, you&#8217;re right.  It was certainly a stunning rebuke of the National Democratic Agenda.  I mean, why else would someone vote except to declare unswerving allegience to a National Party?  How silly of me.  That&#8217;s why the GOP picked up -2 National seats in the elections.  At this rate they&#8217;ll be running the Federal government in less than negative 3 decades!  Roll on, brave soldiers for truth!</p>
<p>@Reason60:</p>
<p>&#8220;But it is a valid point that this is by far the best health care reform bill extant.&#8221;</p>
<p>That can&#8217;t be true.  It was written by Democrats, so by definition it must be a bad Bill.  If the Reds had written &#8220;Durrr Tax Cuts Poopie&#8221; on a napkin, the sublime righteousness of their lapel pins would mean it was better than anything written by a Democrat, automatically.<br />
This debate started over 6 months ago.  The House Reds got their version out last week.  If that doesn&#8217;t demonstrate how important fixing this is for them to you . . . I guess you&#8217;re just blinded by partisanship.  After all, they have been trying really hard to fix health care all year, in between their rallies, &#8220;Waterloo&#8221; strategy meetings, death panel press conferences, and urging people to flood town halls over the summer recess to stop the Blues from killing Grandma.  I don&#8217;t know about you, but that screams &#8220;we are serious about reforming health care&#8221; to me.<br />
Well, it screams that to Travis, and he knows what&#8217;s what.  That&#8217;s good enough for me.</p>
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