Comments on: ALL OF A SUDDEN, THE SCIENCE ISN’T ‘SETTLED?’

By: Mark_0454

Mark_0454 — Sat, 28 Nov 2009 12:38:46 +0000

Mr. Moran. I don’t like your essay here (and I usually find your stuff worth thinking about). I think you make a big mistake in saying the Real Climate people “sound reasonable.” Their arguments are meant to distract from the actual problems. In order of difficulty: 1. There is direct evidence these people intended to circumvent FOI requests and destroy or hide evidence. 2. There is evidence these people biased the peer review process in their favor. 3 There are at least suggestions the data is manipulated or fudged. 4. There is a pettiness that would not be expected of professionals.

I don’t care about George Soros. They need to answer the problems listed above.

I agree. The reason it sounded “reasonable” is that I haven’t a clue as to how to judge whether it IS reasonable. Nor am I necessarily giving them the benefit of the doubt based on the other docs that were released.

ed.

By: funny man

funny man — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 16:16:54 +0000

some of the scientists clearly crossed the line. You should not talk about confidential peer reviewed evaluations, you shouldn’t ’stack’ reviewers sympathetic to your case to shoot down a manuscript you don’t like. It’s kind of like insider trading on Wall Street. All those rules primarily function to ensure fairness. Humans like little kids always want to try out how far they can go. That’s why we have the rules and that’s why they need to be enforced once in a while.

By: Hivlon

Hivlon — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 01:29:34 +0000

I like how the first poster expresses his antipathy toward “forcasts” yet the next commenter immediately dives in to the proverbial prognostication.

By: HyperIon

HyperIon — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 22:47:47 +0000

RM wrote: Then there’s Marc Sheppard’s piece that delves more deeply into the codes and finds enormous problems with them.

linky?

and again i’m having a hard time deciding if you are serious or snarking or alternating between the two.

By: Richard bottoms

Richard bottoms — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 20:15:41 +0000

The Dems have no clue what’s coming. I honestly believe there will be a primary challenge to Obama. And hopefully we can get our country back from these liars.

I hear you. But, I’ve heard the Easter Bunny lives on the Island of Misfit Toys as well, but I doubt that’s true either.

Primary challenge to a sitting president who brought the party back from the wilderness?

Yeah right.

How’s the search for that birth certificate going?

Happy Thanksgiving, everyone.

By: Arcadian

Arcadian — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 19:50:55 +0000

Pushing alternative energy in order to get us off of foreign oil is commendable. Pushing U.S. oil exploration would be much, much better.

Suddenly “Drill, Baby, Drill!” looks a whole lot more prescient than “The science is settled.”

It’s a matter of trust. If the Dems are wrong about climate change, then they are wrong on a whole host of other issues. Less than a year after taking office, this President has gone from 70% of independents approving to 33%, and I’m one of those 37% he has lost.

The Dems have no clue what’s coming. I honestly believe there will be a primary challenge to Obama. And hopefully we can get our country back from these liars.

By: michael reynolds

michael reynolds — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 19:00:32 +0000

I am always skeptical of modeling future events for which there are even a few variables, let alone hundreds. It’s why I take economic forecasts with a grain of salt.

I think the obvious thing to do is to continue the research and take only those actions which make sense in and of themselves, either because they are inherently good or profitable, or because they might be of some use and are cheap and harmless.

It’s certainly a good idea to continue researching alternative energy, certainly a good idea to improve gas mileage, probably with hybrids and electric vehicles, and where possible without Draconian measures cut smokestack emissions. Those all are seen as improving the global warming picture and even if they don’t then they’re good ideas all by themselves.

If we can push the emerging economies to put at least some thought into environmental consequences, that’s a good thing regardless of global warming. Even without climate change it’s not a great idea to throw billions of pounds of crap into the air and water.