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		<title>By: Kenneth L. McKay</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2009/12/07/the-mystic-chords-of-memory/comment-page-1/#comment-1767595</link>
		<dc:creator>Kenneth L. McKay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 22:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a Texan incapable of writing the most refined English, but I would have written :"the shocking betrayal by the Japanese" thereby giving this Texan a clearer understanding of who was doing the betraying.
Also, since I was taught about the chicanery of Andrew Jackson and Sam Houston, I would alter the Alamo interpretation just a tad.  The whole piece and the comments pass the test.  I enjoyed them all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a Texan incapable of writing the most refined English, but I would have written :&#8221;the shocking betrayal by the Japanese&#8221; thereby giving this Texan a clearer understanding of who was doing the betraying.<br />
Also, since I was taught about the chicanery of Andrew Jackson and Sam Houston, I would alter the Alamo interpretation just a tad.  The whole piece and the comments pass the test.  I enjoyed them all.</p>
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		<title>By: David M</title>
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		<dc:creator>David M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 16:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Thunder Run has linked to this post in the blog post &lt;a href="http://www.thunderrun.us/2009/12/from-front-12082009.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;From the Front: 12/08/2009 &lt;/a&gt; News and Personal dispatches from the front and the home front.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Thunder Run has linked to this post in the blog post <a href="http://www.thunderrun.us/2009/12/from-front-12082009.html" rel="nofollow">From the Front: 12/08/2009 </a> News and Personal dispatches from the front and the home front.</p>
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		<title>By: John Burke</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Burke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 06:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick said: Is the Alamo truly “American?” Those guys were not fighting for the US - they were fighting for the Republic of Texas. The revisionist take is actually not too bad considering that many - not a majority - of the Americanos in Texas were, in fact, southern slave holders who felt they were furthering the ambitions of southern nationalists in establishing a “Slave empire” that would include most of central and south America. There was an organized effort to homestead Texas with people who believed in that dream.

That puts you on the slippery slope to a revisionist understanding of America's historical role -- not as the 19th-century beacon of liberty or the 20th-century democratic powerhouse but as a slave-driving, Indian-killing, imperial exploiter.  After all, the acquisitions of the territories that became Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Arkansas and Missouri were also key to the building of the southern "Slave empire" (and involved the forcible displacement of the Indian tribes).  Revisionists are also happy to point out that the Mexican War was an imperial struggle, as was the campaign to acquire Oregon and the War with Spain and the subsequent campaign to suppress Filipino rebels.  Moving right along, the wars of the 20th century merely positioned the American hegemon better to fill the gaps left by European colonialists and subjugate half the Third World, right? And as Rev. Wright put it succinctly, "Hiroshima, Hiroshima!"

I'm aware of all the uncomfortable truths about our past but remain eager to point out that in retrospect, we did in fact build the Empire of Liberty imagined by Franklin and others and directly and indirectly liberated a large part of humankind.

I'm not out to lecture or wallow in sentimental patriotism but merely to point out that Texas worked out very nicely and might not have done without the sacrifices of the Texas Revolution, even if some of those laying down their lives were actual or wannabe slaveholders.  After all, Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe and Jackson were slaveholders, too.  

Just as surely as there is a way to delegitimize "remembering the Alamo" and "remembering the Maine," there is a way to do the same to Pearl Harbor.  Indeed, it is already under way as you can see easily if you read that Times op-ed by Bradley.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick said: Is the Alamo truly “American?” Those guys were not fighting for the US - they were fighting for the Republic of Texas. The revisionist take is actually not too bad considering that many - not a majority - of the Americanos in Texas were, in fact, southern slave holders who felt they were furthering the ambitions of southern nationalists in establishing a “Slave empire” that would include most of central and south America. There was an organized effort to homestead Texas with people who believed in that dream.</p>
<p>That puts you on the slippery slope to a revisionist understanding of America&#8217;s historical role &#8212; not as the 19th-century beacon of liberty or the 20th-century democratic powerhouse but as a slave-driving, Indian-killing, imperial exploiter.  After all, the acquisitions of the territories that became Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Arkansas and Missouri were also key to the building of the southern &#8220;Slave empire&#8221; (and involved the forcible displacement of the Indian tribes).  Revisionists are also happy to point out that the Mexican War was an imperial struggle, as was the campaign to acquire Oregon and the War with Spain and the subsequent campaign to suppress Filipino rebels.  Moving right along, the wars of the 20th century merely positioned the American hegemon better to fill the gaps left by European colonialists and subjugate half the Third World, right? And as Rev. Wright put it succinctly, &#8220;Hiroshima, Hiroshima!&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m aware of all the uncomfortable truths about our past but remain eager to point out that in retrospect, we did in fact build the Empire of Liberty imagined by Franklin and others and directly and indirectly liberated a large part of humankind.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not out to lecture or wallow in sentimental patriotism but merely to point out that Texas worked out very nicely and might not have done without the sacrifices of the Texas Revolution, even if some of those laying down their lives were actual or wannabe slaveholders.  After all, Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe and Jackson were slaveholders, too.  </p>
<p>Just as surely as there is a way to delegitimize &#8220;remembering the Alamo&#8221; and &#8220;remembering the Maine,&#8221; there is a way to do the same to Pearl Harbor.  Indeed, it is already under way as you can see easily if you read that Times op-ed by Bradley.</p>
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		<description>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Rick Moran, Mimesis Art Prints. Mimesis Art Prints said: THE MYSTIC CHORDS OF MEMORY: “The mystic chords of memory, stretching from every battlefield and patriot.. http://bit.ly/4u65rC [...]</description>
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		<title>By: PAul l</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 03:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, lest us not forget that there are published papers based on archives declassified recently and now remanded to the dark Federal Tomb again. The premise being that the Japanese Military Code was broken prior to the attack, and that the Japanese fleet did not maintain radio silence; that our military and civilian government was well aware of the impending attack. One only wonders why so many ships of the line were left to be sacrificed, along with the Thousands of Sailors and Marines aboard.

&lt;em&gt;Um...there is no dispute that the government knew we were going to be attacked. The idea they knew it was going to be Pearl Harbor has been debunked too many times to count. There was no "sacrifice" of our ships or men because the military believed the target was probably going to be the East Indies or, as a longshot, the Philippines. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, lest us not forget that there are published papers based on archives declassified recently and now remanded to the dark Federal Tomb again. The premise being that the Japanese Military Code was broken prior to the attack, and that the Japanese fleet did not maintain radio silence; that our military and civilian government was well aware of the impending attack. One only wonders why so many ships of the line were left to be sacrificed, along with the Thousands of Sailors and Marines aboard.</p>
<p><em>Um&#8230;there is no dispute that the government knew we were going to be attacked. The idea they knew it was going to be Pearl Harbor has been debunked too many times to count. There was no &#8220;sacrifice&#8221; of our ships or men because the military believed the target was probably going to be the East Indies or, as a longshot, the Philippines. </p>
<p>ed.</em></p>
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		<title>By: MochaLite</title>
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		<dc:creator>MochaLite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 01:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But what did we do to make them dislike us?   Surely this would be a good day for Obama to apologize to the Japanese.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But what did we do to make them dislike us?   Surely this would be a good day for Obama to apologize to the Japanese.</p>
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		<title>By: still liberal</title>
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		<dc:creator>still liberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 22:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for this great post. For Mr. Burke, James Bradley's "The Imperial Cruise" is being appropriately gutted by most responsible historians, so that bit of attempted revisionism is not a real concern. Pearl Harbor will be a part of the American conscious as long as we are a nation. The heroic efforts of Americans following this jolting attack was a masterwork of national effort equal to or greater than our Civil War. The mobilization of the country for war and the efforts of our military and civilian population in defeating the Axis powers is a story equal to that of any in history. 
My concern is the legacy of 9/11. The bravery of the military in Iraq and Afghanistan cannot be denied by any thinking person. But where was the sense of shared effort to deal with this attack on the American psyche? We created a massive new bureaucracy which was likely not needed.We invested wisely in our abilities to track terrorist's money, activities and planning. But we trivialized the matter with the color coded threat levels, shoe removal at airports, and attacking a country that had little or nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks. We were told to go shopping and that no sacrifice of money in increasing taxes to pay for the wars was needed. What will Americans in 2077, sixty eight years from now, think of 9/11? It will likely not have the impact of Pearl Harbor on the national memory because of how we chose to respond to this assault on America.

&lt;em&gt;One word defines the difference: Leadership. In crisis, most of us eagerly follow a leader, someone who has a plan and can articulate it.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Question answered.

ed.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this great post. For Mr. Burke, James Bradley&#8217;s &#8220;The Imperial Cruise&#8221; is being appropriately gutted by most responsible historians, so that bit of attempted revisionism is not a real concern. Pearl Harbor will be a part of the American conscious as long as we are a nation. The heroic efforts of Americans following this jolting attack was a masterwork of national effort equal to or greater than our Civil War. The mobilization of the country for war and the efforts of our military and civilian population in defeating the Axis powers is a story equal to that of any in history.<br />
My concern is the legacy of 9/11. The bravery of the military in Iraq and Afghanistan cannot be denied by any thinking person. But where was the sense of shared effort to deal with this attack on the American psyche? We created a massive new bureaucracy which was likely not needed.We invested wisely in our abilities to track terrorist&#8217;s money, activities and planning. But we trivialized the matter with the color coded threat levels, shoe removal at airports, and attacking a country that had little or nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks. We were told to go shopping and that no sacrifice of money in increasing taxes to pay for the wars was needed. What will Americans in 2077, sixty eight years from now, think of 9/11? It will likely not have the impact of Pearl Harbor on the national memory because of how we chose to respond to this assault on America.</p>
<p><em>One word defines the difference: Leadership. In crisis, most of us eagerly follow a leader, someone who has a plan and can articulate it.</em></p>
<p><em>Question answered.</p>
<p>ed.</em></p>
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		<title>By: John Burke</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Burke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 19:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish it were true that Pearl Harbor will always remain in the "storehouse of our national memories."  Alas, of Yorktown, New Orleans, Chapultepec, Gettysburg, San Juan Hill and the Argonne Forest, my guess is that the only one that many young people might be able to place is Gettysburg.  

And we're well into a process of transforming Pearl Harbor into another lesson in American misbehavior, led as we are by a President who ostentatiously bowed to the som of Hirohito.  Worse, The New York Times saw fit to publish an op-ed Saturday by the author James Bradley (the son of one of the Iwo Jima flag raisers, no less) in which Bradley set forth the ludicrous proposition that Theodore Roosevelt's pro-Japan dilpomacy early in the century enabled and propelled the Japanese imperialism that came crashing down on Pearl Harbor 35 years or so later.  While Bradley didn't explicitly say, "chickens coming home to roost," that was the plain meaning of his op-ed.  That the Japanese Empire needed no encouragement from Roosevelt to make war on Russia and seize Korea or later from his cousin to make war on China and seize Manchuria seems to escape Bradley.

A few more years, and we'll see even more absurd revisionism.

And, Rick, I noticed that you left out the Alamo! Isn't that because it's already become settled in adademe that a bunch of white southern racist slaveholders perished at the Alamo as they tried to steal Texas from Mexico?

&lt;em&gt;Is the Alamo truly "American?" Those guys were not fighting for the US - they were fighting for the Republic of Texas. The revisionist take is actually not too bad considering that many - not a majority - of the Americanos in Texas were, in fact, southern slave holders who felt they were furthering the ambitions of southern nationalists in establishing a "Slave empire" that would include most of central and south America. There was an organized effort to homestead Texas with people who believed in that dream.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Can't help it sometimes if historical facts are uncomfortable. 

ed.&lt;/em&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish it were true that Pearl Harbor will always remain in the &#8220;storehouse of our national memories.&#8221;  Alas, of Yorktown, New Orleans, Chapultepec, Gettysburg, San Juan Hill and the Argonne Forest, my guess is that the only one that many young people might be able to place is Gettysburg.  </p>
<p>And we&#8217;re well into a process of transforming Pearl Harbor into another lesson in American misbehavior, led as we are by a President who ostentatiously bowed to the som of Hirohito.  Worse, The New York Times saw fit to publish an op-ed Saturday by the author James Bradley (the son of one of the Iwo Jima flag raisers, no less) in which Bradley set forth the ludicrous proposition that Theodore Roosevelt&#8217;s pro-Japan dilpomacy early in the century enabled and propelled the Japanese imperialism that came crashing down on Pearl Harbor 35 years or so later.  While Bradley didn&#8217;t explicitly say, &#8220;chickens coming home to roost,&#8221; that was the plain meaning of his op-ed.  That the Japanese Empire needed no encouragement from Roosevelt to make war on Russia and seize Korea or later from his cousin to make war on China and seize Manchuria seems to escape Bradley.</p>
<p>A few more years, and we&#8217;ll see even more absurd revisionism.</p>
<p>And, Rick, I noticed that you left out the Alamo! Isn&#8217;t that because it&#8217;s already become settled in adademe that a bunch of white southern racist slaveholders perished at the Alamo as they tried to steal Texas from Mexico?</p>
<p><em>Is the Alamo truly &#8220;American?&#8221; Those guys were not fighting for the US - they were fighting for the Republic of Texas. The revisionist take is actually not too bad considering that many - not a majority - of the Americanos in Texas were, in fact, southern slave holders who felt they were furthering the ambitions of southern nationalists in establishing a &#8220;Slave empire&#8221; that would include most of central and south America. There was an organized effort to homestead Texas with people who believed in that dream.</em></p>
<p><em>Can&#8217;t help it sometimes if historical facts are uncomfortable. </p>
<p>ed.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Jenn of the Jungle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenn of the Jungle</dc:creator>
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		<description>Wow, what a great post Rick, thank you.</description>
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