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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2009/12/19/earth-like-planet-found-close-by/comment-page-1/#comment-1767775</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 01:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Finding a water world certainly increases our chances of finding life outside of the solar system. But don't hold your breath waiting for scientists to find an "extra-solar civilization." While life may be common in the universe, it's probably mostly bacterial.  On Earth for example, life appeared almost as soon as the crust cooled, but consisted almost entirely of microbes for about 4 billion years.  All the interesting stuff has happened only in the last 500 million years. If that's how long it takes for life to get off the ground, then extraterrestrial civilizations are likely few and far between.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finding a water world certainly increases our chances of finding life outside of the solar system. But don&#8217;t hold your breath waiting for scientists to find an &#8220;extra-solar civilization.&#8221; While life may be common in the universe, it&#8217;s probably mostly bacterial.  On Earth for example, life appeared almost as soon as the crust cooled, but consisted almost entirely of microbes for about 4 billion years.  All the interesting stuff has happened only in the last 500 million years. If that&#8217;s how long it takes for life to get off the ground, then extraterrestrial civilizations are likely few and far between.</p>
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		<title>By: cedarhill</title>
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		<dc:creator>cedarhill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 16:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is exciting to see some indication the theories of solar system creation may be more true than false. But don't forget it's only an indication.  A water (hot ocean) world six times the size of Earth?  Show me the equations that predicted this planet.  Then to jump to "conditions for life" is a bit of a stretch unless you work for the CRU under Jones.  There is so much we don't know in these areas that it's fair to conjecture that or lack of knowledge is several orders of magnitude less than what some believe.

There are some theories (as in t-h-e-o-r-i-e-s) about how a single cell may have spontaneously occurred and how it managed to survive yet alone reproduce. 

Evolution has become stagnated in the same sort of defensive posture climate science has become.  Really interesting questions of species creation are blocked by the evolution theory.  We've never really seen the mutation process working nor can we explain the explosion of species during certain periods. We just say "evolutionary process" and voila! Sometimes you read about mutations but in order for mutations to "take hold" there would have to be multiple near-identical mutations so they could breed to perpetuate the new species.  All this means is we kid ourselves if we really think we know much about life, creation of species and how that all works in the cosmic scheme of things.

And don't forget unless there is faster than light transportation and/or communication capability we'd not even "see" what happened for quite a long time.

So, raise a toast to ET, sing a song of praise but don't bet a quarter you'll see any thing other than what the Earth has seen these last few billion years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is exciting to see some indication the theories of solar system creation may be more true than false. But don&#8217;t forget it&#8217;s only an indication.  A water (hot ocean) world six times the size of Earth?  Show me the equations that predicted this planet.  Then to jump to &#8220;conditions for life&#8221; is a bit of a stretch unless you work for the CRU under Jones.  There is so much we don&#8217;t know in these areas that it&#8217;s fair to conjecture that or lack of knowledge is several orders of magnitude less than what some believe.</p>
<p>There are some theories (as in t-h-e-o-r-i-e-s) about how a single cell may have spontaneously occurred and how it managed to survive yet alone reproduce. </p>
<p>Evolution has become stagnated in the same sort of defensive posture climate science has become.  Really interesting questions of species creation are blocked by the evolution theory.  We&#8217;ve never really seen the mutation process working nor can we explain the explosion of species during certain periods. We just say &#8220;evolutionary process&#8221; and voila! Sometimes you read about mutations but in order for mutations to &#8220;take hold&#8221; there would have to be multiple near-identical mutations so they could breed to perpetuate the new species.  All this means is we kid ourselves if we really think we know much about life, creation of species and how that all works in the cosmic scheme of things.</p>
<p>And don&#8217;t forget unless there is faster than light transportation and/or communication capability we&#8217;d not even &#8220;see&#8221; what happened for quite a long time.</p>
<p>So, raise a toast to ET, sing a song of praise but don&#8217;t bet a quarter you&#8217;ll see any thing other than what the Earth has seen these last few billion years.</p>
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		<title>By: Finding The Right Air Purifier &#124; myBlog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Finding The Right Air Purifier &#124; myBlog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 15:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: sota</title>
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		<dc:creator>sota</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 02:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The narrative is lacking for Mars. People need a story not a science puzzle.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

From my read, the Mars "story" blows away Gilligan's. And I don't see Gilligan catching up quickly. People were captivated for weeks when the rovers first sent back pictures. And for the first few months, the story of the rovers was water cooler talk all over the world (and discoveries over the years have at times piqued people's interests again). I'm not sure something that can't actually be "seen", will do much to get people excited (at least people beyond the space geeks). 

&lt;blockquote&gt;The super-Earths themselves are too distant to be seen. Instead, astronomers infer their presence from subtle distortions in starlight, caused when photons travel through the super-Earths’ gravitational fields. Depending on the degree of distortion, astronomers can even calculate a planet’s mass.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;em&gt;No contest between public interest in Mars vs. Gilligan. But I think ultimately the Big Question of intelligent life elsewhere will be answered by the search and discovery of Gilligans.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;The probes they plan on sending to Mars in the future are pretty sophisticated. The one that's going in 2011 will be a "smart lander" with a nuclear powered rover that might wander around for a decade. Sample return missions scheduled for I think 2014. These will be interesting but do not hold out the promise for the kind of spectacular discoveries that can be made by the NGST or even the earth based observations that are getting more and more detailed.

ed.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The narrative is lacking for Mars. People need a story not a science puzzle.</p></blockquote>
<p>From my read, the Mars &#8220;story&#8221; blows away Gilligan&#8217;s. And I don&#8217;t see Gilligan catching up quickly. People were captivated for weeks when the rovers first sent back pictures. And for the first few months, the story of the rovers was water cooler talk all over the world (and discoveries over the years have at times piqued people&#8217;s interests again). I&#8217;m not sure something that can&#8217;t actually be &#8220;seen&#8221;, will do much to get people excited (at least people beyond the space geeks). </p>
<blockquote><p>The super-Earths themselves are too distant to be seen. Instead, astronomers infer their presence from subtle distortions in starlight, caused when photons travel through the super-Earths’ gravitational fields. Depending on the degree of distortion, astronomers can even calculate a planet’s mass.</p></blockquote>
<p><em>No contest between public interest in Mars vs. Gilligan. But I think ultimately the Big Question of intelligent life elsewhere will be answered by the search and discovery of Gilligans.</em></p>
<p><em>The probes they plan on sending to Mars in the future are pretty sophisticated. The one that&#8217;s going in 2011 will be a &#8220;smart lander&#8221; with a nuclear powered rover that might wander around for a decade. Sample return missions scheduled for I think 2014. These will be interesting but do not hold out the promise for the kind of spectacular discoveries that can be made by the NGST or even the earth based observations that are getting more and more detailed.</p>
<p>ed.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy G.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 00:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm so totally stoked about this!  I want the improvements in cloud computing and quantum computing to happen *now* so we can infer as much as possible from the data gathered by the new telescopes going up into space.

Makes me totally want to go see Avatar now.  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m so totally stoked about this!  I want the improvements in cloud computing and quantum computing to happen *now* so we can infer as much as possible from the data gathered by the new telescopes going up into space.</p>
<p>Makes me totally want to go see Avatar now.  <img src='http://rightwingnuthouse.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: michael reynolds</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael reynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 20:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John:

The narrative is lacking for Mars. People need a story not a science puzzle.  And a good story inevitably involves characters.  We've taken character out of the story -- no astronauts, no potential aliens -- and made rational choices involving machines and action at a distance.  

People won't spend billions on a story about how some guy at an observatory saw something through his telescope and sent a hi-tech Roomba to look at it.  Not unless the end of the story is:  we build a big-ass spaceship an go there ourselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John:</p>
<p>The narrative is lacking for Mars. People need a story not a science puzzle.  And a good story inevitably involves characters.  We&#8217;ve taken character out of the story &#8212; no astronauts, no potential aliens &#8212; and made rational choices involving machines and action at a distance.  </p>
<p>People won&#8217;t spend billions on a story about how some guy at an observatory saw something through his telescope and sent a hi-tech Roomba to look at it.  Not unless the end of the story is:  we build a big-ass spaceship an go there ourselves.</p>
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		<title>By: John Burke</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Burke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 19:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Based on the intriguing bits and pieces of info we've gathered over the past 30 years about our neighbor Mars, it seems to me that more study of that planet would be far more interesting -- and informative, plus cool -- than anything we're likel to be able to infer about Gilligan and others in distant solar systems.

And Mars can be directly explored -- even by manned expeditions, although that might cost more than would be justified compared to robot exploration.

In any case, we've been dragging heels on this for decades.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Based on the intriguing bits and pieces of info we&#8217;ve gathered over the past 30 years about our neighbor Mars, it seems to me that more study of that planet would be far more interesting &#8212; and informative, plus cool &#8212; than anything we&#8217;re likel to be able to infer about Gilligan and others in distant solar systems.</p>
<p>And Mars can be directly explored &#8212; even by manned expeditions, although that might cost more than would be justified compared to robot exploration.</p>
<p>In any case, we&#8217;ve been dragging heels on this for decades.</p>
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		<title>By: michael reynolds</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael reynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How cool is this?

We have needed a new frontier for a long time. Americans kind of suck at stasis and need expansion and challenges and possibilities.  Granted 42 light years is a bit of a haul.  But it's not the thousands of light years it might easily have been.  

The answer to life the universe and everything = 42.  Who knew Douglas Adams meant it literally?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How cool is this?</p>
<p>We have needed a new frontier for a long time. Americans kind of suck at stasis and need expansion and challenges and possibilities.  Granted 42 light years is a bit of a haul.  But it&#8217;s not the thousands of light years it might easily have been.  </p>
<p>The answer to life the universe and everything = 42.  Who knew Douglas Adams meant it literally?</p>
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