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		<title>By: mannning</title>
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		<dc:creator>mannning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 23:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I said "less than knowledgeable governing bodies", but perhaps I should have added deliberately unwise,unjust, imprudent, and intemperate bodies to that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I said &#8220;less than knowledgeable governing bodies&#8221;, but perhaps I should have added deliberately unwise,unjust, imprudent, and intemperate bodies to that.</p>
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		<title>By: mannning</title>
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		<dc:creator>mannning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 23:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>funny man:

It would be rather difficult for me to contrast and compare the relative simplicity, degrees of freedom, and morality of America in 1800, 1900 and 2000, but the social, political, commercial and technological changes are most certainly there for all to see.

Perhaps one of the most telling shifts in the public mind in those 200 years is the attitude towards natural law as it is codified in our Constitution. The great respect formerly paid to the thrust of the Founders to create a God-fearing Republic of the Center between the tyranny of the Left and the anarchy of the Right has deteriorated considerably. Jefferson, Madison, and Franklin would be appalled at the state we have gotten ourselves into as of the end of 2009, I believe. As would Hamilton and Jay, to add a significant Federalist duo. As one person said, parties have become irrelevant, since both of them are forcing us down the wrong path---away from natural law and all that that implies. I think it was Judge Andy Nepolitano that voiced that thought, although several others have signed up to it. The thesis I have seen emerge recently is that our Constitution and the thinking behind it is just as relevant today as it was in 1800 or 1900: it is the diverse people and the less than knowledgeable governing bodies that have moved us away from the original ideas that have made us a great nation; thus, that is at the root of our problems. Yes, we now have a huge and diverse population, but, in itself, that should not change our commitment to the Constitution and the principles behind it, nor should it alter its relevancy in 2010.

What I see is the enormous difficulty in returning the populace to the ideas and directions of the Constitution and its natural law basis, and, as well, the total rejection I and many others have to performing some kind of "loose, legal, non-natural accommodation" to the steadfast natural law principles we originally had, in order to satisfy this or that growing modern constituency that couldn't care less about the Constitution. That is because these various constituencies have not been taught properly about the Constitution in our schools and homes, have been taught to reject it in large measure, or have been brought up in totally different nations and are not even close to understanding the under-girding principles of our nation. Nor do many truly sign up to our laws as being now superior in effect to their own prior laws or lack thereof.

There needs to be a book on this subject!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>funny man:</p>
<p>It would be rather difficult for me to contrast and compare the relative simplicity, degrees of freedom, and morality of America in 1800, 1900 and 2000, but the social, political, commercial and technological changes are most certainly there for all to see.</p>
<p>Perhaps one of the most telling shifts in the public mind in those 200 years is the attitude towards natural law as it is codified in our Constitution. The great respect formerly paid to the thrust of the Founders to create a God-fearing Republic of the Center between the tyranny of the Left and the anarchy of the Right has deteriorated considerably. Jefferson, Madison, and Franklin would be appalled at the state we have gotten ourselves into as of the end of 2009, I believe. As would Hamilton and Jay, to add a significant Federalist duo. As one person said, parties have become irrelevant, since both of them are forcing us down the wrong path&#8212;away from natural law and all that that implies. I think it was Judge Andy Nepolitano that voiced that thought, although several others have signed up to it. The thesis I have seen emerge recently is that our Constitution and the thinking behind it is just as relevant today as it was in 1800 or 1900: it is the diverse people and the less than knowledgeable governing bodies that have moved us away from the original ideas that have made us a great nation; thus, that is at the root of our problems. Yes, we now have a huge and diverse population, but, in itself, that should not change our commitment to the Constitution and the principles behind it, nor should it alter its relevancy in 2010.</p>
<p>What I see is the enormous difficulty in returning the populace to the ideas and directions of the Constitution and its natural law basis, and, as well, the total rejection I and many others have to performing some kind of &#8220;loose, legal, non-natural accommodation&#8221; to the steadfast natural law principles we originally had, in order to satisfy this or that growing modern constituency that couldn&#8217;t care less about the Constitution. That is because these various constituencies have not been taught properly about the Constitution in our schools and homes, have been taught to reject it in large measure, or have been brought up in totally different nations and are not even close to understanding the under-girding principles of our nation. Nor do many truly sign up to our laws as being now superior in effect to their own prior laws or lack thereof.</p>
<p>There needs to be a book on this subject!</p>
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		<title>By: TMLutas</title>
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		<dc:creator>TMLutas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 20:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here's a simple GOP strategy that would work. Every year, let's cut the dumbest stuff. Pick a percentage, 1%, 5%, 10%, it doesn't matter what it is so long as you cut all expenditures below your cut off, cut all regulations below your cutoff. 

With socialism, it's all dumb stuff. It's just artfully hidden and the stupidity emerges over time. When it's become obvious, that program, that regulation, that expenditure just gets cut. It's a program for continuous improvement in government over the nitty gritty of expenditures and regulations. If some bureaucrat passes a dumb rule, the legislature eventually will catch it in its yearly review and cut it. 

Here's a pro-freedom ratchet that the entire GOP coalition can get behind. Here's a program that the left wingers will hate, but will be unable to explain to the broad middle of the country why getting rid of the least effective expenditures, the most destructive regulations, even stupid taxes that are woefully inefficient (some taxes actually cost more to administer than they collect) is a bad idea. 

The strategy can be translated into a legislative program easily. It can be made bipartisan via a BRAC like process to pick off moderate Dems and coopt them onto our side. It's politically salable. What's not to like?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a simple GOP strategy that would work. Every year, let&#8217;s cut the dumbest stuff. Pick a percentage, 1%, 5%, 10%, it doesn&#8217;t matter what it is so long as you cut all expenditures below your cut off, cut all regulations below your cutoff. </p>
<p>With socialism, it&#8217;s all dumb stuff. It&#8217;s just artfully hidden and the stupidity emerges over time. When it&#8217;s become obvious, that program, that regulation, that expenditure just gets cut. It&#8217;s a program for continuous improvement in government over the nitty gritty of expenditures and regulations. If some bureaucrat passes a dumb rule, the legislature eventually will catch it in its yearly review and cut it. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a pro-freedom ratchet that the entire GOP coalition can get behind. Here&#8217;s a program that the left wingers will hate, but will be unable to explain to the broad middle of the country why getting rid of the least effective expenditures, the most destructive regulations, even stupid taxes that are woefully inefficient (some taxes actually cost more to administer than they collect) is a bad idea. </p>
<p>The strategy can be translated into a legislative program easily. It can be made bipartisan via a BRAC like process to pick off moderate Dems and coopt them onto our side. It&#8217;s politically salable. What&#8217;s not to like?</p>
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		<title>By: busboy33</title>
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		<dc:creator>busboy33</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 17:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@funny man:

Looks like you are right -- apparently the caller has pulled this stunt in the past.

Maybe I'm naive.  It was certainly one of the better-acted prank calls I've heard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@funny man:</p>
<p>Looks like you are right &#8212; apparently the caller has pulled this stunt in the past.</p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;m naive.  It was certainly one of the better-acted prank calls I&#8217;ve heard.</p>
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		<title>By: busboy33</title>
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		<dc:creator>busboy33</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 18:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@funny man:

it was a hoax because the caller didn't play the part convincingly, or it was a hoax because there is no way that anybody that crazy and stupid actually exists?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@funny man:</p>
<p>it was a hoax because the caller didn&#8217;t play the part convincingly, or it was a hoax because there is no way that anybody that crazy and stupid actually exists?</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 16:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You and I could not be more different in some key ideological respects, but I agree with you absolutely, Rick.

I would like to make a modest suggestion for the New Year.  Because I cannot imagine that the Republican Party and what remains of the conservative movement can do much more to emasculate itself (altho the JBS sponsorship is a nice touch), might you from time to time bring us word of worthy efforts to resuscitate the party and movement as they occur?  Which I hope they will.

And may you and your saner commenters have a great holiday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You and I could not be more different in some key ideological respects, but I agree with you absolutely, Rick.</p>
<p>I would like to make a modest suggestion for the New Year.  Because I cannot imagine that the Republican Party and what remains of the conservative movement can do much more to emasculate itself (altho the JBS sponsorship is a nice touch), might you from time to time bring us word of worthy efforts to resuscitate the party and movement as they occur?  Which I hope they will.</p>
<p>And may you and your saner commenters have a great holiday.</p>
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		<title>By: funny man</title>
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		<dc:creator>funny man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 15:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Manning,

I would disagree with you with your assessment 'all was well before 1955' (actually you didn't say that). Just think of Teddy Roosevelt breaking up the monopolies, the Wall Street cesspool before the crash in 29, Jim Crow etc. Every time has their challenges.

Busboy:
that caller was a hoax. Come on..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Manning,</p>
<p>I would disagree with you with your assessment &#8216;all was well before 1955&#8242; (actually you didn&#8217;t say that). Just think of Teddy Roosevelt breaking up the monopolies, the Wall Street cesspool before the crash in 29, Jim Crow etc. Every time has their challenges.</p>
<p>Busboy:<br />
that caller was a hoax. Come on..</p>
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		<title>By: busboy33</title>
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		<dc:creator>busboy33</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 14:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"But it is grotesque, deformed thinking to wish for another human being to die for political gain. And not seeing that is a reflection not so much of Bob Owens, but of the casual, anti-reason, anti-rational thinking that has gripped the Republican party and made it an irrelevancy."

http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/12/tea-partier-calls-c-span-worried-his-prayers-for-byrd-to-die-got-inhofe-instead.php?ref=fpblg

I never understood the "God as Santa Claus" concept, but I find the comments more interesting.  TPM is a pretty left site, and even there the commenters are split about whether the caller was genuine of a hoax.  IMO, the caller's anguish seemed genuine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But it is grotesque, deformed thinking to wish for another human being to die for political gain. And not seeing that is a reflection not so much of Bob Owens, but of the casual, anti-reason, anti-rational thinking that has gripped the Republican party and made it an irrelevancy.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/12/tea-partier-calls-c-span-worried-his-prayers-for-byrd-to-die-got-inhofe-instead.php?ref=fpblg" rel="nofollow">http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/12/tea-partier-calls-c-span-worried-his-prayers-for-byrd-to-die-got-inhofe-instead.php?ref=fpblg</a></p>
<p>I never understood the &#8220;God as Santa Claus&#8221; concept, but I find the comments more interesting.  TPM is a pretty left site, and even there the commenters are split about whether the caller was genuine of a hoax.  IMO, the caller&#8217;s anguish seemed genuine.</p>
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		<title>By: cedarhill</title>
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		<dc:creator>cedarhill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 14:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of strategery.  Consider the timing of these items:
1. Bush tax cutes expire after the 2010 election and before the 2012 elections.
2. Stimulus bill of 2008 targeting 2/3rds of money to be spent in 2010 which will give a boost to the economy.
3. Nationalized health care not to really kick in until after the 2012 election.
and the list goes on and on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of strategery.  Consider the timing of these items:<br />
1. Bush tax cutes expire after the 2010 election and before the 2012 elections.<br />
2. Stimulus bill of 2008 targeting 2/3rds of money to be spent in 2010 which will give a boost to the economy.<br />
3. Nationalized health care not to really kick in until after the 2012 election.<br />
and the list goes on and on.</p>
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		<title>By: cedarhill</title>
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		<dc:creator>cedarhill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 14:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark Steyn, in fewer words, summed it all up with the Democrats think "strategic" while the Republicans think "tactics".  'Tis why the war has been lost.  Unless the GOP undergoes a fundamental change of approach we're seeing the final endgame of the FDR strategy. The Long March is about over. If you have time this holiday season, give thanks for the freedoms you've enjoyed. The socialist will not make many mistakes in consolidating the battlespace and, yes, they'll be back after 2010 or even 2012.  It's the strategery thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark Steyn, in fewer words, summed it all up with the Democrats think &#8220;strategic&#8221; while the Republicans think &#8220;tactics&#8221;.  &#8216;Tis why the war has been lost.  Unless the GOP undergoes a fundamental change of approach we&#8217;re seeing the final endgame of the FDR strategy. The Long March is about over. If you have time this holiday season, give thanks for the freedoms you&#8217;ve enjoyed. The socialist will not make many mistakes in consolidating the battlespace and, yes, they&#8217;ll be back after 2010 or even 2012.  It&#8217;s the strategery thing.</p>
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