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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 20:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It remains to be seen whether the bill that emerges is the worst of your lifetime.  The Interstate Highway Defense Act is pretty hard to beat.  Was that within your lifetime?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It remains to be seen whether the bill that emerges is the worst of your lifetime.  The Interstate Highway Defense Act is pretty hard to beat.  Was that within your lifetime?</p>
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		<title>By: JHTRazor</title>
		<link>http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2009/12/24/the-worst-piece-of-legislation-in-my-lifetime/comment-page-1/#comment-1767905</link>
		<dc:creator>JHTRazor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 05:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This so called 'health care reform' looks like it is going to create far more problems then it fixes.  Premiums are almost certainly going to go up, the only question is how much.

The combination of $750 fine for not having health insurance, and removal of preexising conditions, is simply going to lead to large numbers of healthy, young people opting out and paying their fine, and then getting insurance once they're sick.  That will drive up the cost to insurance companies, which will be passed on to us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This so called &#8216;health care reform&#8217; looks like it is going to create far more problems then it fixes.  Premiums are almost certainly going to go up, the only question is how much.</p>
<p>The combination of $750 fine for not having health insurance, and removal of preexising conditions, is simply going to lead to large numbers of healthy, young people opting out and paying their fine, and then getting insurance once they&#8217;re sick.  That will drive up the cost to insurance companies, which will be passed on to us.</p>
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		<title>By: Maggie's Farm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maggie's Farm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 01:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;A few Sunday evening links...&lt;/strong&gt;



Give Me Liberty or Give Me Social Justice
Gifts that abide. Vandeleun
We've been in a lost decade for stocks
A concise summary of Climate Change. Powerline 
Jobless Decade May Loom 
Animal Welfare Victories Prompt Farmers' PR Moves 
A "fri...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>A few Sunday evening links&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Give Me Liberty or Give Me Social Justice<br />
Gifts that abide. Vandeleun<br />
We&#8217;ve been in a lost decade for stocks<br />
A concise summary of Climate Change. Powerline<br />
Jobless Decade May Loom<br />
Animal Welfare Victories Prompt Farmers&#8217; PR Moves<br />
A &#8220;fri&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 23:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The gop had no intention of ever supporting healthcare, no matter what was in it.Everyone knew that from the get-go."It's horrible" Limbaugh said on his radio that the bill was fascism, and would destroy the nation.The gop could care less about people going without healthcare.Their about bloodlust for attacking some other country thats wronged us.No Senator DeMint, this isn't Obama's Waterloo, its you and your party. Good riddance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The gop had no intention of ever supporting healthcare, no matter what was in it.Everyone knew that from the get-go.&#8221;It&#8217;s horrible&#8221; Limbaugh said on his radio that the bill was fascism, and would destroy the nation.The gop could care less about people going without healthcare.Their about bloodlust for attacking some other country thats wronged us.No Senator DeMint, this isn&#8217;t Obama&#8217;s Waterloo, its you and your party. Good riddance.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenneth Almquist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenneth Almquist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 06:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Michael Renolds points out, the CMS report discusses the House version of the bill.  Moran misrepresents the report in other ways as well.

Moran:  "[CMS says] that premiums will go up drastically [under the bill.]"

I read the report and couldn't find any such claim.

Moran:  "the bill won’t do anything to reduce the cost of health care."

The report states, "For fiscal years 2010 through 2019, we estimate a relatively small reduction in non-Medicare Federal health care expenditures of $2.1 billion, all of which is associated with the comparative effectiveness research provision."  There are a variety of ideas about how to reduce the rate at which health care costs are growing, but the only way to know which ones will work is to try them and see.  That's what the bill does.

Moran:  "the quality of care will go down."

The only discussion of quality of care I spotted in the report is a brief mention in the section on costs:  "There is no consensus...that prevention and wellness efforts result in lower costs.  Several prominent studies conclude that such provisions--while improving the quality of individuals' lives in important ways--generally increase costs overall."

Moran:  "As far as coverage, that same CMS report figures a net increase of 3 million Americans who will be insured."

To the contrary, the report states, "By calendar year 2019, the individual mandate, Medicaid expansion, and other provisions are estimated to reduce the number of uninsured from 57 million under current law to 23 million under H.R. 3962."  That's a net increase of 34 million people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Michael Renolds points out, the CMS report discusses the House version of the bill.  Moran misrepresents the report in other ways as well.</p>
<p>Moran:  &#8220;[CMS says] that premiums will go up drastically [under the bill.]&#8221;</p>
<p>I read the report and couldn&#8217;t find any such claim.</p>
<p>Moran:  &#8220;the bill won’t do anything to reduce the cost of health care.&#8221;</p>
<p>The report states, &#8220;For fiscal years 2010 through 2019, we estimate a relatively small reduction in non-Medicare Federal health care expenditures of $2.1 billion, all of which is associated with the comparative effectiveness research provision.&#8221;  There are a variety of ideas about how to reduce the rate at which health care costs are growing, but the only way to know which ones will work is to try them and see.  That&#8217;s what the bill does.</p>
<p>Moran:  &#8220;the quality of care will go down.&#8221;</p>
<p>The only discussion of quality of care I spotted in the report is a brief mention in the section on costs:  &#8220;There is no consensus&#8230;that prevention and wellness efforts result in lower costs.  Several prominent studies conclude that such provisions&#8211;while improving the quality of individuals&#8217; lives in important ways&#8211;generally increase costs overall.&#8221;</p>
<p>Moran:  &#8220;As far as coverage, that same CMS report figures a net increase of 3 million Americans who will be insured.&#8221;</p>
<p>To the contrary, the report states, &#8220;By calendar year 2019, the individual mandate, Medicaid expansion, and other provisions are estimated to reduce the number of uninsured from 57 million under current law to 23 million under H.R. 3962.&#8221;  That&#8217;s a net increase of 34 million people.</p>
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		<title>By: UNRR</title>
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		<dc:creator>UNRR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 13:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post has been linked for the HOT5 Daily 12/26/2009, at &lt;a href="http://unreligiousright.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;The Unreligious Right&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post has been linked for the HOT5 Daily 12/26/2009, at <a href="http://unreligiousright.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">The Unreligious Right</a></p>
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		<title>By: michael reynolds</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael reynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 20:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We should form anew political party and call it the "Good Enough Party."  I'd be thrilled at a nice long period of good enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We should form anew political party and call it the &#8220;Good Enough Party.&#8221;  I&#8217;d be thrilled at a nice long period of good enough.</p>
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		<title>By: busboy33</title>
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		<dc:creator>busboy33</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 17:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"the perfect is the enemy of the good."

Amen and Amen again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the perfect is the enemy of the good.&#8221;</p>
<p>Amen and Amen again.</p>
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		<title>By: bboot</title>
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		<dc:creator>bboot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 11:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting range of opinion here. I sort of take Rick's comments in the same way I take Susan Collins or Olympia Snow; waiting for something better that will never come. In this case the perfect is the enemy of the good. Resisters come in all flavors--the hysterical, like McConnell, to the wistful, like Collins and Snow. But at the end of the day the issue comes to simple resistance to change; Republicans, again, represent staying where we are no matter how bad as opposed to exploring alternatives no matter now promising. What is interesting to me, being from Vermont, is that the same political dynamic can occur on the left as progressives resist change in the name of protecting the environment and education with the result, not unlike the Republicans in DC, of rising costs, declining services, and an unattractive business environment--loss of jobs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting range of opinion here. I sort of take Rick&#8217;s comments in the same way I take Susan Collins or Olympia Snow; waiting for something better that will never come. In this case the perfect is the enemy of the good. Resisters come in all flavors&#8211;the hysterical, like McConnell, to the wistful, like Collins and Snow. But at the end of the day the issue comes to simple resistance to change; Republicans, again, represent staying where we are no matter how bad as opposed to exploring alternatives no matter now promising. What is interesting to me, being from Vermont, is that the same political dynamic can occur on the left as progressives resist change in the name of protecting the environment and education with the result, not unlike the Republicans in DC, of rising costs, declining services, and an unattractive business environment&#8211;loss of jobs.</p>
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