As to rape victims and those who are run down in the streets, its not particularly relevant to the subject but of course they should not just shut up. The important thing is to punish the actual party or parties who are guilty of the crime.

If someone “returns” to racist themes, I think it is a safe assumption the American people will reject them. In the case of some you accuse of a “return”, we may be witnessing a push back of sorts. People who aren’t racists do not particularly like being accused of it.

“Because the real victim is the poor, beleagured white man who is made to feel bad. I feel so sorry for you.” You keep assuming I’m a white man. I never asked for your pity but I do feel bad for the American people, all of them of all races, colors, and hues. They are the real victims here.

Every time ANYONE suffers because of racism it is terrible. We can’t excuse it against one group while condoning it against another group. While there clearly remains much work to do, I think most Americans recognize this.

And there you go, right back to square one:

Now as far as race charlatans go, I think there are a number of them of all colors, hues, and nationalities. I’m thinking Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton, however, maybe not. I think there are a number of them who Hispanic, Japanese, and all other groups but again perhaps not. In any event all of it needs to be opposed.

Yeah, the problem is Jesse Jackson. Not 300 years of vicious white racism. Not the current conservative return to to those same racist themes. No, the problem is Jesse Jackson.

Also Elie Wiesel, another race hustler I assume. And rape victims, why don’t they just shut up? And people who get run down in the streets, why don’t they just get over it?

Because the real victim is the poor, beleaguered white man who is made to feel bad. I feel so sorry for you.

You write about still more things that everyone knows about and attempt to say that it is “bull Sh*t” when I point this out to you. In any event, keep reminding everyone. In case we should all forget to teach these things.

Now as far as race charlatans go, I think there are a number of them of all colors, hues, and nationalities. I’m thinking Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton, however, maybe not. I think there are a number of them who Hispanic, Japanese, and all other groups but again perhaps not. In any event all of it needs to be opposed.

I never tried to position myself as a victim in any way. Also, I never said I was “Arayan” either. If by “my side” you mean Republican, I detest the Republican party. I find most of it repugnant.

You write a throw-away grace note about the first black president and the very first comment includes yet another angry white guy spouting barely-disguised racist nonsense. And you’re shocked, shocked when the conversation is hijacked.

Apples are delicious!

Since I don’t think race plays a big role or any role for that matter for the average person, I’m tired of America being accused of being a racist nation.

Bullshit. Not a tenth of Americans even know about Japanese internment let alone a slaughter in the Philippines. In fact, I doubt the average American knows there was a Mexican-American war or a Spanish-American war.

But translating your point into German: “Ve all know about ze holocaust, let us forget about it. Ve must move on. After all, ze Nazis are not at you door, are zey?”

The rule seems to be that history — the Founders, D-Day, 9-11 — are all vitally important parts of our national life and form our national character.

But history — Wounded Knee, Fort Pillow, the Tulsa race riot — are best forgotten.

Shall we set aside Bunker Hill and Belleau Woods and John Paul Jones as irrelevant? Shall we forget Paul Revere and Leyte Gulf and Inchon? I’m going to guess your answer will be “No.”

It seems to me you want a 4th grader’s version of history. Include the good stuff, exclude the bad stuff. Doesn’t work. That’s not history, it’s mythology. If you’re a German you have to own Auschwitz if you’re going to claim Schiller. If you’re Japanese you have to own Nanking you can’t just cry for Hiroshima. And if you’re an American you have to own our past — all of it. All of it or none of it.

While we should never forget, little is accomplished by continuing to flog Aemricans over this. After all, we don’t flog Germans, we shouldn’t treat Americans any differently.

When I say race does not play a big role for the average person, I’m talking about today, right now. While there remains much work to do, we’ve come a long way and credit should be given where it is due.

Oh, we flog the Germans, my friend. I’m a Jew and believe me, we don’t forget. Any more than a black man forgets this country’s history or an Armenian forgets what Turkey did, or a Cambodian forgets the Khmer Rouge. The victims always remember. And the people who profited always want to forget. I’m sure Bernie Madoff would like that kind of deal: let’s all just move on. . .

This country was built in part by taking things away from other people solely on the basis of race. And today the Congress is what, 95% white? And the GOP contingent of course is 100% white. History has a lasting effect — it doesn’t just evaporate. We are all the products of our history. There’s no magic blade that comes down and suddenly frees us from the legacy of the past.

But that is particularly the case when current individuals and institutions deliberately and maliciously carry forward the crimes of the past. Rush Limbaugh — to pick an easy target — is a race-baiting goon following in the footsteps of 300 years of racist goons. It’s not 100 years ago, or 50 years ago, it’s right now, today, here, all around us.

You aren’t the guy who gets to decide that the past is over and done. Not when your side is still singing the same old song but in a minor key. And when you try to turn the issue around to position yourself as the victim — as you very definitely did in your first comment — believe me when I say that black people, Jews and others with a history of being on the shit-end of the Aryan stick, know exactly what’s going on.

You’ve just repeated things and interprations of history that everyone over the age of six is very well familar with and largely accepted by all. The media and our education system have made certain of that. The truth is slavery of all forms is evil and should be opposed.

The one thing I was not familar with was how your family was directly affected. It is true that some on both sides continue to traffic in racism. It seems to be so profitable. Most of us want to learn from our mistakes and move forward.

“But you’re sick of the truth. Waah. Poor baby.” I’m not sick of the truth nor am I crying, however, you seem to be rather bitter. America is very much a work in progress as are all countries. We are trying to correct prior mistakes and it is counter productive to continue flogging someone over past sins that they are trying to make amends for.

I’m not necessarily opposed to reparations nor am I opposed to some type of penalties on Lloyds of London. I’m not sure as to the mechanism of how this would be done though. Also, there will need to be a more concerted effort by all those involved to end slavery every where it is currently being practiced. All slavery is bad and should be opposed every where.

All racism should end to. The fact that another person did it to does not matter.

I suspect if neo nazis or ku klux klans persones of today tried to enter a major American city Americans would act the smae way the Germans did. I applaud them. They deserve credit. Americans do as well. If we don’t learn from the past, we are doomed to repeat it. As such, it is a good thing every American over the age of six knows every thing you posted. Please continue to remind everyone in case the media or public education should ever forget to tell us.

While we should never forget, little is accomplished by continuing to flog Aemricans over this. After all, we don’t flog Germans, we shouldn’t treat Americans any differently.

When I say race does not play a big role for the average person, I’m talking about today, right now. While there remains much work to do, we’ve come a long way and credit should be given where it is due.

I wonder how many of these neo nazis who tried to enter Dresden got killed. If KKK officials or neo nazis tried a public demonstration here, I suspect they would not last very long without police protection. Its that free speech thing that would probably mean they get police protection.

Since I don’t think race plays a big role or any role for that matter for the average person, I’m tired of America being accused of being a racist nation.

A brief history of race in the United States:

- The US enslaved Africans and instituted one of the harshest forms of slavery ever known, including not only widespread torture, rape and murder, but the frequent breaking up of families, the sale of children, and the forbidding of education. Our slavery included an element of racial contempt not present in most previous systems of slavery.

- The wholesale massacre and ethnic cleansing of Native Americans. This was America’s longest war. It included the deliberate and calculated slaughter of children, widespread rape and even biological warfare.

- The theft by force of arms of half of Mexico — carried out deliberately in such a way as to take the most valuable land while excluding the “inferior” mixed race Mexican population.

- The bait an switch over Cuba. They were “freedom fighters” resisting the evil Spaniard until we got to Cuba and discovered they were black. Our liberation turned into occupation.

- An even more appalling bait and switch in the Philippines where we evicted the Spaniards and promptly began the deliberate, calculated wholesale rape and murder of the Philippino people on explicitly racial grounds.

- The institution of Jim Crow laws that denied the vote to blacks, sentenced them to second class status, and turned a blind eye to regular acts of murder through lynching.

- The interning of Japanese-Americans during WW2 despite the fact that German-Americans were left alone.

- The conducting of medical experiments on un-informed African-Americans, including deliberate infection with syphilis.

- Within my lifetime we denied voting rights and basic civil rights to African-Americans. My family was personally threatened by the Klan for having blacks in our house in Florida. Not a million years ago and far, far away: in my lifetime.

- Today the Right continues to race-bait, to circulate overtly racist emails, to employ dog whistle racist messaging for the GOP and the tea party movement.

But you’re sick of hearing about it. Too damned bad. History doesn’t just evaporate.

Today in Dresden 6,500 neo-Nazis were stopped from entering the center city by 10,000 decent Germans — Germans who don’t deny their past, who aren’t “sick of hearing” about their past but step up like men to acknowledge the truth and who vow to stop it from happening again.

But you, you’re sick of the truth. Waaah. Poor baby.

The other option is for the country to declare bankruptcy and begin negotiations with the creditors. At this point, it may be possible to negotiate settlements with the major creditors while maintaining some level of dignity.

I suspect the American government maintains control of much valuable property. Perhaps this property could be sold and the proceeds used to pay off the creditors. This along with Mr. Ryan’s plan or something like it and we might just be able to pay off the national debt and avoid bankruptcy. In any event, this plan is a step in the right direction. Kudos to Mr. Ryan for bringing it up.