This piece on McCain by Aravosis may be the most inelegant political attack I’ve ever seen. Not only is it a vile, worthless, mindlessly idiotic recounting of this Peeping Tom’s idea of McCain’s military service but the obliviousness of Aravosis to the upchucking irony in his calling anyone out for making propaganda is outrageously, hysterically inappropriate.
Yes, we all know that John McCain was captured and tortured in Vietnam (McCain won’t let you forget). A lot of people don’t know, however, that McCain made a propaganda video for the enemy while he was in captivity. Putting that bit of disloyalty aside, what exactly is McCain’s military experience that prepares him for being commander in chief? It’s not like McCain rose to the level of general or something. He’s a vet. We get it. But simply being a vet, as laudable as it is, doesn’t really tell you much about someone’s qualifications for being commander in chief. If McCain is going to play the “I was tortured” card every five minutes as a justification for electing him president, then he shouldn’t throw a hissy fit any time any one asks to know more about his military experience. Getting shot down, tortured, and then doing propaganda for the enemy is not command experience. Again, it’s not nice to say say, but we’re not running for class president here. We deserve real answers, not emotional outbursts designed to quell the questions.
First, let’s “quell a question” shall we?
QUESTION: Why did John McCain make a propaganda film for the enemy?
ANSWER: Because if you didn’t, the enemy would torture you until you died.
Those “agrarian reformers” and “peace loving socialists” that Aravosis’ ideological brethren were calling the the North Vietnamese back then were not very nice people. Every single prisoner who fell into their hands endured unspeakable degradation and torture until they cooperated. Aravosis makes it sound as if giving in to pain is a character defect. He cannot imagine in his safe little world – a world that allows him to peep into Republican bedroom windows to catch his political foes in a homosexual act and then out them against their will – the kind of mind numbing, excruciating, pain that causes grown men to cry like children and call out for their mother.
Aravosis also fails to mention that the Army revised their policy after Viet Nam from one that required an American prisoner only to give their name, rank, and serial number to one that required our men to “resist to the best of their ability” enemy attempts to use them as propaganda.
This from a 1991 NY Times article on Americans who were captured by Iraqis during the Gulf War:
In light of a major shift in what is expected of Americans who become prisoners of war, the appearance on Iraqi television of captured American pilots can be seen as part of a ploy to survive rather than a break in discipline, military psychiatrists say.In a major change, the military code of conduct that once required those captured give only name, rank and serial number now simply requires them to resist cooperating with the enemy “to the best of their ability.”
“The operative principle is that you do what you’ve got to do in order to survive,” said Dr. Michael Wise, who was an Air Force psychiatrist for 21 years.
The new attitude toward prisoners of war who cooperate with their captors results from findings by military researchers that virtually all American servicemen captured by the North Vietnamese broke under pressure from their captors, military psychiatrists say.
“The few who tried to resist totally, from what we know, did not survive captivity,” said Dr. Robert Rahe, now a psychiatrist at the University of Nevada at Reno and former head of the Navy’s Center for P.O.W. Studies in San Diego. “Nobody can be John Wayne. They can always find a torture so grave you’ll confess to something.”
(emphasis mine and fu*k you John Aravosis).
The idea that McCain, who by all accounts, resisted the attempts of his captors to use him as a propaganda weapon despite a list of physical injuries that would have killed Aravosis and most normal men, somehow betrayed the country by finally reaching his physical and psychological limit of deliberately induced pain and succumbing is so despicable only someone fully versed in the politics of metaphorically sneaking into the bedrooms of opponents to spy on them could write it.
Over the years, Aravosis has frequently partnered with another homosexual slime merchant named Michael Rodgers who sees it as his mission in life to dig into the private lives of not only Republican lawmakers, but also members of their staffs and the staffs of committees. And then, against their will for the most part, this dynamic duo of sleaze “outs” the unfortunates.
Why? Because they don’t agree with his political agenda for homosexuals! Or if they do, they continue to work for a Member of Congress who doesn’t.
This kind of thing used to be done in dark alleys stinking of urine with the delivery by some ex-con of a manila envelope containing some grainy photographs of naked men cavorting in bed, snapped by a peeping tom through the window of some no-tell motel.
Now its done by men of similar low character – people like Rodgers and Aravosis – who lack the animating spirit of human decency and prey upon vulnerable men by threatening them with exposure if they don’t change their political views or leave their job and career.
And this toad Aravosis is actually criticizing McCain for making a propaganda film? Even the meager and irrelevant point he tries to make – that McCain makes a big deal of the fact he was tortured “every five minutes” – is an out and out lie. McCain makes rare and elliptical references to that time in his life, properly allowing the listener to recall the well known details on their own.
And, of course, McCain is not touting his time in a prison camp or even his military service as proof of his experience to be Commander in Chief. Nearly a quarter of a century at the center of every major domestic debate over defense and foreign policy more than qualifies John McCain to serve as CIC. Contrast that with Obama’s laughable attempt to equate living in Indonesia as a 7 year old with McCain’s wealth and depth of experience in foreign and defense policies and you have the reason this walking chunk of undigested gristle is sliming the Arizona Senator’s service as a POW. It’s the only way to deflect attention from his candidate’s less than amateur credentials for being CIC.
Recall that McCain refused the ultimate in special treatment; an offer by his captors for early release due to the fact his father was an admiral. Would Aravosis have had the courage to do what McCain did and refuse to go home without every prisoner captured before him also went home? Doubtful. All the more reason to point the finger at Aravosis and expose him for the low life scum he truly is.
10:27 am
Yes, we all know that John McCain was captured and tortured in Vietnam (McCain won’t let you forget). A lot of people don’t know, however, that McCain made a propaganda video for the enemy while he was in captivity. Putting that bit of disloyalty aside, what exactly is McCain’s military experience that prepares him for being commander in chief? It’s not like McCain rose to the level of general or something. He’s a vet. We get it. But simply being a vet, as laudable as it is, doesn’t really tell you much about someone’s qualifications for being commander in chief. If McCain is going to play the “I was tortured” card every five minutes as a justification for electing him president, then he shouldn’t throw a hissy fit any time any one asks to know more about his military experience. Getting shot down, tortured, and then doing propaganda for the enemy is not command experience. Again, it’s not nice to say say, but we’re not running for class president here. We deserve real answers, not emotional outbursts designed to quell the questions.
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Two words: JOHN KERRY
10:31 am
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10:55 am
Wow. Sounds like John Aravosis has got you on the defensive.
Meanwhile, Wesley Clark makes a good point. Getting shot down is not executive experience. Which is ok, I guess, but it would be better if 1) McCain’s supporters didn’t make so much noise about his supposed greater experience, and 2) if McCain didn’t display such ignorance about basic policy matters (such as the economy and Shiite vs Sunni).
Finally, if Republicans want to put Aravosis out of business, here’s a tip: stop sucking cock while making life hell for all the other gays.
I will repeat it very slowly so anyone – even someone who is developmentally challenged like you – can understand.
McCain’s time in the military is only a small part of his “experience” to be CIC. It is the fact that he has studied and debated the issues vital to this country’s existence for 25 years on the national stage that matters.
Try another straw man. Clark does not have a leg to stand on. And as for Aravosis having me on the defensive, you’re kidding right? I mean, that comment was an attempt at humor, yes?
ed.
11:22 am
Using Obama’s standard, does this make Wes Clark large and/or brave ?
Now, let’s try a juxtaposition of Obama for McCain. Ouch.
11:23 am
Again, those on the right miss the point – probably because it involves thinking. McSame was shot down FIVE times – FIVE TIMES. Two of the planes he stole from the Navy – you heard me – HE STOLE THEM FROM THE NAVY
!! Then he crashed them. You may not know this either – because your preferred version of the news comes from limbaugh (that warrior who you support and listen to, he never served either, except in Viagra induced underage girls videos) – but McSame also made propoganda films for the vietcong to use against the US. Does that sound remotely like someone who ‘deserves’ the WH? Of course it doesn’t. Besides stealing, then crashing planes McSame has no – NO - experience in any endeavor which requires management. He even had to leave his first wife – ON HER DEATHBED - so he could flock with a younger beer lady. Does that sound like the character you want in your WH? of course it doesn’t.
Face it: McSame is the choice of the nutjobs and the MSM. He has flipped so many times on major issues, he should get a back brace – or maybe we should. Please look beyond the pundits opinions of McSame and think for yourself. I know it is hard to do that, but please try. The progressives know you have been pushed down by Bush for so long, you are probably scared to look out your windows. Your country needs you right now to think and do some research on the candidates. Please don’t just fall inline again because you are frightened and scared. Try to find your courage and let your children see that courage – for they are watching you.
1. Do you realize that your charges about the 5 planes being shot down (he was shot down twice according to the Navy – are they lying too?), about stealing them, about leaving his first wife (who is still alive) on her “deathbed – all of these smears and lies come from A CONSERVATIVE WEBSITE?
2. Jesus are you gullible. Do you believe everything you read on the internet? If so, I’ve got some great “Vince Foster was murdered” theories for you.
ed.
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12:42 pm
Negative attacks have been found to be a very successful strategy in American politics. When honestly applied, negativity is integral and natural to the healthy debate process. Negativity can be used to contrast differences between candidates, address specific shortcomings and reassure the loyal.
Unfortunately, the strategy of negative attacks has been perverted to include smear campaigns, ad hominem attacks and straw man fallacies, all intended to
demonize rather than to contrast or illuminate. Hit men like John Aravosis are ineffective on their own – offering no substantial dialogue. They rely on others to join the chorus; it is their combined voices that bring a certain amount of credibility to what is no more than an ugly smear.
Of course there is a downside to this strategy. While it may help galvanize the loyal; it is often seen as propaganda that turns undecided and independent voters to apathy and antipathy towards the election process and our political institutions.
The Obama people are playing to this end. They know that as things stand, their base will come out in mass at the voting booths. McCain lacks a solid base and even if 60% of Americans prefer him, only a percentage of those will actually vote. Expect to see a lot more of this “Aravosis” ugliness as evidenced by some of the new websites devoted entirely to this end (I won’t mention them by name or link them).
I am passionately against McCain’s candidacy but still acknowledge and respect that he is a true American war hero. I cannot imagine the terrible horror and suffering that he must have gone through in service of this country and to be sure, very few of us could have survived the ordeal.
This election is by far the most important in my lifetime. America is at a critical crossroad. This is a time for serious debate, we have no time for Aravosis and his ilk.
12:56 pm
Hopefully Mav is learning a lesson here though that may be too much to ask. Does he regret now giving cover to those who would overlook Kerry’s actual record of treason and cowardice? Did he think a general media reverence for matters military would survive him becoming the Rep candidate? It is hilarious though, to see the anti-Americans, so lately gasping that Kerry’s weeks in Viet Nam pretending to be Rambo were the greatest heroics in US history now having to rubbish true heroics. Is half the country truly this depraved? These Leftwing scum will leave no lie left unspoken.
1:09 pm
The Thunder Run has linked to this post in the – Web Reconnaissance for 06/30/2008 A short recon of what’s out there that might draw your attention, updated throughout the day…so check back often.
2:16 pm
Quick,
Lets all forget how the rightwing blogosphere, and particularly the subhuman rat named Michelle Malkin, treated those captured by terrorists who made anything like a “propaganda” video with knives at their throats.
Cause “everybody breaks” only when they are on our side – when they are even suspect lefties then we expect them to have their heads sawed off while singing the Star Spangled Banner or we call them traitors.
I don’t think Malkin was in on the Jill Carroll travesty. Debbie Schlussel led the charge there.
And btw, there were many bloggers on the right who did not criticize Carroll. You are incorrect in issuing a blanket condemnation like that.
You are correct, though. Those who criticized Carroll don’t have a leg to stand on here.
ed.
2:33 pm
Clark is despicable to besmerch the charactor of man who spent five years in a POW camp. John at least actually earned his medals which we know Clark and Kerry didn’t. I’m not a raving McCain fan but am greatful men like him serve our country unfortunately, their sacrifices protects the freedom of speech for all people including Clark and Hussein Obama. Besides there’s bigger problems facing us like the hit the brothels in Nevada are taking because of the economy, business is down 15% what’s a john/whore to do?????
3:12 pm
beyond excrement… as if we couldn’t see it coming. this mind you is only the beginning. the smears will start coming out of the woodwork, as we have seen, the smear is made, obama says lightly i disagree with that (e.g., petraus-betrayus?), but the damage has already been done by the time it is corrected.
as to wesley clark, even if mccain’s vietnam stint so calledly doesn’t count, what about him being in charge of a fighter squadron, and 25 + years in congress and the senate, friggin rube… he is already under the obama bus, to come back to his cabinet after he wins…
3:29 pm
With all due respect, Jill Carroll speaking glowingly of her captors after her release, and after a few months doesn’t even compare with 5 years as a POW. That’s like comparing McCain’s resume with Obama’s.
“After a few months?” Link and quote please. As closely as I follow the news, I’ve never heard Carroll utter a word about her captors except to say in an interview with the CSM after her release that her “glowing words” were given first with a gun to her head and then in the presence of sympathizers with her captors before she was released to American custody.
Sounds like you are repeating a rumor you heard somewhere. Carroll – whose politics are completely irrelevant to the fact that her captors were going to kill her because she’s an American – covered the war in Iraq as few journalists before her or since. I found her reports (and so did the army) fair, impartial, and gripping. Whether she sympathizes with Muslims or not is beside the point. If she did, it didn’t help her with her captors.
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3:49 pm
The answer to your rhetorical question is “yes.”
I’m not going to vote for McCain. But McCain is a hero. A mensch. A man you’d want your son to grow up to be.
That having been said, there’s nothing here that wasn’t done to John Kerry. What goes around . . .
So, I’ll amend my first line and say yes, Aravosis is as big a piece of sh*t as the Swift Boaters who went after Kerry.
5:30 pm
Did Hanoi Jane (D) and Hanoi John Kerry (D) physically assist the communist in torturing McCain or did they just provide moral support?
Some people seem to forget that the Swift Boat Vet’s proved their charges against Hanoi John (traitor) Kerry court house and jury proof. Why would the multi million dollars worth of lawyers hired by Hanoi John, with Momma T’s money, drop their lawsuits if they weren’t sure losers. A wino could have defended the Vet’s in court. Only one question would have been required. How did someone not in the military, or any other position, including POTUS, order Hanoi John into Cambodia for Christmas?
All of his tales were war stories vs fairy tales. A war story starts ‘now this ain’t no ****’ and a fairy tale starts ‘once upon a time’.
6:19 pm
John at least actually earned his medals which we know Clark and Kerry didnt.
Out of curiosity, do you have a link that calls into suspicion Clark’s purple heart and silver star?
6:20 pm
Clark is Vietnam veteran and a general who run the most successful military campaign ever. What factual grounds do you have for besmirching his character? Which, BTW he did not to McCain. He only said that getting shot down says nothing about your executive qualifications. What he said was politically dumb, but not inaccurate.
6:45 pm
[...] Rick Moran rips him apart! This kind of thing used to be done in dark alleys stinking of urine with the delivery by some ex-con of a manila envelope containing some grainy photographs of naked men cavorting in bed, snapped by a peeping tom through the window of some no-tell motel. [...]
11:13 pm
This whole thing is just not going over well with the VFW crowd.
Once again, Wes Clark is showing once again that he doesn’t know when to stop, like Pristina, when he risked World War III.
Meanwhile, even those who thought that McCain wasn’t the best choice for Republican nominee have been galvanized into supporting McCain.
1:46 am
Well the Rogers and Aravosis strange bedfellows were linked up during the Foley mess to Bill Burton as their go between to the Dem party.
The same Bill Burton is now on the Obama campaign staff.
Nothing to see here move along.
Idiots like these don’t have the no coordination restrictions of 527s.
9:48 am
John Aravosis is correct, just being a “vet” does not qualify you to be President.
And Wesley Clark is correct, just riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down, does not qualify you to be President of the United States.
Those two facts, do not qualify John McCain to be President of the United States; that’s just a sad fact.
However, I can tell you what SHOULD, DISQUALIFY you from being President of the United States:
Someone who is an Anti-American/Anti-White/Anti-Semitic/Pro-Jihadi Leftist Democratic Traitor Nutbag Racist Marxist-Muslim practicing “Taqiyah”; who’s grandfather was a Communist sympathizer; who’s mother studied the Communist Manifesto in High School; who was mentored by a Racist Anti-American Communist Frank Davis, who has hung out with Anti-American/Pro-Jihadi Palestinian enemies of the United States since college, who hung out in a Racist Anti-White/Anti-Semitic “Church” for 20 years, who is married to an Anti-White Racist woman; someone who’s every friend and acquaintance for the past 30 years, has either been an Anti-American Hate-America-First Leftist Nutbag Radical, an Anti-White Racist, or an Anti-Semitic Racist, and who somehow, manages to run on a platform of “Hope and Change”?
THAT should CERTAINLY disqualify you from being President of the United States, and that certain someone, of course, is Barack HUSSEIN Obama!
So, I agree with Aravosis and Clark, McCain, on just the basis of those two things, does not get qualified to be President of the United States.
But Barack HUSSEIN Obama, on the basis of all the TRUE things I just outlined about him, does get DISQUALIFED from being President of the United States.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it, Leftist Nutbags!
10:34 am
Nikolay,
“Clark is Vietnam veteran and a general who run the most successful military campaign ever.”
What? (And I’m not talking about your verb tenses).
Yes, Operation Overload, The Battle of Midway, The Russian Defense of Stalingrad, Dien Ben Phu, Desert Storm, Hannibal thru the Alps, The Trojan Horse, Sherman’s March to the Sea, The Indian Wars, The Nazis in Eastern and Western Europe, and McArthur’s Island Hopping Strategy.
All of those pale in comparrison to Kosovo.
Are you really that ignorant or are you just a puppet?
10:52 am
1. The first Mrs. McCain is still ALIVE - so much for that “deathbed” b.s.!
2. Anyone who chooses to denigrate John McCain’s COMPLETELY HONORABLE service to our nation, including 5-1/2 years is a freaking idiot.
3. Senator McCain has NEVER denied that he treated his first wife badly and he regrets it. Secondly, he himself has written about the propoganda video he ultimately made – after torture that would kill most of the critical posters here! Most liberals would faint if it even looked like someone was going to give them a wedgie! You try having both arms broken (and that’s just one example) with not treatment and see what you’d do.
As to the stealing of planes and all that other excrement being propounded by some of the posters – supply documented proof or shut the hell up. You cannot supply proof because it never happened and you well know it. Typical leftwingnut trick – throw out numerous random accusations, none of which have any basis in reality, and keep the opposition busy refuting those so no meaningful discussion of policy ever needs to take place.
Barack Hussein Obama is now and always will be completely incompetent and unqualified to be the President of this country – not because of his lack of military service but because he hasn’t got the moral center, the experience or the HUMILITY to lead our nation.
1:18 pm
This is why I hate Democrats, Liberals and Leftists, they’re all the same anymore, all Anti-American/Pro-Jihadi Nutbags.
When Clinton was running against George Bush Sr. and then Bob Dole, Military service had to be denigrated, because both were WWII Veterans, and Bill Clinton was a lying piece of s$%# draft dodger.
I have a long memory on this stuff; if you Google it, you’ll still find the articles on the Internet written about Bob Dole by the Left, about how he wasn’t really a “hero” and in fact, he should’ve been court martialed because he disobeyed orders, etc., etc.
When the idiot Gore, who was in the Army, but who hid out in the real in Saigon during the Vietnam War, ran against Bush in 2000, the Left spent all that time, tearing down Bush’s National Guard Service.
When the Traitor John Kerry ran against in Bush in 2004, they spent all that time, telling us how Honorable Kerry’s service was, while Bush’s service was dishonorable, and that he was AWOL. The funny thing is, it’s been Proven that Kerry faked at least 3 of his medals, and he is demonstrably a traitor, and its’s been proven that Bush not only was NOT-AWOL, but that he finished his National Guard Service in great form!
Now, suddenly the Anti-American/Pro-Jihadi Leftist Nutbags have nominated a Racist Anti-American/Pro-Jihadi Marxist-Muslim practicing “Taqiyah”, and Bingo, military service isn’t “in” again, because of course, Barack HUSSEIN Obama HATES this country, and like all good Leftists, would never deign to serve the country he says he “loves”, but which is a lie, every time he says it.
So, they have to tear McCain’s military service down, as much as possible.
The part that is really disgusting, is that so far, they’ve had other Military veterans such as Rand Beers and Wesley Clark do it; which proves that Leftism is a Mental Disease; there is no other explaination.
Funny thing is, I don’t even like McCain; and he’s not even going to get elected; I just HATE the Left, their hypocrasy, and their Anti-Americanism…
3:04 pm
Typical leftwingnut trick throw out numerous random accusations, none of which have any basis in reality, and keep the opposition busy refuting those so no meaningful discussion of policy ever needs to take place.
I’ve read plenty of sentences very similar to this, except with “left” replaced with “right”.
We can blame the Clintons. If Bill Clinton hadn’t been elected, the rightwingnuts wouldn’t have been forced to spend the 1990’s concocting stories like Hillary ordering the killing of Vincent Foster to cover up a lesbian affair with Markie Post. (Did I get that one right? Not particular familiar with the rightwingnut anti-Clinton canon.)
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9:41 am
Watchers of Weasels has rightly commended this piece which so completely spanks the silly self-referential libtard left. Wesley Clark was a ticket puncher—-John McCain was the ranking officer among men in difficult circumstances who opted for four-plus years in captivity instead of an early release propaganda stunt.
Can anyone honestly imagine an armchair admiral-type like Clark doing the same? Or any Dem now in the party leadership demonstrating making such a heroic act of self-denial? Unless I’m mistaken, they don’t make Johnny-Mack bravehearts any more, at least in the high-and-mighty cloakrooms of the political elites in DC.
12:05 pm
Didn’t McCain blink torture in morse code during the “propaganda” film? Sounds like a collaborator to me!
So what would this journo say if you stabbed him in the groin with a bayonette, broke his arms and legs, knocked his teeth out and starved him for a few months? I bet he would say anything you wanted if he thought that you might treat him badly.
The experience that John McCain has that makes him qualified to be preident is risking torture again so Bud day could fly again, and refusing parole when offered because it wasn’t offered to everybody in the Hanoi Hilton. Obabmi will throw anybody under the bus at the first sign of scaring off a voter, John McCain will stick by his allies no matter what the cost.