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10/20/2006
CNN SEES NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN US AND TERRORISTS
CATEGORY: Media

In a jaw dropping post on Anderson Cooper’s 360 Blog, Executive Producer David Doss reveals that CNN not only doesn’t care if their broadcasts give aid and comfort to the enemy in Iraq, but also that there is no difference between a US sniper and an enemy sniper.

One doesn’t have to read between the lines of this post nor does one have to put words into Doss’s mouth to understand exactly where CNN stands when it comes to the United States and the American military being at war. After outlining the sequence of events that led to the network broadcasting a tape of insurgent snipers shooting at 10 American soldiers, Doss proves that he is either the dumbest schmuck ever to work in TV or that he realized full well the propaganda value of the tape to the insurgents:

We are assuming they included the sniper tape to prove the authenticity of the Al-Shimary interview tape and to establish their credibility. Of course, we also understood that some might conclude there is a public relations benefit for the insurgents if we aired the material, especially on CNN International. We also understood that this kind of footage is upsetting and disturbing for many viewers. But after getting beyond the emotional debate, we concluded the tape meets our criteria for newsworthiness.

What kind of an idiot would “assume” that they included a tape of insurgents killing Americans to an American media outlet simply for purposes of authentication? Anyone with more than one brain cell working can see the PR benefit to the insurgents. Writing that “some might conclude” this is so is idiocy. Everyone believes it to be so – except the deliberately blind and self deluded.

And I am very happy for CNN that they were able to get “beyond the emotional debate.” I’m sure it was a travail trying to decide whether or not to glorify the insurgents who were shooting at Americans.

Is that too harsh a judgement? Think again:

You should also know we tried to put all of this in context. Our reporting included an interview with a current U.S. sniper in Iraq. He’s been both under attack from insurgent snipers and he has himself operated as a sniper. We also heard from Major General William Caldwell, a coalition forces spokesman in Iraq, and CNN military analyst General David Grange, formerly with the Green Beret, Delta Force and Army Rangers.

In his own words, Doss makes it crystal clear that CNN views a US sniper in exactly the same context as an Iraqi sniper. Their refusal to acknowledge the difference – that one side is killing Americans and the other side is killing the enemy – is perfectly in keeping with many (not all) media outlets who refuse to make a moral judgement about which side they are on.

I reject the notion that the nature of war reporting must necessarily make a journalist neutral. For the reporter not to recognize that 1) he is being used by people who are killing his neighbors and his neighbor’s children; and 2) that there is in fact a moral difference between those who are fighting to defend the reporter’s freedoms while the other side is fighting to take them away smacks of a breathtaking myopia that one must actually work at in order to succeed in efforts to be “neutral.”

A journalist who allows himself to be used as a tool to advance the enemy’s goals of turning the American people further against the war is no better than a paid propagandist of that enemy. This is so clear that anyone who might argue to the contrary must tie themselves in Gordian knots of logic in order to come down on the other side.

Reporting on the enemy is one thing. Telling us who they are and why they are fighting is probably unnecessary but relatively harmless. But what CNN did with the tape of enemy snipers shooting and killing Americans is something so far beyond the pale as to call into question CNN’s commitment to the “unvarnished truth.” Whose truth? Why, the enemy’s truth, of course. And by giving “context” to the story by placing the actions of an American sniper side by side with those of an insurgent’s shows that the network has a hard time with morally differentiating between the two sides. As impossible as that might sound, there can be no other conclusion drawn from CNN’s actions.

Also, while some lefty viewers were apparently satisfied that “both sides” of the conflict were being shown (as if it were a given that it not be necessary to take sides), some of the more bloodthirsty liberals were mad that the American people were spared the moment that the bullets made impact on the bodies of American citizens:

Others praised us for showing the threats U.S. military personnel actually face: “Thanks for having the guts to show the sniper update and to show us the other side of the story. Please continue to give us the truth; I know the network is bound to be taking heat.”

And still others thought by dipping to black and not showing the moment of impact of the sniper rounds we were sanitizing the horror of war: ” ... I think the reason it took Americans so long to come around on this war is because they somehow did not think it was real because they never saw anyone hurt … you guys need to show the unvarnished truth.”

Just goes to show that when it comes to giving aid and comfort to the enemy, you just can’t please all the people all the time.

By: Rick Moran at 10:04 am
49 Responses to “CNN SEES NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN US AND TERRORISTS”
  1. 1
    Sirius Familiaris Said:
    11:08 am 

    Not even sure where to begin…this is why I quit blogging.

    I cannot fathom what CNN intended to accomplish by airing this terrorist propaganda film. What is clear, however, is that none of the people involved in the decision to broadcast this garbage have any family members serving in Iraq. If any of them did, someone would have strenuously objected to giving terrorists free publicity.

    My brother was sent to Iraq two weeks ago. If he shows up in a snuff film on CNN, you’d better start checking your six, Mr. Turner. Often.

  2. 2
    Karen Said:
    1:11 pm 

    I think “dumbest schmuck” sums it up nicely. Doss should immediately be fired as he wouldn’t have the integrity to resign. This shows a major lack of ethics. This is why I do not watch CNN, only the Headline News in the middle of the night when no one else is on.
    I know people in Iraq and I cannot imagine what a mother or wife of a soldier must think as she watches this crap.

  3. 3
    The Strata-Sphere » Blog Archive » CNN: Americans And Terrorist The Same Pinged With:
    1:18 pm 

    [...] Rick Moran has a real jawdropper of a post on CNN’s determination that Americans and Terrorists are equivalent. I guess it is OK now to do the Nick Berg treatment on Muslims we round up….. [...]

  4. 4
    186k Per Second - » CNN’s 360 Producer - Lets get beyond the emotional debate of killing US Soldiers. Pinged With:
    1:21 pm 

    [...] You have to read the post at Right Wing Nut House In a jaw dropping post on Anderson Cooper’s 360 Blog, Executive Producer David Doss reveals that CNN not only doesn’t care if their broadcasts give aid and comfort to the enemy in Iraq, but also that there is no difference between a US sniper and an enemy sniper. [...]

  5. 5
    186k Per Second - » CNN’s 360 Producer - Lets get beyond the emotional debate of killing US Soldiers. Pinged With:
    1:21 pm 

    [...] You have to read the post at Right Wing Nut House In a jaw dropping post on Anderson Cooper’s 360 Blog, Executive Producer David Doss reveals that CNN not only doesn’t care if their broadcasts give aid and comfort to the enemy in Iraq, but also that there is no difference between a US sniper and an enemy sniper. [...]

  6. 6
    ed Said:
    1:27 pm 

    I agree that the reporter involved should be horsewhipped within an inch of his life for presenting insurgent propaganda (perhaps his education didn’t include exposure to Tokyo Rose or Lord Ha-Ha). But Rick,

    “Their refusal to acknowledge the difference – that one side is killing Americans and the other side is killing the enemy. . .”

    the other side considers Americans the ememy as much as Americans consider the Iraqi snipers as enemies! Not sure what you meant by this, but in war, both sides try to kill each other, and both sides see themselves as the good guys and the other side as the enemy.

  7. 7
    anonymous Said:
    1:57 pm 

    10/20/2006
    CNN SEES NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN US AND TERRORISTS

    A view shared by an overwhelming majority of people currently alive on this planet.

  8. 8
    DubiousD Said:
    2:20 pm 

    CNN will air the jihadi sniper tape but it won’t air the Eason Jordan tape at the Davos conference.

    Nice.

  9. 9
    Chris Said:
    3:00 pm 

    Well, ed, since both sides see themselves as the “good guys”, whose side are you on? Were the Nazis also good guys? Should we have aired German newsreels of heroic Nazi resistance to capitalist imperialism to provide balance?

  10. 10
    goddessoftheclassroom Said:
    3:34 pm 

    ed,

    The freely-elected government of Iraq has ASKED America and the coalitition to stay until they can handle things on their own.

    The insurgents may believe they’re the “good guys,” but they’re trying to overthrow a fragile democratic (or at least trying to be) administration.

    True Iraqis aren’t trying to kill us; the enemies of freedom are.

  11. 11
    Tom Said:
    4:21 pm 

    Actions like this from CNN and statements like the comment from Ed above makes me wonder if we can actually win this war when so many people can’t differentiate between the good guys and the bad guys. The only reason we “quit” in Vietnam was because of this and you wonder if the same thing will happen in Iraq, damn the consequences of what happens if we withdraw.

  12. 12
    R Said:
    4:46 pm 

    “We also understood that this kind of footage is upsetting and disturbing for many viewers. But after getting beyond the emotional debate, we concluded the tape meets our criteria for newsworthiness.”

    Then show us the 9-11 WTC video, assholes. That’s newsworthy, and it makes it crystal clear WHY WE MUST FIGHT THIS WAR…in Iraq, Afghanistan, and wherever terrorists are harbored. But it doesn’t fit the “it’s America’s fault” and “don’t make us want to fight back” world view.

  13. 13
    Drewsmom Said:
    4:57 pm 

    cnn is the lowest of the low, they will probably fall behind msnbc now and thats pitiful. I’m surprised they didn’t show the hit in the back of the brave US soldier he was aiming at.
    This is keith olbermann kind of crap and I refuse to ever watch cnn again, that just leaves FOX, Drudge, the internet, such as this site and others. I have a feeling viewership will take a downward spiral.

  14. 14
    michael s. class Said:
    5:33 pm 

    “I Can’t Watch CNN! Ernie Pyle, I Miss You!” Says Author Michael Class

    In new American history book, time-traveling boy discovers war correspondents of the past were better.

    On October 19, 2006, CNN aired a video obtained from America’s enemy, the Islamic Army of Iraq, showing an Islamic Army sniper targeting and killing an American soldier.

    “Like many Americans, I am shocked and outraged by CNN’s decision to air the video. The video is enemy propaganda, designed to discourage American support for the war effort,” says history book author Michael S. Class. “War correspondents of the past knew better.”

    Class is the author of a new history book for kids: Anthony and the Magic Picture Frame. In the book, Anthony, the author’s real-life son, travels through time to meet the heroes of America’s past. Advanced digital photography places Anthony in real historical photographs of Charles Lindbergh, Neil Armstrong, Thomas Edison, Jonas Salk, FDR, Lou Gehrig, and Audie Murphy. Anthony’s conversations with the heroes of the past are based on things they really said. The Web site, http://www.MagicPictureFrame.com, displays some of the book’s amazing photographs.

    “I wanted to capture the interest of today’s kids,” says Class, “by turning American history into a grand time travel adventure – with a moral lesson. It’s a history book with a lesson for the present day.”

    Anthony meets American war correspondent Ernie Pyle on Normandy beach on D-Day, June 6, 1944.

    “I met a journalist who came ashore with the second wave of GIs,” reports Anthony. “He was sitting on the beach, surrounded by the evidence of the day’s chaos – crumpled machinery, dead bodies, and spent artillery. His name was Ernie Pyle and he was writing his latest dispatch to the newspapers in the United States.”

    Ernie Pyle writes the following words in his tattered notebook: “Now that it is over it seems to me a pure miracle that we ever took the beach at all. In this column I want to tell you what this battle entailed, so that you can know and appreciate and forever be humbly grateful to those both dead and alive who did it for you.”

    Anthony wonders: “Why are there no reporters like Ernie Pyle in my time?”

    “Ernie Pyle’s style of reporting seemed strange to Anthony,” explains Class, “because Ernie Pyle made it clear which side he was on. Ernie Pyle never glorified war, but he explained combat in terms of the sacrifices that American soldiers made on behalf of the people back home. Pyle wrote of the American warrior with a heart-of-gold, fighting the good fight against evil, fighting for a just and moral cause.”

    Ernie Pyle was one of America’s most famous and beloved war correspondents during World War II. Pyle set a new journalistic standard by moving among the soldiers on the front lines. His reporting gave the American people a closeness to war that they had never experienced before. Ernie Pyle died on April 18, 1945, while reporting on the Battle of Okinawa in the Pacific. A movie was made about Ernie Pyle in 1945: The Story of G.I. Joe, starring Burgess Meredith.

    “In the new World War,” explains Class, “it seems that journalists follow American soldiers into battle only to report on what goes wrong, to focus attention on mistakes, or to get the story from the enemy’s point of view. When was the last time you read a newspaper article telling you about the bravery, courage, or success of our troops in battle? Can you imagine a TV news anchor closing a news broadcast with the words: Godspeed to our troops, and our prayers for the swift defeat of the enemy?”

    Ernie Pyle was revered by Americans, but Class thinks that history might not be kind to modern-day journalists.

    “I can’t watch CNN!” says Class. “Ernie Pyle, I miss you!”

    Anthony and the Magic Picture Frame was named Outstanding Book of the Year and Most Original Concept of 2006 by Independent Publisher, Reviewers Choice by Midwest Book Review, and Editor’s Pick by Homefires: The Journal of Homeschooling Online. Nationally syndicated talk-show host Michael Medved calls the book “entertaining and educational.” Apollo 11 astronaut Buzz Aldrin says “parents and teachers will appreciate the inspiring message this unique history book holds for America’s next generation. I recommend this book to all young Americans, may they take us to the stars and beyond.”

    Anthony and the Magic Picture Frame (hardcover, 225 pages, $26.50) is available at http://www.MagicPictureFrame.com, by calling toll-free 1-800-247-6553, at select bookstores, and on http://www.amazon.com.

    Anthony and the Magic Picture Frame includes built-in tools for parents and teachers: recommendations for hundreds of books, movies, songs, and places to visit, keyed to the subjects of each chapter. The author’s Web site includes a fun final exam; the author’s blog is a place for readers to discuss the book’s moral lessons (www.MagicPictureFrame.blogspot.com).

  15. 15
    anonymous Said:
    5:38 pm 

    Chris Said:
    3:00 pm
    Well, ed, since both sides see themselves as the “good guys”, whose side are you on? Were the Nazis also good guys? Should we have aired German newsreels of heroic Nazi resistance to capitalist imperialism to provide balance?

    The Nazis were not anti-capitalist; they were anti-Communist. And, being European, they were, of course, devoted imperialists.

  16. 16
    anonymous Said:
    5:44 pm 

    goddessoftheclassroom Said:
    3:34 pm

    The freely-elected government of Iraq has ASKED America and the coalitition to stay until they can handle things on their own.

    The insurgents may believe they’re the “good guys,” but they’re trying to overthrow a fragile democratic (or at least trying to be) administration.

    True Iraqis aren’t trying to kill us; the enemies of freedom are.

    Do you teach your students to parrot these and other boiler-plate bits of propaganda? Do they get extra credit if they report any expression of disloyalty they might hear in their homes?

  17. 17
    Jo's Cafe Trackbacked With:
    6:15 pm 

    CNN in bed with Terrorists

    Let your friends, family, neighbors, co-workers and anyone that you come upon know how much the liberals are trying to destroy this country, to the point they’d bed with terrorists just to tape a US Soldier being killed.
    Excuse me now while I go …

  18. 18
    Joust The Facts Trackbacked With:
    6:22 pm 

    Tet Talk And Media Missteps

    ABC News tried to make a big splash a couple of days ago with a misleading headline, inferring that President Bush now believed that the Iraq war could be compared to Vietnam. Honesty would have forced them to admit that

  19. 19
    ed Said:
    6:29 pm 

    Chris,

    Do YOU know who Tokyo Rose and Lord Ha-Ha was and why I made that reference? Look it up and you will know whose side I am on. And goddessoftheclassroom, please understand that we can have an opinion of who the “true Iraqis” are, but that doesn’t mean that any or all Iraqis are under any obligation to accept our opinion. Tom, I know who the good guys are, we Americans are trying to do good for Iraq. A true democracy will make Iraq (and other totalitarian states) better serve their people and be better citizens of the world. I am with you. Where we part company is on the notion that we can force democracy onto countries or that the United States has the final call on what other countries do. Just because we know we are right does not require other countries to do what we think is right.

  20. 20
    Wake up America Trackbacked With:
    6:49 pm 

    Media Helps Al-qaeda

    We already know Al-Qaeda intentions are to use American media to undermine the will of America to stand strong in our war against terror. Knowing this and then making a concentrated effort to do exactly as Al-Qaeda has predicted and wishes them to do, ...

  21. 21
    Maggie's Farm Trackbacked With:
    7:15 pm 

    Fri. Evening/Sat. Morning Links

    This is indeed jaw-dropping. First paragraph of piece by Rick M:Executive Producer David Doss reveals that CNN not only doesn’t care if their broadcasts give aid and comfort to the enemy in Iraq, but also that there is no difference between a US sniper

  22. 22
    Melanie Said:
    8:04 pm 

    Given the rational for Iraq has changed several times, I feel Americans need to see exactly what sort of position that we have allowed our troops to end up in, all for naught.

    It also shows the glaring ineptitude of our own intel. apparatus. Anderson Cooper can hunt down and find the terrorists, yet the US gov’t can’t.

    Isn’t that what really makes you angry?

  23. 23
    Neo Said:
    8:31 pm 

    In 1983 .. Sen. Edward Kennedy (D-Mass.) offered to assist Soviet leaders in formulating a public relations strategy to counter President Reagan’s foreign policy and to complicate his re-election efforts.

    Kennedy didn’t see any difference between the U.S. and the Soviet Union.

  24. 24
    Neo Said:
    8:47 pm 

    The Department of Justice is investigating whether Rep. Jane Harman and the pro-Israel group worked together to get her reappointed as the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee

  25. 25
    Chris Said:
    9:02 pm 

    Gee, ed, I guess I just didn’t detect your sarcasm.

    The Nazis were socialists. Duh.

  26. 26
    the-gunslinger Said:
    9:23 pm 

    I’m screaming at the monitor. This is not English, this is Newspeak right out of 1984. CNN is not NEUTRAL. They are COLLABORATIONSISTS and TRAITORS.

    “Neutral”, like “disinterested” means you legitimately do not have a stake in the conflict or outcome. CNN is an American Company. They, by definition, have a stake in the conflict or outcome.

    When they broadcast the enemy’s propaganda they are collaborating with the enemy. The fact that they choose to do so without moral compunction does not make them NEUTRAL. IT MAKES THEM TRAITORS.

  27. 27
    codekeyguy Said:
    11:11 pm 

    It is not difficult to understand the mindset of CNN. Turner is still “...making up his mind…” on the war. However, I have a son in Iraq, on his 2nd tour. He tells me often of the “hearts and minds stuff” (as he puts it) that the troops do.
    It is never seen on TV. I guess it isn’t “newsworthy”. Also, US snipers are highly trained professionals. I know that sounds evil, but I wonder how much training (other than “kiss the koran up to Allah”) the muslim snipers get?
    I’m sorry, but CNN should be censured for this.

  28. 28
    Just Some Poor Schmuck Trackbacked With:
    5:47 am 

    Just As There’s No Difference Between Anderson Cooper And Tokyo Rose

    CNN SEES NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN US AND TERRORISTS In a jaw dropping post on Anderson Cooper’s 360 Blog, Executive Producer David Doss reveals that CNN not only doesn’t care if their broadcasts give aid and comfort to the enemy in…

  29. 29
    Drewsmom Said:
    6:54 am 

    I think I’ll take a traitor break today and go see Flag of our Fathers, a great movie that shows true heroes and a country that loves America … how refreshing.

  30. 30
    Doug Ross @ Journal Trackbacked With:
    10:08 am 

    The immigrants!

    Col. Jon Kline’s exceptional campaign commercial (hat tip: Powerline) deserves the “Classic Comics” treatment…

  31. 31
    susan Said:
    10:39 am 

    Melanie

    CNN and Anderseon Cooper didn’t have to hide down and find any terrorists since the terrorists are most likely on CNN’s payroll.

    CNN did apologize once in letter form for having never reported, while in Baghdad for almost a decade, Saddam’s torturous regime because they ‘had to protect their sources’ (in other words, they had to protect Saddam)

    There is simply no justification for defending CNN’s actions.

    BY the way it was Leftist who kept changing the goalpost for reasons to invade Iraq. Blame them.

  32. 32
    DoubleTap Said:
    12:34 pm 

    Once again, CNN and Ted Turner have proven how low a major American news outlet can go. They are truly no better than Al-Jazeera. Perhaps the liberals will someday finally figure out why Fox News has such high ratings.

  33. 33
    John Vanderhoef Said:
    1:12 pm 

    The world needs to see the truth, no matter who is offended. If my son were murdered, I would want the world to see it so they could share in my sadness.

  34. 34
    larry in los angeles Said:
    1:54 pm 

    It is amazing what Republicans get outraged over. They were outraged when Clinton tried to kill Ben Laden and they screamed “Wag the Dog”. Bush was fraudulently inserted into the presidency in 2001 where he started energizing his now failed “Humble Foreign Policy”. He ignores Clinton’s terrorism warnings, Richard Clarke, he ignores Former US Senators Gary Hart and Warren Rudman’s report warning of the terrorist threat, ignores George Tenet running around as if his hair was on fire, ignores the chatter, goes on vacation and ignores the PDB and then goes fishing. Cheney previously had said that there would be no response to the Cole bombing upon learning that Al Qeada did it because it didn’t happen on Bush’s watch. The then Democratically controlled Senate Armed Services Committe recommended adding hundreds of million’s to anti-terrorism funding. In early September of 2001 Secretary Rumsfeld informs the Senate that he would advise the President veto this. Ashcroft later rejects Pickard’s request for more anti-terrorism funding. Ben Laden soon afterwards attacks America, we let him escape from Tora Bora as we go after Saddam under false pretenses and that leads to 3000 coalition forces dying, including the one that CNN showed on tape. Do I detect misplaced outrage? 6,000 American deaths on Bush’s watch due to terrorism and an ill-advised war in Iraq and it’s the video stupid? Maybe it’s just me.

    Banned but not out.

  35. 35
    Rob Said:
    1:56 pm 

    Well CNN has always been the “Fear Network.” If they can get us to fear something so we’ll keep watching, they won’t hold back.

    This was evidenced a few times by the Daily Show which showed CNN having a whole day of “Target America: Are we safe anywhere?”

  36. 36
    CNN Gives Aid and Comfort To Our Enemies « Trafficland Pinged With:
    8:15 pm 

    [...] The Right Wing Nuthouse has something to say about CNN. [...]

  37. 37
    Mensa Barbie Welcomes You Trackbacked With:
    12:57 am 

    Fatwa Phobia: Rise of Cult-Islam

    It is said that one man’s decision can affect the outcome of ‘civilization as is known to many. I suggest that the…
    ...Rick Moran posts:

  38. 38
    anonymous Said:
    1:00 am 

    John Vanderhoef Said:
    1:12 pm
    The world needs to see the truth, no matter who is offended. If my son were murdered, I would want the world to see it so they could share in my sadness.

    A soldier of an invading and occupying army is not murdered; he is killed.

  39. 39
    Doug Ross @ Journal Trackbacked With:
    8:19 am 

    Keith Olbermann’s gonna have a revolution

    Sister Toldjah has done fearless work, documenting the latest rumblings from the fever swamp. Their current conspiracy theory: Bush and Rove are way too confident about the midterm elections. What could they be up to? What diabolical plans are in mot…

  40. 40
    Rob Said:
    9:14 am 

    Doug Ross,

    Its funny that Keith gets under your skin. Could it be that his rants expose the uglyness and hate you see in yourself?

  41. 41
    Edward Said:
    9:05 pm 

    Let me see if i undestand this… The USA invade Irak, so the USA is the invader, but the guy that are defending Irak are the enemy.

    That is BULLSHIT!, using the same logic i can say: that George Washington was the enemy, and that the British were the good guys.

  42. 42
    Chris Said:
    8:48 am 

    Thanks, Edward, for pointing something out. Enemies of American soldiers are our enemies, as our soldiers are agents of the government, sent on a mission by the representatives of the American people.

    When Bill Clinton sent American troops into Somalia, Somalians became our enemy. In Kosovo, Serbians were our enemy. It’s quite simple, really. Whomever is opposing our armed forces is our enemy. If they are not your enemy, then which side are you on?

  43. 43
    A Slower Pace Trackbacked With:
    8:06 pm 

    Why?.....

    Unless you missed your flight and are held hostage by the weather in an airport terminal, is there any other reason to watch CNN? I just don’t understand why people keep watching this drivel.

    Honestly, I can’t tell you the last time I watched CNN….

  44. 44
    dbehsman Said:
    10:00 pm 

    To anonymous #7
    “CNN SEES NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN US AND TERRORISTS
    A view shared by an overwhelming majority of people currently alive on this planet.”

    Well, just don’t get all huffy when people start questioning your patriotism.

  45. 45
    dbehsman Said:
    10:09 pm 

    To anonymous #15
    “The Nazis were not anti-capitalist; they were anti-Communist. And, being European, they were, of course, devoted imperialists.”

    The official name of the Nazi party was the “Nationalist SOCIALIST WORKERS Party”. The National Socialists may not have been completely anti-capitalist, but they sure as hell weren’t free marketeers. These were SOCIALISTS. In other words, these were proud left wingers. When Joe Stalin signed the treaty with Hitler, they were the best of buddies. Things ONLY went sour after Germany invaded Soviet controlled Poland.

  46. 46
    dbehsman Said:
    10:12 pm 

    To anonymous #16
    “Do you teach your students to parrot these and other boiler-plate bits of propaganda? Do they get extra credit if they report any expression of disloyalty they might hear in their homes?”

    Why don’t you save the hysteria for the campus? That type of garbage might sit with the little Nazi/Socialist/Communist dirtball professors, but it doesn’t fair too well on the internet. Spare us, please.

  47. 47
    dbehsman Said:
    10:34 pm 

    To larry in los angeles,

    “It is amazing what Republicans get outraged over. They were outraged when Clinton tried to kill Ben Laden and they screamed “Wag the Dog”.”

    Good God! Talk about pathetic talking points! Bill Clinton was the idiot who let Bin Laden go! What kind of drugs are you doing?

    “Bush was fraudulently inserted into the presidency …”

    Here we go again. Bush won four recounts. How many more do you need?

    “... in 2001 where he started energizing his now failed “Humble Foreign Policy”. He ignores Clinton’s terrorism warnings, Richard Clarke, he ignores Former US Senators Gary Hart and Warren Rudman’s report warning of the terrorist threat, ignores George Tenet running around as if his hair was on fire, ignores the chatter, goes on vacation and ignores the PDB and then goes fishing.”

    Absolute lies. Nobody had reports that Al Qaeda was going to fly airliners into buildings or military targets.

    “Cheney previously had said that there would be no response to the Cole bombing upon learning that Al Qeada did it because it didn’t happen on Bush’s watch.”

    I would like to see your sources for that.

    “The then Democratically controlled Senate Armed Services Committe recommended adding hundreds of million’s to anti-terrorism funding. In early September of 2001 Secretary Rumsfeld informs the Senate that he would advise the President veto this. Ashcroft later rejects Pickard’s request for more anti-terrorism funding. Ben Laden soon afterwards attacks America, we let him escape from Tora Bora as we go after Saddam under false pretenses and that leads to 3000 coalition forces dying, including the one that CNN showed on tape.”

    Again, absolute liberal lies. Do you have any proof that Bush let Bin Laden go? We know that Bill Clinton let Bin Laden go in 1996. WHERE IS YOUR PROOF THAT BUSH LET BIN LADEN GO?

    “Do I detect misplaced outrage?”

    I detect a pothead who’s had too much.

    “6,000 American deaths on Bush’s watch due to terrorism and an ill-advised war in Iraq and it’s the video stupid?”

    Look, I know that you liberals are really upset that Sadam Hussein has been deposed. I understand that you’re heart broken over the fact the Hussein is standing trail for crimes against humanity. I realize that you’re all upset that there are no more rape rooms in Iraq, no more executions done by shredders, no more childrens prisons, no more rigged elections, etc. But you’re just going to have to get over it. Hussein is done, and you’re not going to be able to get him back.

    “Maybe it’s just me.”

    No it’s all of you, and the entire stinking democRAT party.

  48. 48
    dbehsman Said:
    10:38 pm 

    To anonymous #38,
    “A soldier of an invading and occupying army is not murdered; he is killed.”

    Another fine example of liberal patriotism at it’s best. Did you ever bother to consider that the Americans are LIBERATORS?

  49. 49
    larry in los angeles Said:
    5:55 pm 

    To: dbehsman

    It is a sad day when a fellow human being is so far removed from reality that he mistakes truth with the drug-induced stupor that he is obviously more familiar with. It grieves me that I have hurt your feelings in bringing you these tidbits of sanity cold turkey style but everybody needs to grow up someday. This kind of reminds me of a movie that I once saw. One brother needs to tell the other that his new lovely tender young bride of twelve hours, that he so loves with all his heart was turning tricks just for kicks in a cross town drug flat last night. I will try to be gentle. George W. Bush is a prolific unadulterated shameless liar who stole an election, busted the U.S Budget and perpetuated falsehood piled upon incompetence that ultimately lead to the death of six thousand young and old Americans. I have never used drugs or alcohol in my life. My thoughts and mind are clear. In fact this info comes to me because I have been paying attention to what has been going on in my country for the last twenty years plus. Before you accuse someone of lying first check if they actually said what you claim. You should also try to avoid referencing God in the same paragraph that includes some of your lies. If I were to guess I’d say that you have been Hannitized. I can almost envision that blank glazed-over stare.
    I don’t get the vapors when I see Bush or any other politicians. I don’t fall in love with the paid help (Presidents’ Senators and the like), especially those of male persuasion. I don’t receive talking points from anyone left, center or right and I stay away from both extremes’ punch bowls. I happened to tape some of the 911 Commission hearings and I read much of the Commission’s report. I read magazines news papers and watch cable and network information programs. I listen to, call and talk to Right Wing talk radio when they are not too afraid to get publicly embarrassed over the air as I bust their chops with a little truth.
    It is clear that you at most only have a few years of adulthood under your belt and you have much to learn before you master the art of tact. Be patient grasshopper. Do your homework and you will spend less time removing your foot from your mouth! Know this, everything that I have told you is the truth. Read it a couple of times in small chunks and check it against good sources. (hint- if your source still maintains that there were WMDs when we went into Iraq then find another source). Expand your knowledge base and don’t trust strangers who send you unsolicited E-mails. Now why don’t you find your skateboard and go outside and play with some one your own age. Make sure you wear your helmet for I don’t think that you can take another blow to the head.

    Banned but not out

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