Noted internet thug and bully Larry Johnson – former Counter terrorism official for the Department of State, employee of the CIA, apologist for Valerie Plame, and defender of those who leak classified material (as long as it harms the Bush Administration) – is in a gloating mood today. A declassified CIA summary of Plame’s employment at the CIA reveals that the agency considered her status “covert” and that this fact should increase the jail time for Scooter Libby when the convicted Cheney aide is sentenced.
First, it should be noted that what Libby, Cheney, and that whole crew did in deliberately sabatoging Plame’s career at CIA was reprehensible. Whether she was covert or not, it was not necessary to debunk Joe Wilson’s lies by outing his wife as an employee of the CIA. I don’t care who you are in government, publicizing the name of an intelligence employee – covert or not – is wrong. It is always wrong. And to try and defend it by pointing out that Plame was not covert or that she worked at Langley and it was therefore no secret that she was a CIA employee just doesn’t cut it. We should have more respect for the employees of our intelligence agencies than that.
But I just had to post on Larry Johnson today because, in a very large sense, Johnson is what the Administration and most of us on the right have been fighting against since 2001; a mindset in the intelligence community that elevates unelected bureaucrats to positions where they can undermine or otherwise affect policies they disagree with – policies that are set by the freely elected representatives of the United States government. It is an abomination. And Larry Johnson has been an abominable figure in these dramas from start to finish.
I’ve had a run in with Mr. Johnson myself. Following a post I wrote on Admiral Inman decrying the partisan nature of the leaking of classified documents, Johnson left a comment that claimed the Admiral had been misquoted:
Hey boneheads,
I actually spoke with Admiral Inman. He said he was misquoted (Gee, what a surprise, the NRO can’t get its story straight). He’s disgusted by the attacks on Valerie Plame. You guys only got one thing right, Admiral Inman is a class act.
After a follow up post in which I basically called Johnson an idiot for a statement he made at TPM Cafe that the conservative movement was “partly born” as a result of of the efforts of Whittaker Chambers to expose Alger Hiss, Johnson shot back an email in which he overtly threatened me by bragging that he “knew the guys who killed Pablo Escobar” and that I didn’t know who I was dealing with.
If I had any doubts of who or what I was dealing with, they were laid to rest with this nauseating, over the top, severely unbalanced gloat against Plame’s critics who insisted she wasn’t covert:
Victoria Toensing, Cliff May, Byron York and the other rightwing apologists who have long insisted that Valerie Plame Wilson was not undercover have some “splaining” to do. Federal Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald’s latest filing in the Scooter Libby case leaves no doubt about Valerie Wilson’s status—she was covert and undercover and served overseas. Thanks to a heads up from McClatchy’s Jonathan Landay, followed in short order by a note from John Amato at Crooks and Liars, I got my hands on the Fitzgerald filing. [Update: David Corn posted the first piece on this Friday night. He needs to do more self-promotion.] Man, the rightwing stooges are getting their collective asses handed to them on all fronts (e.g., a bird sh**s on Bush, Wolfowitz gets bounced from the World Bank, and rightwing bloggers, Flopping Aces and Charles Johnson in particular, were exposed making fraudulent claims). As Jackie Gleason used to say, “how sweet it is!”
Perhaps Mr. Johnson should go easy on the “getting it wrong” aspect of this case. After all, there are few more spectacular examples of being wrong than what Johnson wrote in July of 2001:
Judging from news reports and the portrayal of villains in our popular entertainment, Americans are bedeviled by fantasies about terrorism. They seem to believe that terrorism is the greatest threat to the United States and that it is becoming more widespread and lethal. They are likely to think that the United States is the most popular target of terrorists. And they almost certainly have the impression that extremist Islamic groups cause most terrorism.
None of these beliefs are based in fact.
I hope for a world where facts, not fiction, determine our policy. While terrorism is not vanquished, in a world where thousands of nuclear warheads are still aimed across the continents, terrorism is not the biggest security challenge confronting the United States, and it should not be portrayed that way.
In case Mr. Johnson and his friends on the left may have forgotten, (And why not? They act like they’ve forgotten about it on a daily basis.) 2 months later on September 11, 2001, the most horrific attack against American citizens ever to take place on American soil occurred in New York, Washington, D.C., and over the skies of Pennsylvania when one of those bedeviling “fantasies” about terrorism actually came true. If you want the details of that attack (just to jog your memory), go here.
Johnson has since tried to furiously backtrack from that position, saying that he said that Islamic terrorism was the #1 threat and that everything he said in the article was true.
Maybe. But it takes a special kind of idiot to note that the terrorism threat was “declining” two months before 9/11 and then not acknowledge that mistake.
And that’s not the only time “Wrong Way Johnson” has been utterly and unbelievably mistaken. In fact, in what has to be considered one of the funniest, most outrageous examples of stupidity in the history of the internet, Johnson (along with most of the left) fell for the Jason Leopold story predicting that Karl Rove would be indicted in connection with the Plame Affair “within 24 hours.” Here’s Mr. Johnson’s original take on the news:
Frog March at the White House?
by
Larry C Johnson
[...]
Check out the big brain on Jason Leopold over at Truth Out.
Rove Informs White House He Will Be Indicted
Within the last week, Karl Rove told President Bush and Chief of Staff Joshua Bolten, as well as a few other high level administration officials, that he will be indicted in the CIA leak case and will immediately resign his White House job when the special counsel publicly announces the charges against him, according to sources.
That was on Friday, May 12, 2006. The very next day, Leopold expanded on his “scoop” by saying that Rove would be indicted within 24 hours. More gloating from Jaba the Hut:
Rove Indicted—Frog March the Bastard
by
Larry C Johnson
As Freddy Mercury sang, “Another One Bites the Dust”.
Jason Leopold beats the Main Stream Media Stenographers again. Check his story out.
Will we see the following real world.
(photoshopped picture of Rove being dragged away in handcuffs)
This was only the beginning of one of the more sidesplitting episodes I can remember on the internet. Leopold’s piece appeared in Truthout on Saturday, May 13th. On Sunday with no Rove indictment apparent, Mr. Johnson was insisting that “All is well” with this post on the Democratic Underground:
Larry Johnson
Sun May-14-06 02:17 AM
It is not just Jason Leopold. Joe Wilson heard the same from other sources. And, more importantly, Jason is reporting based on multiple, more than two, sources. His editors realized what a big story this is and did the appropriate checking before posting.
They are called Truth Out for a reason. Getting the truth out.
Yes, I’m sure they did. A full week passed and still no Rove frog marching. The left, still hopeful, began to make excuses for Leopold; that he was the victim of some plot by Rove and his lawyers was a common musing by the dunces on the left. But our Larry was still hopeful:
Latest Re Rove on Truth Out
The following was posted today on Truth Out. They are sticking to their guns and justifiably so. Time will tell.
Time told alright. Nothing. Nada. Zipadeedodah. No Rove indictment. Leopold exposed as a serial exaggerator or worse. And Larry Johnson, member of the Reality Based Community in good standing? A month later, the hypocritical Mr. Johnson was still defending Jason Leopold as a brave truth teller because after Rove’s lawyer announced that Fitzgerald had sent him a letter saying he would not indict his client, Larry refused to believe it because no one had seen the letter!
Where’s the Letter Luskin?
by
Larry C Johnson
Oh. So Karl Rove got a pass? Really? Where’s the letter? Seems none of the mainstream media can get their story straight. Some report there is a letter from Patrick Fitzgerald, but none have seen it. Some say there was a phone call. Really? Let’s see the phone records. Others say there was a fax. Okay, where’s the damn fax.
What is amazing is that Jason Leopold gets vilified and yet, when it comes to the mainstream media, everyone gives these cretins a pass. Sorry. Jason reports there is a sealed indictment. Lufkin claims otherwise. Lufkin claims to have proof but won’t put it on the table.
I’m with Christy Hardin Smith at FireDogLake.com. Until Patrick Fitzgerald calls off the dogs that Porcine Ass called Rove ought to worry about who he might be getting up close and personal with in jail.
AND LARRY JOHNSON IS TAKING CONSERVATIVE SPOKESMEN AND BLOGGERS TO TASK FOR BEING WRONG ABOUT ANYTHING?
This bullying guttersnipe should be eating crow, not crowing about anything at all. One wonders what this lickspittle’s track record at the CIA and State Department could have been if his powers of observation and prognostication leave so much to be desired. It’s frightening, actually, to think of this guy in a position of responsibility anywhere in government. And the “Sexion Caper” should make that clear to anyone who’s honest enough to see it.
Sexion was a blogger who lived in Norway who was deliberately and viciously targeted by Johnson, Leopold, and others in a coordinated attack that included phone calls to his home, his parents home, and not very well disguised threats against his person. The incident convinced Sexion to quit blogging so the story is best told by others since his blog has disappeared. Ace had his own problems with sock puppets posting personal information on his site about Sexion and relates them in the several posts he did on the matter. What is absolutely clear is this; Larry Johnson participated in a campaign of intimidation against a 24 year old blogger who never did him any harm.
This quote from a Sexion post about emails received from Bully Boy Johnson should chill your bones:
Perhaps most haunting was the email I received from Larry Johnson last night. He claimed I defamed him and called him a liar. I did not defame him and he did lie to me when he said that he had answered my questions when he had in fact not done so. This was not part of the story I wrote yesterday, calling him a liar for that, I simply stated the fact that he declined to answer a set of yes/no questions I posed to him, as he responded that he had already answered them, which was false.Johnson laced the email, to a personal account of mine which I do not usually give out and which is not available through Google, with personal details about my family and me. Just like Leopold had done, Johnson repeated my mother’s name, my parents’ address, and even my birth month and year. Obviously Johnson thought this would freak me out and scare me into retracting everything. He concluded the email with:
I am willing to accept a written apology and move on. If you refuse to retract your statements about me I am prepared to ratchet this up several levels. I have not spent the last twenty years working with the U.S. military and the intelligence community to accept this kind of nonsense from a wet-nosed 24 year old coward, who is an armchair warrior but does not have the courage to enlist in the military when his country is at war.
Is that a threat, Mr. Johnson? After I responded, he fired back with this:
I know where you are living. You forget that I do work for the European Union and friends in Interpol. I’ve offered you a mature way to deal with this situation. You’re obviously too immature and inexperienced to recognize the offer for what it is. Too bad.
The reason this rings true to me is the little aside in Mr. Johnson’s email to me about “knowing” the men who killed Pablo Escobar. It’s the same kind of cowardly, veiled threat he makes to Sexion.
I don’t know if Johnson still appears as a TV analyst for terrorism anymore. If he does, producers and bookers should read this post carefully and decide for themselves whether they want this sort of fellow appearing on their network. Johnson is a despicable brat, a juvenile, a Walter Mitty who fancies himself some kind of terrorist fighting superhero and slayer of conservatives . But when the lights go down and darkness descends, he crawls out from under a rock and bullies those he thinks won’t or can’t fight back.
How very brave of you, Larry. Now, do your damnedest.
9:39 am
Years ago I saw Larry Johnson on cable TV, he seemed like an arrogant
self important p***k.
10:19 am
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1:15 pm
Rick: I used to read and post at Seixon’s blog, so I know the story.
For the record: Larry Johnson is a liar, a fraud, and a punk!
I’ve called him out on several Blogs, he’s welcome to come after me, any time he likes!
I, FOR REAL, “know” people inside the Beltway; ‘nuff said!
Larry, I’ve called you out a half a dozen times; you’re welcome to threaten me, any time you like!
I WELCOME IT!
Nice summation Rick, but you and I diverge on one point!
Plame was NOT “outted” by the White House, or Libby, or any of those.
Plame was “outted”, when her and her husband, decided to affect, and effect, US National Policy, by deliberately LYING about the following:
a) the “sixteen words in the President’s SOTUS!
b) Wilson’s OPED; a complete LIE, from start to finish!
c) the so-called Niger “forgeries”, and when in fact Wilson had seen/knew about them
d) Wilson’s conclusions of his trip to Niger, and the effect they had upon the CIA analysts who debriefed him
e) Who in fact, suggested, and chose Wilson to begin with, for the Niger trip (reminder: Valerie Plame suggested her husband, not for one, not for two, but THREE trips total, to Niger)
f) When Valerie Plame decided to contribute money to the DNC, list her name, and her employer, as a CIA front company!
g) buy Joe Wilson listing Valerie by name, as his wife, in Who’s Who
h) by Valeric Plame attending a meeting with Uncleared State Department personnel in 2002, and telling them she not only was an employee of the CIA, but also Joe Wilson’s wife; it was this information, that was used later onto write up the State Department memo, that was circulated around the White House and the State Department; and it was from this memo, that Armitage leaked to Robert Novak, and it is from this memo, that Libby and others in the White House found out about Plame’s connection to Wilson and his trip overseas.
i) Valerie Plame attended a meeting, between her husband and several journalists, while attempting to get his “story” of “twisted intel” and the “forgeries” (since proven to be completely bogus!) out, where her connection to events was discussed, and an open secret
j) by falsly claming, that she, Valerie Plame, had nothing to do with her husband’s trip to Niger, and that the trip came as a result of the VP’s office; when in fact, the historical and documented record NOW show, that in fact, Valerie Plame suggested her husband for the trip, PRIOR to the VP’s office ROI getting over to the CIA
The bottomline is this Rick; if I, was an active CIA employee, and along with my wife, colluded with Leftist Journalists and Democrats, to undermine the President of the United States, and Foreign Policy, based upon a web of lies and deceit, I would EXPECT…nay HOPE, that not only would I be “exposed”, but I would hope to hades that I would be PROSECUTED to the FURTHEST EXTENT OF THE LAW!
That is what SHOULD happen!
But President Bush, and his incompetent advisors, think that they are playing nice, and non-partisan, and “above the fray”, by not relentlessly attacking their domestic enemies, in the brutal fashion that the Clinton’s made an art form!
It’s a shame, by their inaction, and incompetence, and refusal to see the true nature of how really evil and devious their Leftist Democratic enemies are, who have no standards, no morals, no ethics, and most of all, no care for America, Bush and his Administration have actually been complicit in the outright sedition and treason of people like Plame and Wilson and the Democrats in places like the State Department and the CIA, who have leaked countless secrets VITAL to national security, the GWOT and our fight against the Jihadis!
THAT is the true shame of this matter, which has not only eroded out abilities to fight this evil enemy of Islamofascism, but it has alo undermined the ability of future President’s to fight the Jihadis, the tools they’d have to use to do that, it’s undermined the moral of our Troops in battle, and it’s undermined the faith of the American people in their Military, and the Administration.
It’s a Keystone Kops Komedy of errors, and Bush and Rove and the other clueless ones, have only enabled their Leftist enemies in this. It just disgusts me to no end….
1:24 pm
It’s ironic when a bully calls someone immature, it’s chilling when they make threats, and it’s indicative of possible psychosis when they are unaware, if not in denial, about such behavior.
1:37 pm
For someone who was in the Intelligence comunnity, Larry Johnson always seems to be
rather hyperbolic and slightly unhinged. It would seem to me that an intelligence operative
would be sober and circumspect. If he is indicative of those who serve in the IC then
we know why the IC produces very little reliable intelligence.
1:51 pm
What got lost in the leak scandal, is that Libby provided the official confirmation for Richard Armitage’s mention of Plame’s possible CIA status. Any reputable publication requires confirmation from at least two sources for controversial information. Robert Novak could not have published the allegation without Libby’s confirmation.
Joe and Valerie Wilson are the real patriots. They are the ones above ideology, capable of working for presidents of both parties. They saw the dangerous incompetence that has become the trademark of the Bush administration and tried to do something about it.
If a lone Italian operative, just looking to make a few bucks at the end of the month, can fool the top “intelligence” agencies, we have much more serious things to worry about:
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/unmovic/2003/0308someevid.htm
2:22 pm
Joe and Valerie Wilson are the real patriots. They are the ones above ideology, capable of working for presidents of both parties.
Being a patriot like Joe and Val sure pays well. Book deals, movie rights, speech fees – one could almost say they’re self aggrandizing lickspittles. But I won’t.
3:03 pm
Tom Said:
Joe and Valerie Wilson are the real patriots. They are the ones above ideology, capable of working for presidents of both parties.
Dude put the crack pipe down and back slowly away from it. Joe and Valerie both committed perjury before congress; Valerie acted 100% out of democrat partisan politics when she sent her husband to Niger to produce a false account of Niger’s relations with Iraq. It is the Wilson’s who should have been convicted of perjury not Libby.
3:41 pm
“This is looking more and more like the Bush administration’s domestic version of Iraq: a big risky gamble, based on wishful thinking and nonexistent administrative competence that will end in disaster?â€
-May16th Kausfiles from slate magazine.
Dead on analogy for this debacle. The only way Bush can cement his legacy as the dumbest president in history is with Domestic Iraq. He wants to mess up our country like he has messed up our foreign policy.
We have to secure the borders over there so we don’t have to secure em over here. Where can I sign up to secure Iraq’s borders??
http://www.slate.com/id/2166678/
3:42 pm
So, which part of Joe Wilson’s account was false then? If it was false, why go through so much trouble to trash him? Just curious.
3:54 pm
Dude put the crack pipe down and back slowly away from it. Joe and Valerie both committed perjury before congress; Valerie acted 100% out of democrat partisan politics when she sent her husband to Niger to produce a false account of Niger’s relations with Iraq. It is the Wilson’s who should have been convicted of perjury not Libby.
You are a liar and a terrorist fopr allowing the administartion to out a ‘covert agent’. Did you read correctly: COVERT AGENT! The CIA seems to thinks she was covert, shooter wouldn’t have outed her if she were not covert, russert wouldn’t be sweating his @ss off if she were not covert. I mean it goes on and on. Why can’t you drop the kool-aid long enough to simply read the facts? They are simply facts. They are not there to hurt your king – simply to provide FACTS.
6:13 pm
The opening paragraph that implies that Rove, Cheney and Libby sat around and decided to out Plame to discredit Wilson is wrong.
The facts are that Wilson was telling people that Cheney sent him and everyone was trying to figure out who sent the unqualified idiot.
His wife sent him…very covert of her.
6:31 pm
“Robert Novak could not have published the allegation without Libby’s confirmation.”
IIRC, Libby never spoke to Robert Novak about this matter. Novak’s two confirming sources were Richard Armitage and Karl Rove (with the addition of Hadley at CIA).
6:53 pm
Correction to my post:
Should read Harlow instead of Hadley. Sorry.
7:36 pm
It’s amusing when the Left does the ‘king tirade’ and the way GWB drives the Left insane.
I don’t agree with the Bushhate but it’s amusing to witness how they so easily cave to their paraonia, it’s better entertainment than Jack Nickolson in ‘The Shining’.
It’s like invasion of the inverted John Birchers on LSD.
7:42 pm
I’m sorry, but a “finding” by the fox, that the hen house had no chickens, doesn’t impress me. Let’s have corroborated book, chapter and verse from neutral sources that tell me Ms Plame was covert and needed some sort of protection.
Did Val pitch a hissy when hubby opened his big mouth? Did anyone think that the anti-Bush hacks over at CIA would do anything but release something that makes Bush and company look bad? And what the hell does this have to do, anyway with what the great scape goat Libby gets as a sentence.
The silliness continues.
10:02 pm
You are fair Rick about Libby deserving his jail time, but, Larry might have been wrong about Rove being indicted, but Rick, Rove went to the grand jury 5 times! Does that fact have any relevance to you? Dale In Atlanta is a guy who thinks that anyone who doesn’t worship at the altar of GWB and his Iraq War Policy is a weak surrender monkey. I guess than my 84 year old dad, a WW2 vet, who received the Bronze Star for action during the Battle of the Bulge, who thinks the invasion of Iraq was the stupidest thing this country ever did, must be weak according to Dales views. And Dale, I’d put my money on Larry Johnson, any day of the week.
10:58 pm
Tom said using caps:
You are a liar and a terrorist fopr allowing the administartion to out a ‘covert agent’. Did you read correctly: COVERT AGENT!
Save the lick-spittle guy. You may want redirect it towards Wilson. He’s the one who outed her with that inane NYT op-ed.
12:09 am
You know you’re on the cutting-edge of WingNutWorld when you’ve got ‘Dale in Atlanta’ backing you up while you give credence to the delusions of NorwayGeorge (a/k/a SexySexySexion.)
You, sir, are, indeed, very special.
1:19 am
Ah, Mr. Moran. Ouch! Boy, you certainly deliver a smackdown. We at least agree on one thing—outing a clandestine CIA officer is wrong. If principled conservatives had held to that and fought for that principle we would be on the same side.
Unlike crazies like Tom Maguire, Byron York, Cliff May, Vicky Toensing, I admit that the info from Jason Leopold and Marc Ash was wrong. See, try this on for size, when I’m wrong I admit it. No excuses. No trying to explain it away.
But I challenge you to look at the 800 plus posts I’ve put up over the last two years. I get it right most of the time. Just last week the rightwing extremists went on a rampage about the memo I posted from the US mission in Iraq. Whoops! turns out I was right.
I supported the impeachment of Bill Clinton. I apply the same standard to the Bush Administration. I think lying us into war is at least as serious as lying about a blow job from an intern. If so-called conservatives can’t admit that fact then they are not true conservatives—i.e., interested in truth. Merely partisan hacks.
Thanks for the plug.
LJ
1:27 am
Rick, buddy, one more thing, if you think I live to go on TV you are doing some sort of wonderful mind altering drugs. Frankly, TV is a waste of time. I learned in November 2002 that predicting that going to war in Iraq would be a diversion in the war on terrorsim got Rupert Murdoch’s dander up and he ordered his minions to stop using me. Fine by me.
Obviously you envy your brother and imagine that if only you could get on the tube folks would recognize your brilliance. Good luck. I’ll be happy to forward your name and contact info to some bookers. I’ve learned to follow Nancy Reagan’s advice and, usually, I just say no.
7:03 am
Just last week the rightwing extremists went on a rampage about the memo I posted from the US mission in Iraq. Whoops! turns out I was right.
For values of “right” that include being taken in by poorly faked letterhead. Didn’t you have even a moment’s doubt about it? Didn’t it look the least bit wrong to you?
And if outing a CIA “operative” is wrong, why aren’t you baying for Armitage to face justice?
7:22 am
You stay classy, Larry Johnson.
7:25 am
I know where you are living. You forget that I do work for the European Union and friends in Interpol. I’ve offered you a mature way to deal with this situation. You’re obviously too immature and inexperienced to recognize the offer for what it is. Too bad.
Larry Johnson
Yes…classy.
9:29 am
“R.L.Page Said:
12:09 am
You know you’re on the cutting-edge of WingNutWorld when you’ve got ‘Dale in Atlanta’ backing you up while you give credence to the delusions of NorwayGeorge (a/k/a SexySexySexion.)”
Well, I see reading comprehension is not one of “RL’s” strong points!
I never ‘backed up” Rick, in fact, he and I differ quite dramatically on the whole Plame affair, as I took pains to point out!
I said “nice summation”; but I don’t agree with his views on the subject at all, and made that clear!
As for Seixon, I used to read his Blog, and post there on occasion, I also made the following statement: “I know that story”!
That was it, I never said I believed his story, or didn’t believe it, or make any other comment.
I read Seixon’s Blog for maybe a year; he seemed like a very well-informed, nice young man. He made a lot of good points, and whatever happened to him, he clearly was frightened by it, and I have a tendancy to believe, that SOMETHING “happened” to scare him; no, I don’t think he’s delusional at all.
The PUNK Larry Johnson doesn’t like him, and he has clearly threatened people in the past, so I’m sure that he probably did it to Seixon; but that’s what I’m saying NOW; I didn’t say it in my previous post, you just invented that out of whole cloth, because you had nothing intelligent to add!
Besides, I’ve had “conversations” with certain individuals, inside the “Beltway”, and also inside “Langley” since Larry went on his threatening spree; I forwarded all the appropriate Blog URL’s, and comments in open forums Larry has made, and well as pointed them in a couple of other directions.
They are NOT a “domestic” law enforcement Agency as you know, but of course, it is in their interest to know when one of their former low-level employees, is making threats, and attempting to portray that short, insignificant employment as something other than what it was, especially when he insinuates that he can threaten peoples lives and or well being!
So, unlike “Larry”, I won’t make threats or insinuations in that regard, that Larry is being “watched” or anything like that, I in fact DON’T KNOW, and I don’t WANT to know; but all I will say, is that I did my level best, to bring his nonsense to the attention of people who are in a position to care about what he did, and leave it at that!
Joe Helgerson Said:
10:02 pm
I guess than my 84 year old dad, a WW2 vet, who received the Bronze Star for action during the Battle of the Bulge, who thinks the invasion of Iraq was the stupidest thing this country ever did, must be weak according to Dales views.
Ah YEAH! You can’t believe the number of Leftists, who post, and tell me that they have an uncle, or a dad, or a cousin, who served in WWI, or Korea, or Vietnam, and they disagree with Bush/Iraq, and because of their relative’s prior service, that excuses it all!
Okay, sure, whatever…
Let’s see: my Uncle was killed in Achen, by a Sniper, after the Battle of the Bulge; his Wife and Son are both for the invasion, and the fight against Islamofacists!
My other Uncle, served in Korea for 2 years; DITTO!
I have a total of 5 other Uncles, who served in WWII, Korea, and Vietnam; ALL agree with the invasion of Iraq, and Support the war on terror!
My father was in US Army Aircorps ROTC, and was on track to be a pilot; he was 4F’d out, because he was seriously injured on a summer construction job between college school years, otherwise, he’d have served too! Big deal I guess….but he is wholeheartedly behind the invasion, the President and the war on Islamofascists!
Oh Yeah, I forgot to mention, when my father got 4F’d out of the USAAC, after he recovered, he ended up in “Government Service”, and we as a family spent over 30 years living in Africa and the Middle East, to include: Liberia, Nigeria, Egypt, and Sudan! I do know a little about the subject…
I served in the United States Marine Corps as an Infantry Officer, Light Armored Vehicle Office, and Intelligence Officer, variously! I attended University at the American University in Cairo. I speak Arabic, I’ve spent the last 30 years, analyzing Islamic Fundalmentalism; I’ve forgotten more about it, than Larry ever knew!
I support the President, the invasion of Iraq, and the fight on Islamofascists!
Hmmmmmmmmmm, I see a little pattern here…....
So, tell your father, I honor his service, and I appreciate what he did. He served (IF you are telling the truth), in a meatgrinder, performed bravely, and best of all, he came back home, safe and sound, to raise a family, and I’m proud of him, and happy for him.
I also disagree with his views; that doesn’t make his views any less valid, but neither does it make them any more valid than mine. His service also does not make your views any more valid as well! His service was HIS service, not yours! Your views are your own!
And Dale, I’d put my money on Larry Johnson, any day of the week.
“A Fool is easily seperated from his money!”
LARRY: I’m still here, still waiting for you to threaten ME!
C’mon big guy, you can do it, I know you can!
Any sniveling sycophant of the PROVEN liars Valerie and Joe Wilson, can do it, c’mon!
2:44 pm
Tom:
Off topic comments not allowed.
That and the number of half truths, no truths, and irrational statements – too many that are either laughable falsehoods or simple minded theories – to debunk.
4:47 pm
Off topic? WTF!
I counted on the so-called “military professionals” to stop the wing-nut neocons from throwing us off a cliff.
My bad.
8:49 am
I don’t get it. You get proven totally wrong and you try to misdirect attention from it by criticizing someone for something they said 6 years ago? Then you call them immature? What next, telling all the other girls that your enemy is a skank? Is this a spoof site or something?
10:51 am
I can’t believe I have to spell this out for you. You have to be the densest moron who ever visited this site. I will try to put it in words of less than 3 syllables, ‘kay?
Larry Johnson gloats over the fact that people are wrong about Plame. Larry Johnson has no business gloating over anything considering the fact he has been wrong himself on about even larger issues in the past. It is a question of hypocrisy. Not deflecting attention from anything – something I acknowledge straight up front. Or do I have to spell that out for you too.
Now – go away and stop commenting on this site. You are an embarassment to rational thought. You waste my time.
7:43 am
I always here about these alleged lies Joe Wilson was supposed to have told. But I never see them.
For one, he NEVER claimed that Cheney sent him. He admitted in his summer of 2003 article that he never seen the forgeries. And the reporter who claimed that Joe told him that, the same reporter that the Republican dominated (at the time) Senate Intelligence Committee, has issued a retraction stating that Joe had not said that. No wonder Joe told the Committee he had no idea what they were talking about when he was asked.
And ALL the investigations we had into the failed Intelligence all state that Iraq was NOT restarting its nuclear program, and had abandoned it in the early 90’s; and thus was NOT trying to get uranium from Niger. So Wilson was also right on that.
From the SIC Report: (U) The assessment that Iraq “is reconstituting its nuclear program” was not supported by the intelligence provided to the Committee.
From the ISG (Duelfer) Report: Iraq Survey Group (ISG) discovered further evidence of the maturity and significance of the pre-1991 Iraqi Nuclear Program but found that Iraq’s ability to reconstitute a nuclear weapons program progressively decayed after that date.
The Butler Report admits that while “at the time†the Brit’s though Iraq was trying to get uranium; that it was later found that in fact Iraq was not.