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1/19/2008
FINAL PREDICTIONS FOR SC AND NV
CATEGORY: Decision '08, FRED!

If you’ve been following the polls for SC, you know how confusing that race has become. However, let’s go to the geniuses at Pollster.com for a look at what they consider the “endgame:”

For McCain, there is little dispute that he has surged since early December when he was in the low-teens to somewhere in the mid-to-upper 20s today. The sensitive estimator thinks the rate of climb since Iowa has been more rapid that does the blue estimator, but again both put his support between 26.9% and 29.3%.

The “Sensitive estimator” tracks the polls and through a formula, supplies a value based on the numbers. (There is a “Standard Tracking” line that works like the RCP averages). The sensitive estimator reflects a bounce for Huckabee out of Iowa that has ebbed slightly while McCain’s numbers took off in December and have kept climbing.

As for the others:

One big question in South Carolina is whether conservative criticism of both Huckabee and McCain is having any effect. If Thompson is benefiting from that, his polls only modestly show it. The sensitive estimate suggests a rise from about 10% to about 14%, but there is no polling evidence for a surge that would allow him to compete for first place.

Finally, Romney’s Michigan win seemed to help him in Nevada (based only on 3 polls, I should add) but there is no evidence of a bounce in South Carolina. After spending Wednesday and part of Thursday in the state, Romney appeared to concede the race and moved on the Nevada to campaign, where his chances look better. The Romney trends are also in complete agreement: No substantial trend, and both agree on 16%.

Based solely on the polling then (and this is not the best predictor of what is going to happen) it appears that there is some separation between McCain/Huckabee and Romney/Thompson with the former group in the mid to high 20’s and the latter in the mid-teens.

But for a variety of reasons, all we can do is use this data as a starting point. As many as 1 in 5 Republican voters are undecided as of this weekend with another third who may switch their votes.

Pollster.com points out that those undecideds in Iowa and Michigan broke decisively for the eventual winner which is why I think McCain will win going away. There is also the matter of Huckabee whose late gaffes regarding the confederate flag and some comments about the Constitution and religion may have hurt him slightly.

However, the Huckster probably has enough juice to hold off Thompson for second place.

And Fred? I think he surges past Mitt but comes up short, still finishing relatively strong.

SOUTH CAROLINA PREDICTIONS

1. McCain (29-33%)
2. Huckabee (19-23%)
3. Thompson (15-19%)
4. Romney (13-17%)
6. Giuliani (5-9%)
7. Paul (5-9%)

I think there is a chance a sizable number of undecideds will break for Fred rather than Huckabee or Romney. That may be enough to push Fred into second place but it is a long shot – say 10-1.

No polls out really reflect what has been happening the last 48 hours of the race so all of this might be totally off. But I’m not paid to be right, I’m paid to give it my best shot. And there you have it.

As for Nevada, the Republican race appears pretty straightforward. The Pollster.com guys point out there really haven’t been enough polls to draw any conclusions in which one could feel confident. I would agree except that despite McCain’s popularity in the state, that doesn’t necessarily translate into Caucus goers. We have the same situation we had in Iowa. Romney’s got a great organization in place and has visited the state several times – including the last two days. McCain has some enthusiasm and not much else.

Unlike Iowa where Huckabee had a network of churches and Fair Tax enthusiasts to get his people to the Caucuses, McCain has virtually nothing. So give this one to Mitt going away:

NEVADA CAUCUSES (GOP)

1. Romnney 31%
2. McCain 22%
3. Thompson 15%
4. Huckabee 13%
5. Giuliani 11%
6. Paul 6%

The Democratic race is a true muddle. Hillary probably hurt herself by suing to keep shift workers from caucusing. Obama probably stepped in it with his comments on Reagan. And like the Republicans, there just haven’t been enough polls to determine trends.

Some in the Netroots are reporting that there appears to be a late Obama surge. Take that with a grain of salt and a dose of wishful thinking. I think the race has been pretty static with Hillary holding a slight lead and Obama well within striking distance. Anything could happen and probably will (except an Edwards win).

I have no confidence at all in this prediction:

NEVADA DEMOCRATIC CAUCUS

1. Hillary Clinton 42%
2. Barack Obama 39%
3. John Edwards 14%
4. Dennis Kucinich 4%

Neither candidate helped or hurt much by the results, regardless of how it goes.

I really, really wish that there was evidence that Fred Thompson would do better than I’m predicting but I can’t find any. The latest ARG poll has Fred moving from 13% to 21% which I think is about right – an 8 point surge. But I don’t think he was starting at 13% – he was in single digits in late December and early January. So for Fred, a nice try but he will come up short.

Will he go on? I’m sure he will. Thanks to a pick up in fundraising, Fred can continue until after Super Tuesday when I’m sure all but the top two candidates – probably McCain and Romney – will reassess their chances.

UPDATE

Byron York writes what is almost an obituary for Thompson:

The RealClearPolitics average of polls in South Carolina has Thompson virtually tied with Mitt Romney for third place, well behind John McCain and Mike Huckabee. Most observers view this state as Thompson’s last stand, although his aides say simply that they don’t know what’s coming next. If he does leave the race, there will be lots of suggestions that he didn’t really want to run, that he didn’t have the taste for the frenetic campaigning that wins presidential primaries. No one beyond Thompson himself knows the answer to the first question, but there’s no doubt the latter is true; throughout the campaign, Thompson showed great impatience with some of the ridiculous demands presidential campaigns place on candidates. But on those occasions when he put himself into it fully, as he did at the Embassy Suites on Friday, Thompson left supporters wanting more — and wishing they had seen this months ago.

Thompson always seems most animated and most passionate when he talks of saving the Reagan coalition and battling for the “heart and soul” of the Republican party. These themes seem to hit him at a gut level and I wish he had drawn his campaign around them rather than his early emphasis on the danger to the country because of the growing menace of out of control entitlement programs and deficits.

But no use going back. The campaign is now what it is and nothing can change that. The candidate has found his voice and his themes. But it may not be enough.

UPDATE II: INTRADE

The markets are swinging decisively to Huckabee today. Not quite sure what to make of that except that if true, Fred drops considerably – down to 4th and the low teens for his support. That would finish his candidacy.

UPDATE III

It’s AP calling it for Mitt in Nevada. CNN will wait for raw numbers (do they see something screwy in the entrance polls?)

Dem race still to close to call.

Meanwhile, Ed Morrissey reports on the ARG poll that shows Huckster winning handily and Fred breaking the 20 pt barrier. (Note the huge jump between Thursday and Friday for Huck from 23% to 33%.)

ARG called the Dem primary in New Hampshire in their last poll: Obama 41% Hillary 30%.

Just sayin.

By: Rick Moran at 8:58 am
13 Responses to “FINAL PREDICTIONS FOR SC AND NV”
  1. 1
    ajmontana Said:
    9:16 am 

    I’m keeping my fingers crossed for Fred, a win and the media will or should give him the coverage he deserves and when he gets that like Huckty Dumpty did after Iowa the voters will listen to Fred and we got em.

  2. 2
    Bill Mitchell, Raleigh, NC Said:
    10:19 am 

    HERE IS MY SHOCKING PREDICTION:

    Before I give this, let me express my gratitude that God himself obviously does NOT want McCain to be the Nominee. I mean, when was the last time it SNOWED in SC and it does it exactly on the day of the Primary when most of McCain’s support is moderates (who rarely vote in bad weather) and older veterans (who rarely vote in bad weather).

    Ok, Huckabee wins. Weather or no, expect Evangelicals to show up in busloads to vote for their guy. Surprisingly, McCain places THIRD behind Romney! Thompson is finished.

    Romney wins NV by double-digits.

  3. 3
    Sister Toldjah Trackbacked With:
    10:45 am 

    The SC primary and Nevada caucuses (UPDATE 3: PROBLEMS AT SOME POLLING LOCATIONS IN SC, UPDATE 4: RON PAUL CLAIMS “INCONSISTENCIES” IN NV CAUCUS PROCESS - REQUESTS GOP CAUCUS BE POSTPONED)...

    Today’s the big day in both South Carolina and Nevada for voters in each state to go out and vote for the candidate they feel should have the right to represent their party in the general elections.
    The Nevada Republican party caucus starts at …

  4. 4
    zwhite Said:
    11:04 am 

    The intrade bounce for Huck is most likely due to the American Research Group poll that came out today showing Huck up by 7.

  5. 5
    Bill Mitchell, Raleigh, NC Said:
    2:30 pm 

    Well, it looks like Romney could win Nevada by as much as 30 Points! Holy cow! At this point, McCain may actually LOSE to Ron Paul!

    The fact that this election is becoming ABOUT THE ECONOMY, that plays very well into Romney’s hands.

    Wow, Romney is just CRUSHING in Nevada.

  6. 6
    Bill Mitchell, Raleigh, NC Said:
    2:32 pm 

    From what I have been hearing, the SC weather thing thus far is mostly a rain event.

    We’ll see. Romney may still squeeze out a second place.

  7. 7
    Rick Moran Said:
    2:32 pm 

    You’re going nutzo with 4% of the vote in?

    Get a grip.

  8. 8
    Stop The ACLU » Blog Archive » Predictions for South Carolina Tonight Pinged With:
    3:48 pm 

    [...] Overall, I am going to agree with my fellow wishful thinker friend, Rick Moran. Late breaking undecideds could push Fred into the second place spot, yet the odds are unlikely. Fred ends up with a clean third place spot and it will be enough to keep in the game till Super Tuesday. So in this scenario we end up seeing McCain take South Carolina with a win, followed by Dukakabee, and a clean third for Fred. [...]

  9. 9
    Bill Mitchell, Raleigh, NC Said:
    6:07 pm 

    Rick,

    Ok, I apologize. With 95% of the vote in, Romney leads McCain by 39 points instead of just 30.

    Feel better? Assuming of course that being embarrassingly wrong makes you feel good.

  10. 10
    Rick Moran Said:
    6:11 pm 

    Insulting the host (me) is never a good idea. It is going to get you banned.

    And yes – it is childish and idiotic to get so excited when 4% of the vote has been counted. I don’t care what the eventual result was. Anyone who flies off half cocked with so few votes counted deserved to be slapped down.

  11. 11
    Unpartisan.com Political News and Blog Aggregator Trackbacked With:
    6:50 pm 

    Negativity Reigns Again In South Carolina…

    Fred Thompson and Mike Huckabee have been taking shots at one another in the week leading up to Satu…

  12. 12
    syn Said:
    11:00 pm 

    I just returned from SC after spending three days getting out the vote only to discover that the majority of voters (with the exception of extreme evangelicals in the north part of the state who have been hypnotized by the serpent’s tongue and had a crap-load of Satan’s poll pushers) had absolutely no idea who they were voting for.

    Most all really like Fred (more than Romney who apparently has had his own evangelical on the payroll in SC getting out the vote) but they just weren’t sure he could win.

    SC voters voted by what the Polls has been telling who to vote for and the results reflect this fact.

    Look at the exit polls. How did McCain take most the military vote after McCain has basically accused our fine military of torturing at Gitmo and even more bizarre, McCain took the majoirty of pro-abortion supporters!

    Perhaps Fred would have greater numbers if he would have just betrayed Conservatism by accusing the troops of using torture and by being a pro-choice candidate who supports Al Gore’s Greenie fad?

    Or in other words if he spoke like a Democrat.

  13. 13
    Brainster Said:
    11:03 pm 

    Sorry that Thompson didn’t get the other ticket out of South Carolina instead of Huck. What do you think of Giuliani’s pathetic finishes (sixth in both SC and Nev)? Stunning. I think McCain’s pulled the rabbit out of the hat.

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