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2/9/2008
WHY I AM SICK TO DEATH OF BOTH PARTIES

A while back, I got fed up with the stupidity of the Republican party and disassociated myself from its intolerance, corruption, and milquetoast adherence to conservative principles.

That didn’t mean I would not support or vote for Republicans. Only that I was no longer a “party man.” No longer would I stretch my conscience and principles to defend those who failed so miserably in acting on their supposed beliefs while stinking up the Capitol with their pork happy spending, their deviant personal peccadilloes, and hypocritical actions on a wide range of issues from immigration to earmarks . I was comfortable with that decision then as I am now.

In fact, the recent tantrums thrown by many over John McCain’s candidacy and inevitable nomination has reinforced my decision ten fold. Party activists have proven themselves just as blind, just as arrogant, just as stupid as GOP politicians – perhaps more so. Taking action by sitting home on election day that will insure the election of a Democratic president and Democratic lawmakers who will seek nothing less than a political realignment of the country is beyond madness, beyond suicide.

I refuse to follow those of you who insist that it is a viable option to deliberately allow the election of Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama, thinking that they will make the American electorate so angry that a victory by “true” conservatives in 2012 will be a cakewalk. This is not an option. It is delusional. It is equally ridiculous to suppose that conservative sabotage of a McCain candidacy will somehow strengthen our position within the party. Like the old joke about the pope giving advice on a couple’s sexual problems – “You no playa the game; you no maka the rules.” How much influence did sitting out the 2006 election get those of you who chose not to vote? You sure showed ‘em, didn’t you?

I regret to inform my friends who are taking this tack, but my self destructive behavior only extends to eating too much red meat and smoking.

I know exactly where these people are coming from. It’s not that I am insensate to their abhorrence of Mr. McCain. The Arizona senator will see to it that conservatives are largely frozen out of policy and personnel decisions. If he doesn’t do that, the media will be all over him for not living up to his label as a “maverick.” Judging by many of his campaign aides, I fully understand the anger directed at him.

But it cannot be said enough that elections are about choices. And politics is a business that is bound to break your heart if you live it long enough. This is why cynicism is so dominant among the pros and political press. Unless you drop your silly illusions about ideological or personal purity of one candidate or another, you will end up like those who are stomping their feet like three year olds and refusing to come when mommy calls.

Here’s a toddler who has the routine down pat:

I’m deeply disappointed the Republican Party seems poised to select a nominee who did not support a Constitutional amendment to protect the institution of marriage, who voted for embryonic stem cell research to kill nascent human beings, who opposed tax cuts that ended the marriage penalty, and who has little regard for freedom of speech, who organized the Gang of 14 to preserve filibusters, and has a legendary temper and often uses foul and obscene language.

“I am convinced Sen. McCain is not a conservative, and in fact, has gone out of his way to stick his thumb in the eyes of those who are. He has at times sounded more like a member of the other party. McCain actually considered leaving the GOP in 2001, and approached John Kerry about being Kerry’s running mate in 2004. McCain also said publicly that Hillary Clinton would make a good president. Given these and many other concerns, a spoonful of sugar does not make the medicine go down. I cannot, and I will not vote for Sen. John McCain, as a matter of conscience.

How will your conscience feel, Mr. Dobson, when gay marriage is the law of the land? Or embryonic cell research is federally funded and widespread. Try putting this on your conscience; it will be your fault.

Better yet, how will it feel to watch our boys coming home from Iraq while al-Qaeda dances in the streets with glee before moving back into places that many of our soldiers paid the ultimate price to clean them out in the first place? How does re-imposition of the Fairness Doctrine grab ya, Doc? You’d be off TV quicker than you could say “equal time.”

And how long would it take for your head to explode before a Hillbama administration named a couple of Supreme Court Justices who would laugh in your face if you suggested overturning Roe v Wade?

Your choice was to allow this to happen. My choice is to prevent it at all costs. Who holds the moral upper hand here, Doc? Whose position would end up being best for America?

But its not about America. It’s about selfishness. It’s about the arrogant belief that your conscience is more important than the future of the country. That’s one helluva conscience you’ve got there, Doc. Why not feed it a little more self-inflated ego and top it off with a little moral blindness while you’re at it.

And lest you think Republicans are the only ones with arrogant sophists, how about this bit of idiocy from Chris Bowers of Open Left:

If the institution that exists to resolve disputes within the American center-left does not operate according to democratic principles, then I see no reason to continue participating within that institution. If that institution fails to respect democratic principles in its most important internal contest of all—nominating an individual for President of the United States—then I will quit the Democratic Party. And yes, I am perfectly serious about this. If someone is nominated for POTUS from the Democratic Party despite another candidate receiving more poplar support from Democratic primary voters and caucus goers, I will resign as local precinct captain, resign my seat on the Pennsylvania Democratic State Committee, immediately cease all fundraising for all Democrats, refuse to endorse the Democratic “nominee” for any office, and otherwise disengage from the Democratic Party through all available means of doing so.

Holy Jesus could this guy act any more like a 13 year old drama queen? Forget about the personal preference of a superdelegate – who after all was given the power by the party to act in just such a situation that exists with Hillary and Obama. What matters is that he follow “intra-party democracy.”

Bowers wants elected Democrats who make up the large majority of Superdelegates to forswear their own judgment of who the best nominee for the party might be in favor of voting for whoever has the most delegates or votes come convention time. One might note that it would be entirely possible for one candidate to have a majority of primary votes while the other had a majority of delegates – a dilemma Bowers can’t comprehend in his tiny, narrow version of “democracy.”

So much for “intra-party” democracy – especially since, most undemocratically, Bowers wants to force people to vote for a candidate based on entirely arbitrary and capricious criteria. What about electability? What about personal preference and judgment? These things don’t exist in Bower’s democracy because they would likely lead to a result he opposes.

One party’s base will refuse to vote for a candidate because it troubles their conscience. The other because the process might favor one candidate over another. Two parties. Two ideologies. Two polar opposite reasons to stay home on election day.

But one bunch of spoiled brats.

Michelle Malkin has the only principled option for those who believe they cannot support McCain but refuse to allow a Democrat to sit in the Oval Office; stay calm, stay rational, keep your powder dry, and use your support as leverage to try and alter the direction of the McCain campaign. She approvingly quotes See-Dubya:

Conservatives’ one card left to play is whether we endorse McCain or not. Why should we show it now? If all conservatives declare unanimously against him, pledging undying hostility and staking our reputations on opposing the guy, well, he may decide (as we did with him when he and his partisans like Lindsey Graham and Juan Hernandez fumed about us) that we mean what we say.

Likewise, if we all fall into line, even grudgingly, well, we’re taken for granted…But if we keep our cards close to our chest, McCain still has to work for our vote. He can’t take us for granted and he dare not alienate us any more…

…Just to clarify, I’m not telling you whether to vote for him or not. I see the arguments on both sides. My point is that whether you wouldn’t vote for McCain if he was the last Republican on earth, or if you’ll probably just pinch your nose and pull the handle anyway, or whether you’re genuinely undecided, it’s in the interest of conservatives everywhere to act as if you could possibly be won over by credible and verifiable movement to the right on McCain’s part…Oh, and when pollsters ask you who you’re voting for, tell them you’re undecided.

I don’t agree with the strategy but I think it a defensible position to take and at least has the advantage of being based on principle and not the personal pique of a selfish adolescent mind.

I care about the outcome in Iraq. I care about staying on the offense in the War on terror. I care about the danger of Iran. I care about getting conservative judges on the bench. I care about tax cuts, entitlement reform, drastically reducing earmarks, preventing mandated health insurance, and 100 other things that a Hillbama Administration would do or fail to do.

Those who intend to sit at home in order to assuage their “conscience” can go to the devil. With so much at stake, sticking your head in the sand, hoping that this will win conservatives power and influence in the Republican party is a ludicrous strategy and will only end up setting the conservative cause back years if not decades.

The choice in November will be between a wildly imperfect John McCain and a Democrat. Not much of a choice to be sure but a clear one nonetheless. And if you’re an adult, an easy one.

UPDATE

Regular readers of this site may recall that about the time Fred Thompson dropped out of the race, I said that if Fred weren’t nominated, I might not vote in November.

It’s true that I wrote it. But further reflection (and getting farther away emotionally from my investment in Thompson) showed me the error of my ways and I have since adopted my current position of purchasing one of these gadgets to assist me in the most unpleasant task of punching the hole next to McCain’s name on election day.

Many of you are probably a little upset at my language, thinking that a more moderate tone would be more conducive to changing people’s minds.

That’s a laugh. My language is not meant to persuade but to chastise. To believe that any of you close minded, stubborn as a mule conservatives would change their minds and vote for McCain is laughable. Might as well try to lever the earth as alter the universal constant of the extremist’s position once his mind is made up.

By: Rick Moran at 5:32 pm
30 Responses to “WHY I AM SICK TO DEATH OF BOTH PARTIES”
  1. 1
    Davebo Said:
    6:41 pm 

    So let’s review.

    I’m no longer a Republican.

    I don’t like the Republican nominee.

    I’m voting for the Republican nominee.

    Ok…

  2. 2
    Rick Moran Said:
    6:44 pm 

    As opposed to:

    I am a Republican.

    I don’t like the Republican nominee.

    I will help elect a Democrat by staying home on election day.

    OK?

  3. 3
    Judo Said:
    7:18 pm 

    McCain might just be what we need to get the party in line. His straight talk that he brags about should be brought up continuously. Lets start with the Constitution that he will swear to uphold. Screams from the public that something is unconstitutional would be a welcoming sight. How about funding the arts? The federal government in the school system? Judges making the laws? Hold him by the back of his neck up to the Constitution that he swears to uphold.

  4. 4
    Rev. Ray Dubuque Said:
    10:44 pm 

    For a cure to your “sickness” compare http://JesusNoRepublican.Org/ and
    http://JesusNoDemocrats.Org/

  5. 5
    Allahpunditredux Said:
    11:03 pm 

    Rick,

    I’ve said this often but if it so distasteful for a conservative to vote for McCain they should have one question beside all others before making a choice.
    That simply is “Which candidate can I have the most confidence in that our military will be used wisely, armed, equipped and trained and not run based on polling numbers?”

    If they can honestly say Obama or Hillary is more reliable I respect that. If not and they still choose not to vote they deserve scorn for abandoning the welfare of our military because they are too immature to do otherwise.

  6. 6
    RichmondG30 Said:
    11:07 pm 

    I hate McCain.

    I will vote for McCain in November.

  7. 7
    Rick Moran Said:
    11:28 pm 

    Appleseed:

    Your comment was deleted for its misogyny and its insulting tone.

    Nice try with the sockpuppet, moron.

  8. 8
    tHePeOPle Said:
    3:14 am 

    For as long as I have tried to follow this insanity, I swear to jebus that I still have no idea what Republican actually means.

  9. 9
    Dale Said:
    8:52 am 

    Okay Repubs that are “prepared to sit it out.” I have the ultimate insult for you.

    You’re acting like far-left liberals! Remember the ones who were so unhappy with Al Gore’s lack of liberal purity that they voted for Ralph Nader? Then, when they saw that their “principled vote” cost them an election and gave the presidency to George Bush, they got their panties in an 8-year bunch.

    And you’re willing to stay home instead of fighting against another Clinton or a candidate whose policies are probably on a par with Nader?

    That’s not principled. At least the lib would jump in a car and go do something. You’re lazy as well as stupid!

  10. 10
    syn Said:
    9:19 am 

    I consider McCain a Liberal War Hawk thus proving my ability that as a Conservative I can unite under a Democrat for the good of the Nation; it also proves without a doubt that I love and support our troops while holding the highest regard for their mission.

    If the other Democrats win at least I won’t be voting for a high Misery Index.

  11. 11
    Pirate’s Cove » Blog Archive » Sorta Blogless Sunday Pinup Pinged With:
    9:30 am 

    [...] Rick at Right Wing Nut House explains why he is sick of both political parties [...]

  12. 12
    S. Knabt Said:
    11:07 am 

    Once upon a time I habitually voted Republican. Ironically, the rise of right-wing talk radio/Fox News cable demagogues like Rush, O’Reilly, Hannity, Liddy, Ingraham, Savage, Gibson, et al turned me against the party. You can add Ann Coulter’s nasty books to that list. While their heavily data-mined populist message led to a great surge in popularity of Republican conservatism, IMHO, they’ve stripped all reason from the party.

    So now I generally, but by no means exclusively, vote Democratic. I’m forced to play the ‘worst of 2 evils’ game in the voting booth. I’d hazard to guess the vast majority of Americans are in the same boat. Obviously, Rick, you’ve been stuck in this rut with the rest of us.

    All that said, characterizing people who can’t stomach voting for any of the candidates as juvenile is wrong. Dr. Dobson says his position is “a matter of conscience.” If he feels that strongly about it then respect it.

    What’s wrong with Chris Bowers stating he’ll disassociate himself with the Democratic Party if the super delegates disenfranchise the popular primary/caucus vote? Why should a handful of party elite be able to overturn the results of rank-and-file party members and Democratic-leaning independents (like myself)? While the Republican Party doesn’t have super delegates, isn’t such a practice an example of the sort of political party corruption that led you to leave in disgust?

    Personally, I’m enjoying the diminished role the above right-wing demagogues are having in nominating a Republican candidate. Listening to a frustrated Ann Coulter at CPAC screeching how the only way she won’t vote for Hillery is if she’s McCains VP pick is hilarious. Even funnier is her comparisons of McCain to Hilter (she reasons Hitler is the better because of his superior tax policies). Rush’s bombast against McCain, while not as amusing, is actually more satisfying. His frustration is palpable as he realizes his influence is about nil. Ditto Sean Hannity’s recent rants.

    Unfortunately for me, I’m sure this setback is only temporary. Despite McCain’s impressive lead in the race to the nomination, there’s little enthusiasm for him. Republican primary/caucus turnout is significantly lower than Democratic turnout, for example. Whether he becomes prez or not, I’m sure the aforementioned demagogues will find plenty of material to rebuild their ‘cred’ over the next 4 years. Still, I can enjoy the moment.

  13. 13
    feeblemind Said:
    12:00 pm 

    I find it very disheartening that party loyalists have tried to ‘persuade’ balky conservatives to vote for McCain with insults and threats. From a psychological angle, people like to help, they don’t like insults, it tends to harden their position. If the loyalists would have just let things cool down for a while and then said to recalcitrant conservatives something like, ‘please, please help us beat the dems this fall…..’, it might have started the mending process for party unity. As it stands the damage has already been done by the loyalists but now at least they have a scapegoat. No matter how badly McCain gets beat this fall it will be the fault of rebellious conservatives. There will be no need for introspection.

  14. 14
    Rick Moran Said:
    12:51 pm 

    Davey Crockett. Appleseed, Righty, and all other sock puppets names you’ve created:

    We don’t allow sock puppets to comment on this website. Are you really that stupid to believe there aren’t ways to determine if the same commenter is using different names?

    The fact that you don’t know this probably means you are about 12 years old. Since this is a place for adult conversation, please run to your mommy and cry to her. Don’t try and comment here again.

  15. 15
    Rick Moran Said:
    1:01 pm 

    FM:

    I am hardly a “party loyalist.” I am loyal to the United States of America and I recognize that a Hillbama presidency would harm the country more than a McCain presidency.

    So the choice is sit home and elect Hillbama which will damage the country and conservatism much, much more than McCain will.

    Not recognizing that elections are about choices and not purity is infantile.

  16. 16
    Rick Moran Said:
    1:04 pm 

    I would also reiterate that I am not trying to persuade anyone. My goal is to chastise.

    I have absolutely no illusions that any of the close minded extremists who have decided to sit home on election day will be persuaded by anything I or anyone else says.

    “Conscience” my ass. We live in a time where you can’t afford a “conscience” if you truly love this country and don’t want to see Hilbama ruin it for decades to come.

  17. 17
    Don L Said:
    1:24 pm 

    Sorry, but I will not continue to encourage more of the same from the GOP. If (the only reason conservatives will still vote for McCain) he were to win and stop Hillary, does anyone in their blooming right mind think for a moment that they will ever again care about conservative priciples? Not on your life -we will just encourage more of the same foul behavior from them, like a battered wife who keeps returning to her abusive spouse.
    I for one will not be to the GOP what the blacks have become to the democrats -puppets who allow their party to destroy their dignity -Hillary be damned. As if slow poison isn’t poison anymore.

  18. 18
    Don L Said:
    1:30 pm 

    Just an after thought -To refer to difference of thought and principled opposition as “temper tantrums” reduces the hell out of any value your arguement may have. It is a fundamental characteristic of the left to attack the messenger when they don’t like the message – it’s a shame to see coming so much lately from the right. Then again “winning at any cost” is also a fundamental characteristic of the left -it’s another shame to see it coming so much lately from the right.

  19. 19
    syn Said:
    2:39 pm 

    S.Knabt

    How could you have been habitually voting Republican all those years but left and started voting Democrat because of those various talk-radio hosts when talk radio has only been around since the early 1990’s and that was when Rush was the only one in talk radio?

    In any case, I was one of those who prior to 9/11/2001 believed ‘Rush was a right-wing nutcase out to destroy America’ even though I never once listened to his show; around 2003 I started to listen to the guy and he made sense. Further itwas just a couple of weeks ago that I started tuning into Mark Levin because so many of those FOX news pundit guys stopped making any sense to me.

    Further your fallacy in thinking that McCain is ahead because Republicans are voting for him in the primaries is clearly not the case as indicated by the low numbers of Republican voters turning out for him.

    Moderate/independent voters have grown so used to each party pandering to their vote that they don’t know what it means reach out to others; McCain is the party of moderates/independents, you are the base now so learn how to bring us into your fold to support your candidate rather than demanding we need to lock-step under your candidate.

    That said; you sound just like I did back before 9/11/2001, so I suppose my tuning into talk radio evens out your leaving.

  20. 20
    The Return Of Scipio » Forced To Choose Pinged With:
    2:49 pm 

    [...] All this can be summed up by one commenter over at Right Wing Nuthouse: I hate McCain. I will vote for McCain in November. [...]

  21. 21
    S. Knabt Said:
    3:08 pm 

    “Hillbama”? Now that name-calling is “infantile.” “We live in a time where you can’t afford a ‘conscience’”? Wow, how sad you believe this.

    It’s funny, Rick. You thump your chest “I am hardly a ‘party loyalist.’ I am loyal to the United States of America…” I’m sure in your own mind dumping your Republican Party membership solidifies this. However, your arguments sound an awful lot like the stale old team sports politics many Americans, including myself, have grown tired of.

    I particularly note your quote “...if you truly love this country and don’t want to see Hilbama ruin it for decades to come.” It reminds me of the tired ‘liberals hate America’ hyperventilation preached by the far-right (e.g., talk radio, Fox News, etc.) that has pretty much become a joke.

    The right-wing demogogues I mentioned in my previous comment, despite holding a huge megaphone, have had no significant effect in the primaries. Personally, as an American, I view that as a positive turn. Hopefully, the Republican Party will be pulled from the clutches of extremists and returned to the mainstream.

  22. 22
    steveegg Said:
    6:12 pm 

    Every time I think I’m out, even temporarily, I’m pulled back in; I had decided to try and not deal with national politics until Wednesday. I know what you’re saying; I’ve been told much the same by the Cheddarsphere’s pro operator, Brian Fraley.

    The most-important part is that we do not stay home. Whether it is McCain or Hillbama, the absolute worst thing that can happen is the ‘Rats (whether they have the “D” or “R” behind their name) maintain or grow their control of Congress. Trying to get a conservative Congress is now my main goal for November.

    I even agree in part with the “hold the nose” analysis, especially with regard to the War on Terror. My big question on that is, would McCain get unconditional surrender out of the Islamists in 4 (I doubt it would be 8) years? That’s essentially how long we will have if we’re lucky; if we’re unlucky, it’s 11 months.

    However, those who are saying to suck it up lose me when they say that McCain will nominate better judges than Hillbama. We will likely have “like-for-like” replacements out of McCain, especially if the ‘Rats maintain control of the Senate. Remember the Gang of 14? Its entire purpose was to attempt to stop the replacement of liberal judges with conservative ones. As for who Hillbama will put on the bench, we know it will be liberals all the way; the thing is it is likely only 2 liberals will leave SCOTUS by January 2013, so at least at the SCOTUS level, that is not much of a threat.

    Even the remainder of McCain’s limited upside is wholly dependent on a Congress that is not controlled by what I call the bipartisan Party-In-Government. Arguably the two biggest policy successes of the last 16 years, the (temporary) stopping of HillaryCare and the reformation of welfare, came about because of Congress over the objections of the President.

    I have come off my “never” position, even though I have a laundry list of reasons to have gone to the “never” that haven’t been addressed. I’ve been convinced to move to See-Dub’s current position of wait on McCain. I’m a bit more interested in Congress now.

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    The Lady Logician Said:
    6:46 pm 

    Rick – I agree 100%. I posted something on Michelle Malkin’s post about getting fired up and I said something similar and then sent it off to the discussion groups that I belong to and one guy wrote back “how dare you lecture me!” yet all along he had be lecturing us about how the GOP has deserted conservatives and all conservatives need to just stay home on election day.

    I refuse to stand idly by. I will fight on and yet some conservatives are perfectly happy to just roll over and die because they didn’t get their way….

    LL

  24. 24
    Thomas Jackson Said:
    6:51 pm 

    I tire of the chest beating RINOs that tell us that the GOP is too conservative. After 8 years of Bush one wonders exactly where the conservative principles were. One can look at McCain and wonder if bashing capitalism is the way the GOP should go? Perhaps its better to treat terrorists the same way we do shoplifters?
    Maybe we haven’t allowed the government to put its hands deeply enough into the pockets of taaxpayers. Perhaps its the GOPs reactionary stand on the Constitution and we should change to adopt McCains evolutionary Constitution?

    The concept that supporting a McCain somehow allows us the comfort of knowing we will compromise our freedoms at a slower rate than by voting for Hillary seems to be at best illusionary.

    I for one would rather see Osama than McCain. I’d rather have an honest Marxist than a closet one. As McCain has said he has disagreements with conservatives. And I don’t expect him to either listen to us or provide lip service in the future.

    My check goes to Osama.

  25. 25
    Bill Arnold Said:
    8:15 pm 

    I for one would rather see Osama (sic) than McCain. I’d rather have an honest Marxist than a closet one.
    Mmm. My developing impression of BObama is that he’s more of a closet centrist. I’ve seen nothing Marxist in his positions. He isn’t even pushing for universal health care, let alone single-payer health care.
    Same goes for Hillary. She’s pushing for universal but still mostly private health care, but has pretty much ruled out single-payer as politically impossible.
    As far as militarism goes, I would rate Hillary as more militant and less of a pacifist than say Huckabee or Paul.

    We live in a time where you can’t afford a “conscience” if you truly love this country and don’t want to see Hilbama ruin it for decades to come.
    From my POV, it appears that this country’s top-of-the-world greatness is already in intensive care, and that 18th-century physicians are on the case and practicing bloodletting.

  26. 26
    ballistic Said:
    10:06 pm 

    I’m not a party loyalist anymore either. What I think needs to be made clear is that those of us who were Republican party extremists are not voting FOR McCain; were merely voting AGAINST Hillary or Obama or anyone else that crawls out of the Democratic woodwork and any independent candidates also. And we’re voting Republican not because of any deep-seeded loyalty. We’re voting against the Democratic nominee because we know what what he or she will do with the power of the Presidency: he’ll or she’ll wreck the country.

    Contrary to what many think, I think we’re at one of those rare moments where people are going to vote for whom they honesty think will better govern the country. Incredibly, the way we’re forced to make this choice is by being proffered two admittedly regretable but nevertheless distinguishable candidates, one who probably won’t wreck the country (or at least won’t do it deliberately), and the other who absolutely, positively will use every possibly means to wreck the country.

    And I hope to never have to partake in such a selection again for a long time, if ever.

  27. 27
    rightwingprof Said:
    3:08 pm 

    “spoiled brats”

    Indeed. I was at the store earlier today, and a small child started screaming at the top of his lungs, “NOW MOMMY! I WANT IT NOW!” The parallel was impossible to miss.

  28. 28
    Headhunt23 Said:
    10:54 am 

    Rick, with all due respect, you are way out of line on this.

    People can vote, or not vote, for whoever they want to. And, if they don’t think there is an appreciable difference between the two candidates, then they have every right not to vote.

    Besides, your concerns are overwrought. Let’s review:

    1. Gay marriage the law of the land. A little surprised to see you playing this card, although I am sure you will just say you are throwing out Dobson’s fears for him. Anyway, the next president will have absolutely nothing to say about gay marriage being the law of the land. Marriage is a state issue and, short of a constitutional amendment which has no chance of passage, won’t be decided by the federal government.

    2. Stem cell research. You have a point here, but I really don’t care about this issue one way or another.

    3. Unilateral abandonment in Iraq. Ain’t gonna happen. Europe and some of the arab countries posture about our involvment, but if we announced a withdrawl, they would be begging us to stay. Besides, I don’t think that a Dem President really wants to be seen as the reason Iraq descended into chaos after being relatively passive.

    4. Conservative judges. A decent point here, but no pro-life judge is going ot make it thru the confirmation process to replace Ginsburg or Stevens, not with a Democrat congress.

    5. Reimposition of the fairness doctrine? I won’t pretend to be an expert in this, but I would think that the Republicans could just start threatening to impose it on drama TV and movies and the calls for the fairness doctrine would get quiet really quick.

    Anyway, let me ask you this. Which president passed more conservative legislation – WJC or GWB? Clinton, and it isn’t close – welfare reform and NAFTA more than made up for the brady bill and the ‘93 budget agreement. Has Bush even passed anything that offsets NCLB and prescription drugs? I don’t think taxcuts make up for those two. Bush has been a disasterous conservative, and we have another one almost just like him lined up to take his place in McCain. If McCain becomes President, doing all the crap like amnesty he would do in the name of conservativism and the Republican party, we will be in the wilderness for the next 3-4 cycles.

    It is far better to sit on our hands at home then to elect someone who is almost openly hostile to the conservative movement, yet will still be seen by much of the country as carrying the banner of conservatism. I don’t expect ideological perfection – Reagan in Reality is much less than Reagan in our memories after all. But I do not expect to have a second Republican president in a row who claims to be a conservative while breaking almost all of its principles.

    I guess you can bask in the sweet glow of your own self righteousness, railing at those who stayed home while the Republican party gets trounced in November. I’ll be counting the chickens that are coming home to roost.

  29. 29
    Don L Said:
    11:33 am 

    It isn’t the worst of two evils at all -it’s three, the third being the consequences of enabling leftist liberalism to lead the GOP. That is a bigger evil – long range than living with Hillary.

    Your insults in calling our principled choice “tantrums” and threatening us with fear (gay marriage the law of the land?)reeks of the very liberal techniques that solid conservatism abhors.

    I for one will stay with principle and integrity over the slow but just as deadly poison of capitulation of my very deep beliefs in order to win.

  30. 30
    Don L Said:
    7:02 am 

    Does it matter which party is in power?
    Dick Morris just announced (if Hillary unethically beats Obama)that theDemocrats have a perfectly acceptable alternative to vote for in Mccain -unfortunately,traditional conservatives, who have been thrown out of the GOP (unless they wish to work and enter through the back door)
    have no acceptable alternative to vote for.

    Choices :
    1. become part of the vast right wing undervote (skip Mccain and vote for the best newcomers)
    2.Stay home.
    3.form a third party as in conservative© after their names.
    4.drift away from politics as a solution.
    5.sell your priciples, enable RINOism, guarantee permenant snubbism, become the GOP version of black guaranteed votes and vote because is the lesser of two evils.

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