Yesterday, Glenn Greenwald of Salon.Com referred to Michelle Malkin.Com and Michelle’s video blog Hot Air as “hate sites.” His reasoning, as always, is obscure. Evidently, Mr. Greenwald believes that what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. If Michelle Malkin is going to refer to DailyKos as a “hate site” for the thuggish commenters that consistently spout the most outrageous and hateful nonsense about Bush, Cheney, and conservative Republicans then, in the interests of fairness, he should be able to point to comments on Malkin’s sites as examples of similar “hate speech” so that he can triumphantly stick out his tongue and say “So there.”
The problem for Mr. Greenwald is that in his eagerness to smear Michelle Malkin and her blogs, he neglected to mention the elementary fact that Malkin never said anything about the DailyKos commenters on The Factor show that she hosted. Instead, Malkin highlighted remarks by Kos himself (“I feel nothing over the death of mercenaries [sic]. They aren’t in Iraq because of orders, or because they are there trying to help the people make Iraq a better place. They are there to wage war for profit. Screw them.”) as well as those diarists who were featured or recommended. These posts were not “cherry picked” comments as inferred by Mr. Greenwald, although Mr. O’Reilly evidently used that tactic when confronting a spokesman for Senator Clinton.
Since Malkin never used the tactic, Greenwald’s article would appear to be even less relevant than most of his tiresome, overheated rants turn out to be. However, let us give Greenwald his head for the moment and examine his charges.
As the Comment Moderator for her site, Michelle was kind enough to grant me the privilege of posting a response to Mr. Greenwald’s unwarranted attacks on her blog. I do so with pleasure because I am proud of my association with Michelle Malkin and the vast majority of people who have become part of her blogging community.
First, a little history is in order. For nearly 3 years, Michelle Malkin did not allow any comments at all on her site. The reason was simple; liberals, who supposedly pride themselves on their tolerance toward those of different races were leaving the most disgusting, the most nauseatingly racist, bigoted comments imaginable – epithets slung in Malkin’s direction even to this day – and on so-called “respectable” liberal blogs that even Mr. Greenwald would find objectionable if not “hateful.”
A recent site redesign allowed Malkin the opportunity to once again make her blog an interactive site by opening registration for those who wished to obtain commenting privileges. And a privilege it is. The Terms of Use for commenting are explicit:
“I reserve the right to delete your comments or revoke your registration for any reason whatsoever. Rarely will I do so simply because I disagree with you. I will, however, usually do so if you post something that is, in my opinion, (a) off-topic; (b) libelous, defamatory, abusive, harassing, threatening, profane, pornographic, offensive, false, misleading, or which otherwise violates or encourages others to violate these terms of use or any law…”
In addition, above every comment thread, there is an additional disclaimer:
“This section is for comments from michellemalkin.com’s community of registered readers. Please don’t assume that I agree with or endorse any particular comment just because I let it stand.”
I read every comment made on the site and Michelle scans most of them as well. We are pretty ruthless in weeding out the vile, the threatening, the hateful remarks made by both right and left. And yes, we have several dozen liberal commenters on the site who, as long as they behave themselves and comment in a reasonable manner, are allowed to contribute. I sincerely doubt that there are many liberal sites with such a high tolerance for conservative commenters.
For those that can’t follow the Terms of Use, we ban them from commenting. Since comments were opened in mid-June, I have banned at least 3 dozen commenters for various infractions including anti-Muslim bigotry and racism. Michelle has also had to ban several readers for similar reasons. In addition, I have probably deleted a hundred or more comments in the 6 weeks commenting has been allowed, thus giving the lie to Greenwald’s ignorant remarks at the end of his piece:
On a daily basis, Michelle Malkin’s hate sites promote violence, rank bigotry, jihad against Muslim Americans, imprisonment of Democratic Party leaders. The comments are not deleted and are virtually never opposed.
Greenwald’s statement that the comments are “not deleted and are virtually never opposed” is simply not true. The idiocy of this statement is self-evident; how would he know if comments had been deleted or not? Greenwald’s psychic abilities (as well as his curious ability to morph into different personalities in order to comment on other sites) must be truly impressive if he is able to divine the fact that no comments have been deleted on this site. Perhaps he could hire himself out as a stock tout?
Many posts on the site are peppered with warnings from either myself or Michelle to dial back the rhetoric or risk being banned. This is something Greenwald’s crack researcher would have discovered if he spent time examining the blog for something other than his definition of “hate speech.” Indeed, this gets to the nub of the matter; just what does Glenn Greenwald consider “hate” speech?
Glenn Greenwald has a history of redefining terms to suit whatever argument he is making at the moment. This is not unusual – for a liberal. Language and definitions acquire a certain elasticity when in the expert hands of liberal wordsmiths like Greenwald. Hence, his idea of just what constitutes “hate speech” could very well mean one thing in one context and an entirely different thing in another. Would Alex Pareene writing at Wonkette referring to Malkin’s “ping pong balls” cross Greenwald’s threshold of hate speech? Since he failed to take that site to task for their infamy, one would have to assume that particular racist reference gets a pass from the New York Times Best Selling Author as, I imgaine, would other bigoted comments on blog posts directed toward Malkin
However, “Muslims go home!” rates an honored place in Greenwalds Hall of Fame of hate? I am not entirely sure in reading the thread that the comment wasn’t made in jest. Be that as it may, there is something that Greenwald apparently doesn’t understand about debate; not everyone who disagrees with him practices “hate speech.”
“Muslims go home” may prove the ignorance of the commenter but it hardly rises to the level of a hanging offense. Nor do any of the other comments highlighted by Greenwald necessarily reflect anything except a point of view I and many others disagree with. To be brutally honest, hindsight being a 20/20 blessing, I may have erred in not deleting one or perhaps two of those comments. They are borderline and perhaps my sense of their propriety would be different on another day. But I have deleted and banned people for much worse and a little less. Context is everything and taking a comment out of a thread and holding it up as an example of “hate speech” is, as Greenwald himself says, unfair.
Taking comments out of context may be unfair but Greenwald is not doing fair today. He is in attack mode which, given some of the obvious errors and misstatements he made in his article, would necessitate a clarification or two on his behalf. I’m not holding my breath. By lowering the pole to define hate speech on the right while raising it for those on the left, Greenwald proves himself an expert limbo dancer but nothing less than an angry, crass partisan engaging in a smear campaign against Michelle Malkin.
3:14 pm
Glenn Greenwald has a history of redefining terms to suit whatever argument he is making at the moment.
Understatement of the year. I know folks have to respond to this guy, but it must grow tiresome. I don’t really have a huge problem with his political opinions, but his situational distortions and intellectual dishonesty should make any reasonable analyst want to yank out great handfuls of hair.
He basically falls in my “ignore” pile.
3:21 pm
I agree. Last time I mentioned Lambchop was in May.
This instance however, was a direct challenge to the way I do my job. Couldn’t let it pass without tossing a few darts in his direction.
Man, he is a bore…
3:28 pm
I’m a two time Bush voter, still support the war in Iraq, don’t agree with Kos, et cetera – but please either include the ‘Rest of the Story’ when talking about Kos’s ‘Screw them’ comment or stop complaining when the Left doesn’t bother to keep up with the story once it suits their needs.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/4/2/175739/8203
Kos Apologia
Fri Apr 02, 2004 at 02:57:39 PM PDT
There’s been much ado about my indifference to the Mercenary deaths in Falluja a couple days ago. I wrote in some diary comments somewhere that “I felt nothing” and “screw them”.
My language was harsh, and, in reality, not true. Fact is, I did feel something. That’s why I was so angry.
I was angry that five soldiers—the real heroes in my mind—were killed the same day and got far lower billing in the newscasts. I was angry that 51 American soldiers paid the ultimate price for Bush’s folly in Iraq in March alone. I was angry that these mercenaries make more in a day than our brave men and women in uniform make in an entire month. I was angry that the US is funding private armies, paying them $30,000 per soldier, per month, while the Bush administration tries to cut our soldiers’ hazard pay. I was angry that these mercenaries would leave their wives and children behind to enter a war zone on their own violition.
So I struck back.
Unlike the vast majority of people in this country, I actually grew up in a war zone. I witnessed communist guerillas execute students accused of being government collaborators. I was 8 years old, and I remember stepping over a dead body, warm blood flowing from a fresh wound. Dodging bullets while at market. I lived in the midsts of hate the likes of which most of you will never understand (Clinton and Bush hatred is nothing compared to that generated when people kill each other for politics or race or nationality). There’s no way I could ever describe the ways this experience colors my worldview.
Back to Iraq, our men and women in uniform are there under orders, trying to make the best of an impossible situation. The war is not their fault, and I will always defend their honor and bravery to the end of my days. But the mercenary is a whole different deal. They willingly enter a war zone, and do so because of the paycheck. They’re not there for humanitarian reasons (I doubt they’d donate half their paycheck to the Red Cross or whatever). They’re there because the money is DAMN good. They answer to no one except their CEO. They are dangerous, hence international efforts (however fruitless they may be) to ban their use.
So not only was I wrong to say I felt nothing over their deaths, I was lying. I felt way too much. Nobody deserves to die. But in the greater scheme of things, there are a lot of greater tragedies going on in Iraq (51 last month, plus countless civilians and Iraqi police). That those tragedies are essentially ignored these days is, ultimately, the greatest tragedy of all.
That is, to me, a non-weasely apology from Kos regarding the “Screw them”comment.
One which doesn’t happen to fit the narrative ….
3:30 pm
Rick,
I missed my chance to register on MM’s blog.
Any idea when it will open up again?
3:34 pm
My heart would go out to Kos – except that he has made it his life’s work to remove every last vestige of his original comment from the internet.
And it is a convenient apology two years after the fact and after the Dems began to see he and his “community” with dollar signs in their eyes.
No narrative required. It’s there in black and white.
3:50 pm
Rick,
That post I gave was put up by Kos a day or two after the original “Screw them” post, not two years. Really. No tricks, no fudging of server data.
Sure, he made the original ‘Screw Them’ remark – but he soon thereafter both explained himself and apologized and not in a half-assed Ann Coulter manner.
Speaking as a vet, I find Kos’s recharacterization of his enlistment and service to suit his present needs annoying. (Kos’s first take was given here: http://www.bu.edu/alumni/bostonia/2004/fall/partisan/ ) I just think you’re making too much over a comment that Kos has both acknowledged was wrong and one he has publicly apologized for.
But, hey, if you and Michelle can still get rhetorical mileage out of the ‘Screw them’ remark, what’s to stop you?
4:39 pm
You’re an unabashed racist and xenophobe, Moran! jk
Seriously, when people like Greenwald level charges of racism, homophobia, etc., at those with whom he disagrees, he’s simply following leftist doctrine. Throw enough sh*t, and some of it’s bound to stick, right?
When one is a leftist and has the lion’s share of the American punditocracy on their side, one’s accusations are paramount, and the truth be damned if it doesn’t fit the narrative.
5:26 pm
BumperStickerist: I find Kos’ “apology” lacking. It’s not that he “felt nothing” but that he was “angry” ... And it’s obvious that the thing he is most angry about is that these “mercenaries”, an inaccurate term at best, would have the sheer audacity not only to willing go into a war zone, but to make money while doing so.
Don’t get me wrong. Kos saw a dead body once. That alone, I am sure, enables him to absolutely know the motivations and concerns of all civilian contractors in Iraq. He obviously knows, without a shadow of a doubt, that their only singular motivation is money. It is not possible, at all, that they were soldiers who realized they could be doing the same thing but for better money. It is only that they are evil capitalists, profiting off the pain and suffering of others.
Should soldiers be making more money? I think so! But that doesn’t make defense contractors inheriently EVIL. Also, some civilian contractors actually have special forces backgrounds. If I have a contractor who is an ex-SEAL or ex-Delta, has decades of experience, and knows almost all there is to know about counterterrorism and CQB … You’re telling me he should be making the same, or LESS, than a kid just out of basic?
The reason the “apology” is generally ignored isn’t because it doesn’t “fit the narrative”. It’s because it’s not an apology. It’s a diatribe against civilian contractors, and against the Bush administration. I mean, apologies usually include the words, “apologize” or “sorry”. He says neither.
“So not only was I wrong to say I felt nothing over their deaths, I was lying. I felt way too much.” And what did he feel? Anger. At who? THE CONTRACTORS WHO DIED. I mean, REALLY. That’s what you call an apology?
Cuz it’s not what I call one, and my guess is that’s not what Malkin calls one. But it’s what the left (Kos specifically) calls one. And that’s kind of the problem Malkin, O’Reilly, and Moran are trying to point out.
7:39 pm
[...] My excellent comment moderator Rick Moran responds to nutroots accusations that MichelleMalkin.com is a “hate site” based on a few comments. Read the whole thing. [...]
8:23 pm
And it is a convenient apology two years after the fact and after the Dems began to see he and his “community†with dollar signs in their eyes.You can’t check your basic facts, Rick, can you?
1) This apology (which is, in fact, not an apology, but an explanation of his position) was published two days, not two years later.
2) Not only did not Kos “make it his life’s work” to remove that comment from the internets, it’s still there, nothing has happened to it (just search for “screw”).
It took me one minute on Wikipedia to find this link. This “screw them” story is such an important talking point for righties, it’s just baffling how can you be so ignorant of the basic facts in it.
8:26 pm
Rick,
I like iamnot in comment #4 missed the registration window for commenting on MichelleMalkin.com.
When will another opportunity present itself. It is one of several blogs to which I regularly track back from my own blog, the Volunteer Opinion Journal. But, I would like to be able to comment from time to time on Michelle’s blog too.
Any ideas? Thanks
Barry
8:40 pm
My best advice is to watch the site for news of when comment registration will reopen. Michelle has promised that she will open registration again. When, I don’t know.
8:54 pm
[...] I think Rick Moran does a great job moderating the comments on MichelleMalkin.com to weed out anything that might be overtly offensive to the blog’s readers. Michelle’s terms of use are very explicit on what will and will not be allowed. And, I have not noticed any questionable deviation from those terms in my reading. [...]
9:00 pm
With Bush getting pounded in the polls- the conservatives feel the need to lash out at the “leftists”. Malkin, Coulter, O’Reilly are spinning their wheels to try and put Humpty Dumpty (Bush) back together again. It ain’t working folks. Rick even you get pounded by your readers for telling the truth about Iraq. I read Greenwald all the time, I don’t see any of the stuff you hit him with….coincidence..I think not. Daily Kos gets 750,000 hits PER DAY, think there all loony leftists, puh-lease, spare me the faux outrage over that site. Most of the time you speak the truth Rick, other days your far from reality, today is one of them…sorry
9:08 pm
I doubt that the tens of thousands of dead victims in Darfur would (if they could) consider “Muslims Go Home” ...hate speech.
9:39 pm
Wow.
I’ve been reading Michelle’s site for some time now. Never knew about Glenn (what’s-his-name) but heard something about him before.
All I can say is I’m glad I don’t read him.
I consider Michelle Malkin an extraordinary professional journalist.
Not many that I know would come close to her caliber.
9:53 pm
Given the fact that most of those victims are Muslims themselves, your point is kinda hard to understand.
10:02 pm
But, Hell, some people even convinced themselves that it was Muslims that were killing Christians in Rwanda, when in fact it was Christians slaughtering Christians, and the only role of Muslims was giving shelter to Tutsis.
10:46 pm
I read Greenwald all the time, I don’t see any of the stuff you hit him with….coincidence.
Yeah, you need your daily “they suck…..they really, really suck. Therefore, I’m better” that Greenwald provides.
Some folks are needy that way. I doubt you “see” that, either. You miss lots of stuff.
10:52 pm
Sure, he made the original ‘Screw Them’ remark – but he soon thereafter both explained himself and apologized and not in a half-assed Ann Coulter manner.
Half-correct.
At first he came back with a defiant post that challenged his critics with the snarky resolve that the nutroots have come to expect from the diminutive one (keyboards increase machismo….fact!). He ended it with the Kerry “bring them on” mantra, as well.
When that one didn’t go over, he followed up with the obviously contrived “apology”, which went completely against his initial slur and the first attempt at addressing the situation. COMPLETELY. AGAINST.
So, yeah, he eventually “apologized” for saying that his comment, and the post that he published the next day, were the EXACT OPPOSITE of what he ‘really’ felt….two days later.
FWIW, I keep trying that “okay, what I said was really the opposite of what I was really meaning” approach with my wife. Interestingly enough, she doesn’t buy it. And, pun intended on “buy”, since the ‘apology’ kept the blogads coming in, ya know (there was some shaky moments in the 48 hours leading up. Coincidence?).
12:13 am
[...] Meanwhile, Michelle’s comment thread moderator, Rick Moran, explains how they scrub comments the wingnut way over at her twin hate sites: I read every comment made on the site and Michelle scans most of them as well. We are pretty ruthless in weeding out the vile, the threatening, the hateful remarks made by both right and left. [...]
3:09 am
NIKOLAY (#10):
You can’t check your basic facts, Nikolay, can you?
(1) The statement by Rick that you refer to is not from his “basic facts.” It does not appear in his post, it appears in a comment he made to a commenter on his post. His “basic facts” are in his post. You haven’t pointed to one single error in his post.
(2) Comment #6 already made your point about “two years” versus “two days.” Did you even read the other comments before making yours, announcing it (misleadingly) like it was a revelation?
(3) The idea of “fact checking” responses to comments is completely insane. You might as well say you don’t want the author of posts to respond to comments, a suggestion I would find wildly stupid, counterproductive and offensive.
(4) Rick didn’t say Kos tried to remove his comment from his blog, he said he tried to remove it from the Internet, which implies sources other than his blog. And again, this statement was not made in his post, but only in a response to a commenter.
(5) Even if Rick had made a mistake, the presence of a mistake is no evidence at all of the lack of fact checking. It’s childish propaganda to suggest otherwise. Huge news organizations like the Times and Post employ full-time fact checkers and yet still make mistakes every day. You, Nikolay, also make them.
I’d also like to point out that the proper way to prove the Daily Kos isn’t a hate site is to give evidence that it’s full of love, not to prove that some other site is a hate site. The latter is the tactic relied upon in the USSR to deal with critics, a tactic that drove the USSR into oblivion. Just because Michelle Malkin is a hate site (it isn’t) doesn’t prove the Daily Kos isn’t, nor does it mean that Malkin couldn’t criticize Kos as being one. Just because I’ve fought in war doesn’t mean I can’t criticize others for doing so. In fact, those who’ve been there may be the most reliable critics that exist.
Moreover, as Rick correctly points out, the terms being used are totally meaningless. Rick states: “Hence, his idea of just what constitutes ‘hate speech’ could very well mean one thing in one context and an entirely different thing in another.” Indeed so. Was it wrong for Martin Luther King to hate the KKK and want to eradicate it? Is it wrong for me to hate the Putin administration in Russia, or Josef Stalin? Can any sane person suggest that Mr. Greenwald’s comments are full of love and human understanding?
It’s just my opinion, Nikolay, but I don’t believe your comments are so motivated.
6:55 am
I did not announce it as a revelation, I merely pointed out that Rick made two basic mistakes (and one nasty insult) in two sentences.
You mean, Rick should just make stuff up in the comment section? That’s pretty high standards you have for him. How can you even have a discussion, when the facts are not expected to be correct?
Then, again, this is not just some minor thing, this “screw them” is a central item in the Right’s “Kos [despite serving in the army for 3 years himself] hates the troops” mythology, so one would expect Rick not to be ignorant about the facts here.
You mean DailyKos is not on the internet? Is this some kind of joke? You mean Kos somehow deletes this comment from other sites, but couldn’t delete it from his own?
Rick just made this up, there’s no way of spinning this. You think that it’s a minor mistake, I think that it’s not.
You miss all the Greenwald’s argument. He has no problem with Malkin site spewing hate. In fact, since he’s obviously a Democratic partisan, he very much likes Malkin destroying GOP party into oblivion. What he has problems with is attempts by some to “regulate the discourse”.
This is all a story because of O’Reilly’s attempts to sabotage YearlyKos convention. Nobody on the left tried to prevent GOP from associating itself with crazies and death cults. Let them do it, and let the voters kick them out for it.
When some ignorant (he still doesn’t understand that Pope is a primate) moron like O’Reilly tries to dictate to others what’s acceptable, that stinks and should be rebuked, and that’s what’s Greenwald is doing.
7:56 am
An interesting take, Nicolay, since Greenwald and his band of sock-puppets do little other than scan Instapundit on an hourly basis & then attempt to “one-up” his posts by parlaying how unacceptable they are. Other than not realizing his entire online being and the premise of his cause, you got it nailed, though.
10:44 am
I am a liberal democrat who disagrees with Michelle on almost everything she posts. That being said, to call her site a “hate site” is completely ridiculous. I enjoy reading her blog because I find it interesting to read about the opinions of folks who feel different than I do, plus I respect Michelle for her knowledge on politics and current events. Her site is a lot less controversial than some so-called “liberal” blogs.
The hateful people are usually the posters, who seem to view the world in terms of liberal vs. conservation and rarely try to find a common ground, or recognize that there are many shades of gray.
11:17 am
[...] Yesterday, Rick Moran at the Nut House took on the issue of comments on blogs – A RESPONSE TO GLENN GREENWALD [...]
3:22 pm
Rick says: “These posts were not “cherry picked” comments as inferred by Mr. Greenwald, although Mr. O’Reilly evidently used that tactic when confronting a spokeman for Senator Clinton.”
Rick, I think it’s clear that you don’t think cherry picking comments is cool and that you don’t like the fact that O’Reilly is cherry picking comments in order to attack the DailyKos.
My question is, if you’re willing to admit that O’Reilly is cherry picking comments in order to smear DailyKos, then why not openly condemn the practice and demand that O’Reilly stop doing it?
For that matter, why isn’t your boss, Michelle Malkin demanding that O’Reilly stop cherry picking comments in order to support his smear campaign?
It seems to me that cherry picking comments left on any political site, in order to smear that site as a hate site or whatever, is a lame tactic that should be rejected by all sides whenever someone tries to do it. You and Michelle should do the right thing and tell O’Reilly to knock it off.
4:40 pm
Does Malkin still have a link to the white supremacist V-Dare site on her blog?
That alone qualifies her for hater status…never mind her approval of race-based concentration camps, publishing names and addresses of war protestors etc.
Sorry dude, but Greenwald has your number on this one…and so has “Sadly No”, as usual…
http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/6593.html
““But…but…but… People I regularly call ‘unhinged treasonous moonbats’ are mean to me! Waaahhh! ”
4:45 pm
If the comments on Malkin’s site are in fact moderated, I’d hate to see the ones that don’t make it to the screen.
6:38 pm
As you were composing this defense of Malkin’s blog – that anyone can define hate speech to their own ends and that it’s easy to take things out of context – did it dawn on you that these same rules apply to DailyKos? Did it also dawn on you that this might be Greenwald’s point? Nah, probably not.
“Muslims go home,” a jest . . . that IS a good one. No better way to break the ice and bring smiles to the faces of a group of Muslims than with that ol’ jest. Especially in a group of righties, nothing will make a Muslim feel more at home than someone shouting, “Muslims go home!”
9:32 pm
Nick:
Since you won’t give me a real email address, you’ll have to be dealt with in public.
nick wrote:
“as Mr. Greenwald inferred”
Mr. Greenwald implied, you inferred.
Get a dictionary.
Here’s the dictionary you suggested I get:
Main Entry: in·fer—compare IMPLY
Function: verb
Pronunciation: in-’f&r
Inflected Form(s): in·ferred ; in·fer·ring
Etymology: Middle French or Latin; Middle French inferer, from Latin inferre, literally, to carry or bring into, from in- + ferre to carry—more at BEAR
transitive senses
1 : to derive as a conclusion from facts or premises
2 : GUESS , SURMISE
3 a : to involve as a normal outcome of thought b : to point out : INDICATE
4 : SUGGEST , HINT
intransitive senses : to draw inferences
As you can see, either implied or inferred is acceptable usage, as Greenwald “suggested” those comments were cherry picked.
I may need to get a dictionary. Too bad you don’t even know what one is.
9:39 am
[...]  Note: Rick Moran says the following The problem for Mr. Greenwald is that in his eagerness to smear Michelle Malkin and her blogs, he neglected to mention the elementary fact that Malkin never said anything about the DailyKos commenters on The Factor show that she hosted. Instead, Malkin highlighted remarks by Kos himself (“I feel nothing over the death of mercenaries [sic]. They aren’t in Iraq because of orders, or because they are there trying to help the people make Iraq a better place. They are there to wage war for profit. Screw them.â€) as well as those diarists who were featured or recommended. These posts were not “cherry picked†comments as inferred by Mr. Greenwald, although Mr. O’Reilly evidently used that tactic when confronting a spokesman for Senator Clinton. [...]
10:13 am
Rick,
Michelle keeps on calling me a moonbat. I find that hateful. What can I do to make it stop?
10:58 am
Some people prefer pills. If it was me, I’d get in a nice hot tub and just open the old veins.
In a pinch, you can hold your breath I suppose…
4:34 pm
I guess your site will be categorized as a sarcastical hate site :).
But seriously, why does she hate ‘moonbats’ so much?
7:43 pm
Katy (#25) –
I, like you, am a proud liberal, but you’ve misunderstood the disagreement here. This started because right-wingers like O’Reilly and Malkin started calling DailyKos a hate site because of a few cherry-picked comments out of hundreds of thousands on one of the highest-traffic sites on the web. By their own standard, O’Reilly’s blog and Malkin’s sites are hate sites.
However, Greenwald has explicitly said that he doesn’t believe that standard (that a few deranged comments on a website qualify it as a hate site). But I saw O’Reilly and Malkin the other night. She might not have said outright that DailyKos was a hate site, but she did agree with O’Reilly that site owners have a responsibility to keep out the crazies, and if they don’t then they should be tarred and feathered for it.
Liberals are merely applying Malkin’s and O’Reilly’s standards against them. Unfortunately, as you can see from the comments here, they don’t get it.
8:54 pm
“Muslim’s go home” isn’t hate speech? So I guess “Mexican’s go home” is fine and “Blacks go home” is no big deal either. Of course we all know your boss is a fan of the Japanese internments, so I guess “Japanese go home” is ok too.
10:41 pm
“Some people prefer pills. If it was me, I’d get in a nice hot tub and just open the old veins.
In a pinch, you can hold your breath I suppose…”
Oh very nice; nothing hateful about that was there? You hypocrite.
11:09 pm
” “Muslims go home†may prove the ignorance of the commenter but it hardly rises to the level of a hanging offense.” ”
Sorry? Didn’t you just explain that it only need to rise to the level of violating the ToS?
Didn’t you also just make a point of mocking Greenwald for redefining standards to suit his argument?
“They are borderline and perhaps my sense of their propriety would be different on another day.”
What are we thinking would cross that border? Jews go home?
“Context is everything and taking a comment out of a thread and holding it up as an example of “hate speech†is, as Greenwald himself says, unfair.”
Well no, it would be unfair only if that context altered the meaning of the post.
I would hate to think that MuslimsGoHomeGuy’s been unfairly portrayed as bigoted PoS here. Provide some context that put’s him in a better light.
Or quit pretending comments like this are something other than what they are.
7:16 pm
Pure nonsense. The comments on Hotair has been open for years. The comments are not just “Muslims go home”. They even regulraly include every kind of vile violence against Muslims—including bombings and nuking religious sites like Mecca. And this is not just by the people who post comments on the site—AllahPundit—the blogger himself on the site—has made similar statements.
6:42 pm
[...] Phoenix Woman has also decided that I am a purveyor of hate speech and refers to me as Michelle Malkin’s “good friend”. I suppose she makes this allusion, because Michelle regularly gets accused of being such by the left-nuts. Of course, Michelle, unlike me, gets hate mail from left-nuts making lewd references to her race, religion, sexual practices, etc. Rick Moran and she are accused of allowing hate filled comments on her blog by readers. Not that one might not slip through now and then. But, they are usually on top of monitoring what is allowed as offensive comments go. But, again, I am digressing. [...]
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Better late, than…
Should soldiers be making more money? I think so! But that doesn’t make defense contractors inheriently EVIL. Also, some civilian contractors actually have special forces backgrounds. If I have a contractor who is an ex-SEAL or ex-Delta, has decades of experience, and knows almost all there is to know about counterterrorism and CQB …
You’re telling me he should be making the same, or LESS, than a kid just out of basic?
Nop. GI’s should be merit payed the same as they’d make as contractors, e.g. ~$30K/mo tax-free. America would never again have a war.
America may not stop its war-a-teering because it can well afford the dead & wounded bodies – it most certainly will because it can’t afford the cash, depending on the ROI.